There is "one", (a God) that could predict and know everything from beginning to end...?

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The bible states that He will say yes whenever you pray and believe. What is with the " what ifs" and the "if it's his wills"?

Anything you ask in my name.......whatsoever ye ask....... There were no ifs or excepts mentioned.....so why are we putting them there?
Having faith, and that may mean you have to be sure like you said/say... I guess it's just hard for me to be sure sometimes, but if you can then awesome...

I just have trouble with that sometimes I guess... I know a thing can or might happen, but am all to often not "sure" it will...

Perhaps that is a lack of faith on my part IDK...?

God Bless!
 
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Yes, I'll have to admit that after that post about a video game or video games, that I pondered that as well, so maybe we do have some measure of choice and their is choice involved, within the limits of the program at least, and just like you can take multiple certain paths to the same ending, it could be like that here also...

Perhaps my thinking was to linear, thinking their was only one path, but it's kind of hard to think of or comprehend otherwise, but there very could be many more paths, and probably is actually; multiple different paths, within the program... And some video games are or can be designed to have different alternate endings also, based on your choices in the game... And then, they can be designed like a choose your own adventure book, to where you reach the end or ending earlier (in time) or later on (in time) also... And things could be like that here also, all within the program and all of them God knows of of course...

I wonder if our reality is that way, in a way, and maybe why Jesus didn't know the exact time or the hour...?

God Bless!
I mean God designed it all like one would design a video game, and so knows all possible outcomes, paths, choices, all of that, and can work within the framework of it/them all correct...?

I think my thinking was to linear before this, I think that has changed now...

But, on the other hand, if God the Son "did not know the exact time and or/hour", but God the Father did/does from the very beginning...? Does God the Father already know how we all will "play the game" so to speak, or choose, long before we even chose or choose...?

And if so, then how can we make a choice, or how could it not all be pretty linear, and there be only "one way or one path" that it can all go, from God the Father's perspective or point of view...?

God Bless!
 
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Yes, I'll have to admit that after that post about a video game or video games, that I pondered that as well, so maybe we do have some measure of choice and their is choice involved, within the limits of the program at least, and just like you can take multiple certain paths to the same ending, it could be like that here also...

Perhaps my thinking was to linear, thinking their was only one path, but it's kind of hard to think of or comprehend otherwise, but there very could be many more paths, and probably is actually; multiple different paths, within the program... And some video games are or can be designed to have different alternate endings also, based on your choices in the game... And then, they can be designed like a choose your own adventure book, to where you reach the end or ending earlier (in time) or later on (in time) also... And things could be like that here also, all within the program and all of them God knows of of course...

I wonder if our reality is that way, in a way, and maybe why Jesus didn't know the exact time or the hour...?

God Bless!
maybe it's both maybe God and humans alike have free reign to choose what they want the only difference God chose the way everything would be set in motion. Will even Heaven last forever?
 
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maybe it's both maybe God and humans alike have free reign to choose what they want the only difference God chose the way everything would be set in motion. Will even Heaven last forever?
I don't know...?

God Bless!
 
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Yes, I'll have to admit that after that post about a video game or video games, that I pondered that as well, so maybe we do have some measure of choice and their is choice involved, within the limits of the program at least, and just like you can take multiple certain paths to the same ending, it could be like that here also...

Perhaps my thinking was to linear, thinking their was only one path, but it's kind of hard to think of or comprehend otherwise, but there very could be many more paths, and probably is actually; multiple different paths, within the program... And some video games are or can be designed to have different alternate endings also, based on your choices in the game... And then, they can be designed like a choose your own adventure book, to where you reach the end or ending earlier (in time) or later on (in time) also... And things could be like that here also, all within the program and all of them God knows of of course...

I wonder if our reality is that way, in a way, and maybe why Jesus didn't know the exact time or the hour...?

God Bless!

One thing is certain, choice is no illusion.

Consider that the Father Created “through” the Son.

This means the two trees were placed in a bell jar of time and the Son did so, and most likely choosing to not know the outcome, yet God the Father had pre ordained reconciliation through the Son, and most likely chose to not know the outcome either. God ensured sincere choice and individual expression of every human being was/is 100% genuine.

This makes choice and reconciliation top priorities to God. Love is God’s top priority and sincere Love to boot!

Also, God tempts no one, and this shows the enemy that chose to tempt, chose his own path. Satan wasn’t created to be a problem, but chose to become one.

This vindicates that God did everything justly and vindicates that not only is choice valid, but that God ensured that every souls identity is genuine.
 
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One thing is certain, choice is no illusion.

Consider that the Father Created “through” the Son.

This means the two trees were placed in a bell jar of time and the Son did so, and most likely choosing to not know the outcome, yet God the Father had pre ordained reconciliation through the Son.

This makes choice and reconciliation top priorities to God. Love is God’s top priority and sincere Love to boot!

Also, God tempts no one, and this shows the enemy that chose to tempt, chose his own path. Satan wasn’t created to be a problem, but chose to become one.

This vindicates that God did everything justly and vindicates that not only is choice valid, but that God ensured that every souls identity is genuine.
I mean God designed it all like one would design a video game, and so knows all possible outcomes, paths, choices, all of that, and can work within the framework of it/them all correct...?

I think my thinking was to linear before this, I think that has changed now...

But, on the other hand, if God the Son "did not know the exact time and or/hour", but God the Father did/does from the very beginning...? Does God the Father already know how we all will "play the game" so to speak, or choose, long before we even chose or choose...?

And if so, then how can we make a choice, or how could it not all be pretty linear, and there be only "one way or one path" that it can all go, from God the Father's perspective or point of view...?

God Bless!

I wonder if God the Son knew all about the game, all it's program, possibilities all of that, knew how it would all end possibly, knew the program, but didn't know how we all choose how to "play the game"... But the Father always did, does and has, always, but the Son maybe did not, but knew all about the program, but not how we would "play the game" maybe...?

God Bless!
 
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I think your first statement was correct. God is an all powerful all knowing God who knew the outcome of everything before he even began to create. Or maybe "all knowledge" is merely at his fingertips as in within His "body" or something of the sort and if he wants to look at a blueprint to the universe it is displayed before him front to back inside out as deeply as he sees fit. Because wouldn't everything else be useless information flying around to the conscious God? Maybe maybe not. I wouldn't even begin to know how the mind of God works in this flesh.
 
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I think your first statement was correct. God is an all powerful all knowing God who knew the outcome of everything before he even began to create. Or maybe "all knowledge" is merely at his fingertips as in within His "body" or something of the sort and if he wants to look at a blueprint to the universe it is displayed before him front to back inside out as deeply as he sees fit. Because wouldn't everything else be useless information flying around to the conscious God? Maybe maybe not. I wouldn't even begin to know how the mind of God works in this flesh.
Yes, I'm having trouble with it now as well, considering all the possibilities...

God Bless!
 
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I mean God designed it all like one would design a video game, and so knows all possible outcomes, paths, choices, all of that, and can work within the framework of it/them all correct...?

I think my thinking was to linear before this, I think that has changed now...

But, on the other hand, if God the Son "did not know the exact time and or/hour", but God the Father did/does from the very beginning...? Does God the Father already know how we all will "play the game" so to speak, or choose, long before we even chose or choose...?

And if so, then how can we make a choice, or how could it not all be pretty linear, and there be only "one way or one path" that it can all go, from God the Father's perspective or point of view...?

God Bless!
What if......after creating the game with the infinite possibilities.....God chose to forget what he knows and empty himself into the game to experience his creations through creation and rediscover Himself at the end? (sounds a little like the Gospel..but not quite) What if there is no you or me, but only God........ I am the Lord and beside Me there is no other....
 
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I think your first statement was correct. God is an all powerful all knowing God who knew the outcome of everything before he even began to create. Or maybe "all knowledge" is merely at his fingertips as in within His "body" or something of the sort and if he wants to look at a blueprint to the universe it is displayed before him front to back inside out as deeply as he sees fit. Because wouldn't everything else be useless information flying around to the conscious God? Maybe maybe not. I wouldn't even begin to know how the mind of God works in this flesh.

The all knowledge readily available upon God’s choice is why I call it “Quantum Omniscience”. :)

It superceeds linear thinking and truely removes some old stigmas that people have cast upon God.
 
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What if......after creating the game with the infinite possibilities.....God choose to forget what he knows and empty himself into the game to experience his creations through creation and rediscover Himself at the end? (sounds a little like the Gospel..but not quite) What if there is no you or me, but only God........ I am the Lord and beside Me there is no other....

Now that, Sir, is beautifully deep! :)
 
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I wonder if God the Son knew all about the game, all it's program, possibilities all of that, knew how it would all end possibly, knew the program, but didn't know how we all choose how to "play the game"... But the Father always did, does and has, always, but the Son maybe did not, but knew all about the program, but not how we would "play the game" maybe...?

God Bless!
This verse sounds like God laid out all the possibilities and asks us to choose the paths we desire to take:

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"
 
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What if......after creating the game with the infinite possibilities.....God choose to forget what he knows and empty himself into the game to experience his creations through creation and rediscover Himself at the end? (sounds a little like the Gospel..but not quite) What if there is no you or me, but only God........ I am the Lord and beside Me there is no other....
I must say I have considered that possibility, that it was all for him (God) but God the Son, I still think there is a God above it (this) or beyond it or outside of it, and also (at least one) in it, or is a vital very important part of it, that I think that is God the Son, and it really (all "this") could be kind of "all about him" or that one, also...

I think that it is God the Son that did that at the, or starting in and with the beginning, the one that chose to "forget or forsake what he originally had" and "empty himself into the game to experience his creations through creation and rediscover Himself at the end?" But also that there is another God, or more appropriately, another member or aspect of God (the Father) who did not, that is the Father God...

God Bless!
 
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This verse sounds like God laid out all the possibilities and asks us to choose the paths we desire to take:

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"

That verse always reminds me of the scene in Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail, where the knight says; “You must choose”. “Choose wisely”. :)
 
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This verse sounds like God laid out all the possibilities and asks us to choose the paths we desire to take:

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"
Yes, it does, but I think there is one who already knew what we would all choose way ahead of time, and then one who knew all about the program and all the possibilities, but not what we would all choose, including himself at times, within that program...

God Bless!
 
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Yes, it does, but I think there is one who already knew what we would all choose way ahead of time, and then one who knew all about the program and all the possibilities, but not what we would all choose, including himself at times, within that program...

God Bless!

And maybe it is the same One, who take all the possibilities, so it doesn't matter which one you take at anytime because you will experience them all anyway ("For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.")....therefore no need to manage the actions of one life..... Give them the manual (game instructions or bible) and let them choose on their own.....
 
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And maybe it is the same One, who take all the possibilities, so it doesn't matter which one you take at anytime because you will experience them all anyway ("For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.")....therefore no need to manage the actions of one life..... Give them the manual (game instructions or bible) and let them choose on their own.....
Perhaps...

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