Is it possible to keep the 10 commandments?

bugkiller · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
Because I believe that when we are born again thought the Holy Spirit we are enabled to keep the law. Is it possible to love Jesus more than even your own family without being born again? Hardly! How can you break the power of sin without the Holy Spirit and even more so serving Jesus without knowing him?

This is an old challenge here at CF. No one yet has named an individual who has kept the law, save Jesus.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jun 6, 2018

zoidar said:
Thanks for sharing!

In Romans 10, I think the law means the whole Mosaic Law. Paul is talking about how to be saved, and not what applies to a person that is saved. We can read about that in other places (like Romans 8 and of course James 2). What does it mean to live by faith? A saved person is not to keep the Mosaic Law, but is to live a righteous life and not live in sin. If a person doesn't keep the commandments, doesn't that mean he/she livs in sin?

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

This is in direct conflict with one of your previous posts. So what is the truth you wish to promote? Why should anyone believe you?

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jun 6, 2018

dqhall said:
The Jews also have Talmudic laws about how to do Sabbath observance from sundown Friday til sundown Saturday, the seventh day of the week on the Hebrew calendar. There are 39 types of work forbidden on the Sabbath. It was against the law to light a lamp or candle on the Sabbath. While I was touring Israel, I read an English language web site on the Israeli Internet that stated turning on a light switch on the Sabbath is forbidden because it is like lighting a candle on the Sabbath. Orthodox neighborhoods in Jerusalem put temporary barricades across their streets to block traffic on the Sabbath. The ambulance service operates, but the buses do not. Some non-religious Jews drove on Sabbath, but these might be ostracized by religious Jews. At a hotel near Ben Gurion Airport the elevators stopped on every floor during Shabaht (Sabbath). This was because the Orthodox rabbis decided pushing an elevator button is work.

In Matthew 3:1-6 Jesus went into a synagogue and healed a person on the Sabbath. The Jews objected to this as physician's are not supposed to heal people on the Sabbath. The punishment for working on the Sabbath is stoning the person to death as recorded in the Torah. Another time Jesus and his disciples broke the Sabbath by gleaning wheat from a field. The poor were allowed to gather some grain for themselves in certain parts of a grain field, but they were not allowed to do this on the Sabbath.

The law is not perfect as parts of the Torah are comprised of the laws made by men that were not given by God.

And riding on a servant (which requires yet another servant) is not a sin. That is rather odd.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jun 6, 2018

GodsGrace101 said:
That's very good.
But if you ever want a divorce, or annulment, you'll have to speak to your church!

No. Here in the US we go before the government, who taxed the legal right to copulate. Here we have a civil contract with no rules. Here the clergy are operatives of the government.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jun 6, 2018

TheBibleIsTruth said:
Here in England we need lawyers not the church

Same for the US.

bugkiller

GodsGrace101 · Jun 7, 2018

bugkiller said:
No. Here in the US we go before the government, who taxed the legal right to copulate. Here we have a civil contract with no rules. Here the clergy are operatives of the government.

bugkiller

Hi, I'm American and I know your comments are tongue in cheek.

You also sound pretty upset with how things are going and, I must admit, am starting to lose touch with what's going on over there. Reading or watching the news just doesn't cut the mustard. There's no feel for what's happening culturally.

So yeah, we could get a divorce civilly and the attorneys could even make some money on the deal since most do so with animosity.

However, in God's eyes the couple will still be married.
And HE doesn't even charge taxes!

(cute little bug...)

zoidar · Jun 7, 2018

bugkiller said:
I concur. Rom 11:32.

bugkiller

I'm pretty sure Romans 11:32 is about that we were all sinners before God showed us mercy and made us righteous.

sdowney717 · Jun 7, 2018

zoidar said:
Thanks for sharing!

In Romans 10, I think the law means the whole Mosaic Law. Paul is talking about how to be saved, and not what applies to a person that is saved. We can read about that in other places (like Romans 8 and of course James 2). What does it mean to live by faith? A saved person is not to keep the Mosaic Law, but is to live a righteous life and not live in sin. If a person doesn't keep the commandments, doesn't that mean he/she livs in sin?

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

To be declared righteous by God means a person has faith in God alone and not on our works, and it is He who gives life, not our actions. No one is justified to God by works of the law, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 2:20-21 New King James Version (NKJV)
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Romans 7:9
I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

JoeP222w · Jun 7, 2018

zoidar said:
the bible says that God is LOVE, that He is MERCYFUL and GOOD. I don't think the character of God fits the Calvinist view.

I don't think I mentioned Calvinism.

Even so, Calvinists believe and agree that God is love, merciful and good. Do you think that Calvinists do not believe this?

Moreover, Calvinist view the character of God as He is described in the Bible, so that last statement is a canard.

zoidar · Jun 7, 2018

JoeP222w said:
I don't think I mentioned Calvinism.

From what you write you seem to be a 5-point Calvinist. Are you?

Even so, Calvinists believe and agree that God is love, merciful and good. Do you think that Calvinists do not believe this?

I believe they somehow do, even they think God's decree is bigger than His love and mercy for mankind.

Moreover, Calvinist view the character of God as He is described in the Bible, so that last statement is a canard.

That can be argued. Generally, Calvinists have a very different way to understand God's love. It's more about the decree, than about love. Personally I think the Calvinist view of God is destructive and unloving.

God's love for the common man is dimished to almost nothing.

The part I dislike most about Calvinism is the part of diminishing the work of the cross.

listed · Jun 7, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
WOW, just WOW! SMH

Are you surprised?

listed · Jun 7, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Your text has nothing to do with our discussion. I proved to you that Shabbat was in Genesis from the Hebrew and then the English translation. You were wrong. Do you admit it or not? I am not going to play your silly games...you are either interested in learning or you are not.

You only offered opinion. You provided no evidence.

Danthemailman · Jun 7, 2018

We need to understand what it means to "keep" the commandments. Not sinless, perfect obedience to all of the commandments 100% of the time.

In this regard, we are all disqualified (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23)

After searching the Greek word for "keep" which is "tereo," I discovered this:

◄ 5083. téreó ►
Strong's Concordance
téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Short Definition: I keep, guard, observe
Definition: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.

HELPS Word-studies
5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") – properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact. - Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard

Now it is possible to "keep His commandments" in that regard, according to John.

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, watch over, observe, keep intact) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

listed · Jun 7, 2018

GodsGrace101 said:
On the 7th day God rested....

The Hebrew word translated rested is shabath
שָׁבַת
and means to cease and desist. God didn't return to His work. There's no indication of a periodic rest such as the sabbath.

listed · Jun 7, 2018

GodsGrace101 said:
No comment.
And if I were a mean person, I'd report this...claiming that I might be on something. This is slanderous.

His statement is nothing more than failure to get the word left out. Often times our fingers fail to do what their told. So why don't you administer some of the grace in your moniker?

listed · Jun 7, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Your text has nothing to do with our discussion. I proved to you that Shabbat was in Genesis from the Hebrew and then the English translation. You were wrong. Do you admit it or not? I am not going to play your silly games...you are either interested in learning or you are not.

Your refusal proves you're in error.

listed · Jun 7, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
this is getting ridiculous...

No it isn't. I proved the point and you have no where to go.

listed · Jun 7, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
In English for you:
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Did any one see the word "sabbath?" I didn't. Moses knew the word "sabbath," why didn't he use it if that is what he meant? The 4th commandment says wherefore meaning because, not is.

listed · Jun 7, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yes, the ONE thing I agree with you on!!!!

Yeah I do have other things to do in life. I mixed and poured 31 bags of concrete besides other things like eat and do other chores.

listed · Jun 7, 2018

bcbsr said:
Nope, got that wrong. That's not what I said. I was asking questions, waiting for answers.

Obfuscation and avoidance is the game played here. It creates site traffic.

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