God does not love everyone and the Bible says so (Change My Mind)

Hammster said:

Because to be omniscient means to know all things. He can chose not to hold things against us, as in Romans 4. But He still knows them.

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and HE can choose not to remember which is what I keep telling you....unless you tell me specifically what you do not understand about choosing to remember or choosing not to remember I don't know how else to explain it to you

razzelflabben said:

No, I know it happened, I have no more memory of it...that is the point. I refuse to remember even though there is a record that tells me it happened...it's not as hard to understand as you might think

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Amen!

Enter... Matthew 24:36

Fully God, yet, God can’t “Not remember something”?

Hammster said:

God cannot not know something. If He doesn’t remember something, then He doesn’t know something. That’s not omniscience.

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The Incarnation Of God, God the Son, has the fullness of the GodHead dwell bodily (Colossians 2:9)

Philippians 2 shows God has the Choice to humble Himself to be as a servant, even unto death.

In my opinion, It is seen as highly unfavorable to say that the Son of God wasn’t fully God, as it is highly unfavorable to say that He wasn’t Fully Man. It is also highly unfavorable to say He has or had “any sin” WhatSoEver.

Matthew 24:36 seems to suggest God does have a mechanism available to “Not Remember”.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit

How did The Son, Who is One with the Father and Is the same Pre-Incarnate Christ we see in the OT, not know something?

Please consider Deuteronomy 6:4 as you answer. (Co-Council)

The TriUne God has demonstrated what many theologians keep saying is impossible.

Jesus Christ even defies understanding of collegiate study and shows a greater Glory than our most intense words for defining immutable characteristics of Diety.

I am interested in your opinion of Matthew 24:36

I do Believe God is Beyond time and simultaneously capable of binding to time by choice.

What does Matthew 24:36 mean to you, Sir?

W2L said:

If i prayed that God forgive the world like He has done for me, would God answer such a prayer? Abraham pleaded for Sodom.

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This is a fantastic point, and Moses told God to blot Himself out of God’s book of life if God didn’t keep His promise to Israel.

This is another gaze into the kind of people’s hearts that God “chose” to work directly through for Scriptural revelation.

razzelflabben said:

Let me tell you a story and this is just from a human standpoint, God has more abilities than I do.

coming up on 8 years ago, our son died in a freak swimming accident. I was there, I saw them pull his body out of the water.....I CHOOSE not to remember those moment. I CHOOSE not to remember how he looked and what that felt like...I CHOOSE WHAT I REMEMBER! Just as I have been telling you, God chooses what He remembers and what He does not remember. Even telling you this story, I refuse to allow those memories into my mind and heart for they would destroy me if I did...rather I choose to remember the good times, the beauty that was our son. It's my choice, just as it is God's choice what He remembers and He says He does not remember our forgiven sins.

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This is far more than a good debate point. This is you placing your whole heart into Jesus.

Thank you for pouring your whole heart into affirmation that Jesus Is Love!

Thank you for trusting Him and knowing that this chaotic world of pain was never His desire for us!

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, Devoted to Christ, Sister in Him,

- Grip

Grip Docility said:

The Incarnation Of God, God the Son, has the fullness of the GodHead dwell bodily (Colossians 2:9)

Philippians 2 shows God has the Choice to humble Himself to be as a servant, even unto death.

In my opinion, It is seen as highly unfavorable to say that the Son of God wasn’t fully God, as it is highly unfavorable to say that He wasn’t Fully Man. It is also highly unfavorable to say He has or had “any sin” WhatSoEver.

Matthew 24:36 seems to suggest God does have a mechanism available to “Not Remember”.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit

How did The Son, Who is One with the Father and Is the same Pre-Incarnate Christ we see in the OT, not know something?

Please consider Deuteronomy 6:4 as you answer. (Co-Council)

The TriUne God has demonstrated what many theologians keep saying is impossible.

Jesus Christ even defies understanding of collegiate study and shows a greater Glory than our most intense words for defining immutable characteristics of Diety.

I am interested in your opinion of Matthew 24:36

I do Believe God is Beyond time and simultaneously capable of binding to time by choice.

What does Matthew 24:36 mean to you, Sir?

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I hope you guys don't mind me jumping in here, but...

The only way I can comprehend this logically, (and I could be wrong, but here it goes anyway)...

Is that, the beginning of our God, (Christ/YHWH) "lowering" or limiting and humbling himself all the way down to the point of death, before and to this God (and for this God, and for us also): There is "one", (a God) that could predict and know everything from beginning to end...?

began "In the beginning" or "at the beginning" of creation...

It is the only way I can think of it logically, for all else, and all other ways, seem illogical and beyond reason, to me (but this is human logic and reason, and could be wrong also, IDK)...?

But, this is the only way, the only thing, the only conclusion that I have even been able to come to even begin to be able to "begin to comprehend" "it all", using "human logic and reason"... (That the beginning of our God's lowering and limiting and humbling himself to, and toward, the point of "death") started "In the beginning"...

I don't think this makes him any less God, but more is a God that we can comprehend and understand being mere humans... A God, "in time" with us and a part of time for us, and who is not so dissimilar from man, or who is not "so far dissociated or disconnected from man" that he is, or would be "incomprehensible" or un-understandable" to us...

But, a God that we can, and could "relate" to... He is no less of a God than God, in that, his God, his Father before him, (or the first member of the trinity, or the Father God), he is no less than him, in that they are just like one another in essence, or in character, or in personality, or in emotions and feelings, and in heart and soul, and/or in "being", as a being...

In all those ways, they are the same... The perhaps one and only one main difference is, that one is; or would be able to, "show "them" to us", while the other, could not... not by himself anyway, but, he needed "another"... that would volunteer to "lower himself" to the point of our being able to understand both him, them, (and even ourselves), in the process...

But, in all the ways that "matter" they are the same... In all the ways they want us to "see and know them as the same", they are the "same", and that should be all that matters...

God Bless!

Grip Docility said:

Amen!

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we have some friends whose son committed suicide and some of the details are very disturbing to say the least. Our friends psychiatrist taught them techniques for learning to forget the disturbing details while still remembering the beauty of their son.

Scripture tells believers to do the same thing, to have selective memory....2 Corinthians 10:5 Scripture even tells us what to think about instead...Philippians 4:8

If mere man who was created in the image of God is able to develop selective memory I should think it would be a very easy thing for supernatural God and on top of all that, God instructs us on how to do just that.

Hammster said:

God cannot not know something. If He doesn’t remember something, then He doesn’t know something. That’s not omniscience.

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you are making the understanding of this much harder than it really is....we choose what we remember and what we don't...just because it is stored somewhere in our mind computer doesn't mean we ever access it...is that analogy more helpful?

Neogaia777 said:

I hope you guys don't mind me jumping in here, but...

The only way I can comprehend this logically, (and I could be wrong, but here it goes anyway)...

Is that, the beginning of our God, (Christ/YHWH) "lowering" or limiting and humbling himself all the way down to the point of death, before and to this God (and for this God, and for us also): There is "one", (a God) that could predict and know everything from beginning to end...?

began "In the beginning" or "at the beginning" of creation...

It is the only way I can think of it logically, for all else, and all other ways, seem illogical and beyond reason, to me (but this is human logic and reason, and could be wrong also, IDK)...?

But, this is the only way, the only thing, the only conclusion that I have even been able to come to even begin to be able to "begin to comprehend" "it all", using "human logic and reason"... (That the beginning of our God's lowering and limiting and humbling himself to, and toward, the point of "death") started "In the beginning"...

I don't think this makes him any less God, but more is a God that we can comprehend and understand being mere humans... A God, "in time" with us and a part of time for us, and who is not so dissimilar from man, or who is not "so far dissociated or disconnected from man" that he is, or would be "incomprehensible" or un-understandable" to us...

But, a God that we can, and could "relate" to... He is no less of a God than God, in that, his God, his Father before him, (or the first member of the trinity, or the Father God), he is no less than him, in that they are just like one another in essence, or in character, or in personality, or in emotions and feelings, and in heart and soul, and/or in "being", as a being...

In all those ways, they are the same... The perhaps one and only one main difference is, that one is; or would be able to, "show "them" to us", while the other, could not... not by himself anyway, but, he needed "another"... that would volunteer to "lower himself" to the point of our being able to understand both him, them, (and even ourselves), in the process...

But, in all the ways that "matter" they are the same... In all the ways they want us to "see and know them as the same", they are the "same", and that should be all that matters...

God Bless!

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I think most people miss that the biblical understanding of the trinity is for our benefit...it is so we can grasp some part of God that is beyond man's ability to comprehend. Unfortunately many people take it too far or not far enough and never understand that the three are different roles of revelation of the one and same God.

razzelflabben said:

I think most people miss that the biblical understanding of the trinity is for our benefit...it is so we can grasp some part of God that is beyond man's ability to comprehend. Unfortunately many people take it too far or not far enough and never understand that the three are different roles of revelation of the one and same God.

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Else Deuteronomy 6:4 would be a bold faced lie.

Hammster said:

Basically, that’s what I’ve been trying to say, but you guys keep insisting that He literally forgets. He does not count our sin against us. He takes it away. It’s impossible for Him to actually forget. But you kept saying He did.

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you keep claiming He doesn't forget when in fact He does...on purpose...just like we forget the details of our sons death...just as the scriptures tells us to take our thoughts captive.

You often post about things being either/or but with God more times than not things are both/and...just because our finite minds struggle to grasp both/and doesn't mean that an infinite God cannot make them so.

Hammster said:

That sounds like modalism.

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I looked up the word to make sure I understood what you are accusing me of and that is not what I said. You seem to often make posts that do not reflect an understanding of what is being said and I struggle to find other ways to say the same thing so that you can understand. When I suggested we both pray about our communication improving, you accused me of being condescending and so if we can't communicate and you think asking us both to pray about it is condescending I am not sure what we have left. Seriously, it's a problem when a poster never responds in a way that reflects some understanding of what is being said then accuses others of being things they are not just to dismiss their own responsibility in effective communication. If you want to turn that into a personal attack of some kind I guess you can but it is intended to be a general comment to all posters who refuse to take responsibility for their own portion of good communication skills on both sides of the issue.

Hammster said:

Then you have God who isn’t truly omniscient because He doesn’t know all things.

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in your mind only...In the real heart and mind of both God and His universe, He is fully both.