Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

Speedwell · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
Evolution says matter with a bit of luck can create complex biological beings and consciousness i don´t buy that.

Evolution needs to explain all this:
sense of beauty
musical taste
hate love, bitterness happiness.
depression or contempt.
we take offense if someone offends us (heart)
the concept of soul is accepted naturally by most people then they rationalize it.
things that makes us happy or sad. Satisfy us or annoy us.
Sensitivity (like when seeing violent images)
Spirituality, some people just rationalize (in the wrong way) everything cutting their spirituality down.
Things that elevate us (spirit related) (like some music) thoughts of the universe. God related.
How we react inside to people expressions.
what is fun or boring to us.
We learn. knowledge or life experience.
Free will.
And the list can go on forever.

I just keep believing we have a soul/spirit.

What we have is thousands of papers on how organs formed with a lot of story telling, that is pseudo science. You can´t make a computer simulation with the theory of evolution.
Biggest lie ever.
Just my opinion.

Why does evolution have to explain all that? It's just a scientific theory about the origin of our physical bodies, not a "theory of everything."

NBB · Jun 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
Why does evolution have to explain all that? It's just a scientific theory about the origin of our physical bodies, not a "theory of everything."

But evolution needs to explain all that, there is no other thing in science to explain this...

Speedwell · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
But evolution needs to explain all that, there is no other thing in science to explain this...

Maybe not, but that doesn't mean the theory of evolution has to explain it. Maybe some of those things just don't have a scientific explanation.

NBB · Jun 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
Maybe not, but that doesn't mean the theory of evolution has to explain it. Maybe some of those things just don't have a scientific explanation.

You mean we have a soul and spirit like i do? or imply some weirds things going on.
What i meant with my post is that science is not going to explain all that ever. They make a lot of fictional stories with the biological part so with the consiousness part they going to do worse.

Speedwell · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
You mean we have a soul and spirit like i do? or imply some weirds things going on.
What i meant with my post is that science is not going to explain all that ever. They make a lot of fictional stories with the biological part so with the consiousness part they going to do worse.

The theory of evolution has nothing whatever to say about whether we have a soul or not. It doesn't address the issue. Just as it has nothing to say about whether there is a God or not, Again, it doesn't address the issue.

NBB · Jun 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
The theory of evolution has nothing whatever to say about whether we have a soul or not. It doesn't address the issue. Just as it has nothing to say about whether there is a God or not, Again, it doesn't address the issue.

However evolution implies our conscience was made by it? evolution scientists would tell you that.

Phred · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
Evolution says matter with a bit of luck can create complex biological beings and consciousness i don´t buy that.

Evolution needs to explain all this:
sense of beauty
musical taste
hate love, bitterness happiness.
depression or contempt.
we take offense if someone offends us (heart)
the concept of soul is accepted naturally by most people then they rationalize it.
things that makes us happy or sad. Satisfy us or annoy us.
Sensitivity (like when seeing violent images)
Spirituality, some people just rationalize (in the wrong way) everything cutting their spirituality down.
Things that elevate us (spirit related) (like some music) thoughts of the universe. God related.
How we react inside to people expressions.
what is fun or boring to us.
We learn. knowledge or life experience.
Free will.
And the list can go on forever.

I just keep believing we have a soul/spirit.

What we have is thousands of papers on how organs formed with a lot of story telling, that is pseudo science. You can´t make a computer simulation with the theory of evolution.
Biggest lie ever.
Just my opinion.

The fact that you don't buy something changes its truth not even a little bit. This... desire to have evolution become a religion is your problem, not mine and not a problem for science. Evolution answers one very simple question. How did life on this planet become so very diverse? That's all. It does not seek to answer how life started. It does not seek to answer whether or not there is a god. (there is no verifiable evidence for one or many) It does not seek to answer any of the multiple philosophic questions you've posed that you insist evolution must answer. No. That is NOT what must happen. Every time you bring up all these questions you're asking for answers that your religion answers. Great. Good for you. Evolution is NOT a religion. One day you might begin to understand that and when you do you'll be on the road to understanding evolution and then science.

Phred · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
However evolution implies our conscience was made by it? evolution scientists would tell you that.

Why is this so hard to understand? In plain language. We evolved. Our brains evolved. Our consciousness is a function of our brains. That's it.

Speedwell · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
However evolution implies our conscience was made by it? evolution scientists would tell you that.

You've got a quote? Or do you just imagine that's what they would say?

Speedwell · Jun 6, 2018

Phred said:
Why is this so hard to understand? In plain language. We evolved. Our brains evolved. Our consciousness is a function of our brains. That's it.

But NBB was speaking of our conscience, not our consciousness.

NBB · Jun 6, 2018

Phred said:
Why is this so hard to understand? In plain language. We evolved. Our brains evolved. Our consciousness is a function of our brains. That's it.

Evolution is the biggest lie ever (almost perhaps). I guess now i should keep believing this and you in evolution. God bless.

NBB · Jun 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
You've got a quote? Or do you just imagine that's what they would say?

Just search ´conscience evolution´ in google or other search engine.
They don´t like not having all the answers and the consciousness without an explanation is an argument for God so they attached it to evolution for sure.

Speedwell · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
Evolution is the biggest lie ever (almost perhaps). I guess now i should keep believing this a you in evolution. God bless.

A lie is an intentional falsehood. What is the intention?

Speedwell · Jun 6, 2018

NBB said:
Just search ´conscience evolution´ in google or other search engine.

Nothing there which asserts that our moral conscience is a product of random variation and natural selection. Moral conscience,and morality in general, is a social phenomenon, not a biological phenomenon.

Paul of Eugene OR · Jun 6, 2018

EastCoastRemnant said:
Completely agree. The main premise for evolution is continual improvement upward in biological complexity and refinement. Problem is, there's a beautiful actual scientific standard called the second law of thermodynamics that obliterates the evolution farce cold.

Doesn't. In the presence of an energy flow, organized patterns can arise even as entropy increases in the greater universe. Indeed, in the presence of an ongoing energy flow, organized patterns MUST develop. Life, of course, is precisely such a permitted organized pattern.

NBB · Jun 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
Nothing there which asserts that our moral conscience is a product of random variation and natural selection. Moral conscience,and morality in general, is a social phenomenon, not a biological phenomenon.

No sorry i must have wrote it wrong i was referring to consciousness not the moral conscience. English is not my main language.

Aman777 · Jun 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
A lie is an intentional falsehood. What is the intention?

To reduce man's status to that of an animal. I suppose it's necessary since every over bearing authoritarian tries it when they get the power. Satan is the father of lies and Trump is the modern preacher of this lie. See if you can count his number since he insists that the meeting with North Korea is on 6/12/18?

Evols should re-think their false statement that Humans evolved from animals since that is the biggest Lie ever told. Amen?

NBB · Jun 6, 2018

Speedwell said:
A lie is an intentional falsehood. What is the intention?

They really believe evolution is true they are not actually lying. What i mean is that we came to this world because luck was on our side is a complete lie. That is what evolution says that with some luck and natural selection you can get advanced animals and humans.

Paul of Eugene OR · Jun 6, 2018

EastCoastRemnant said:
Evolution needs to to have a beginning which I notice most proponents seem to want to leave out.

Scientists don't "leave out" ideas about the origin of first life. They work very hard at figuring it out. They don't quite have it yet, so we can't say we know, scientifically, how life began exactly. But its not a fair argument against evolution to claim scientists "leave it out". Scientists address it. One of these days we'll have a decent theory of the origin of life.

Paul of Eugene OR · Jun 6, 2018

Aman777 said:
To reduce man's status to that of an animal. I suppose it's necessary since every over bearing authoritarian tries it when they get the power. Satan is the father of lies and Trump is the modern preacher of this lie. See if you can count his number since he insists that the meeting with North Korea is on 6/12/18?

Evols should re-think their false statement that Humans evolved from animals since that is the biggest Lie ever told. Amen?

Sorry, merely acknowledging our animal nature is not a reduction in our status. We are, after all, not JUST animals. For example, uniquely among the animals, we have developed language to such a sophistication we can theoretically express any possible thought.

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