Church gives Blessing to Harry Potter....

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Today at 03:27 AM Arikay said this in Post #20
so, tell me, why is it ok for gandalf to use magic (witchcraft) but for harry to not? Or is it just because Tolkien was a christian?

J K Rowling is a Christian as well.

Originally from The Times of London, late June 2002

Meanwhile, Rowling remains a member of the Church of Scotland and keeps saying, "I believe in God, not magic." She also has stated that the magical elements in her books come from her studies in British folklore. This means she is trying to tap some of the same wellsprings as C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkein and even Charles Dickens.

Last year, Rowling told a Canadian reporter that she is a Christian and that this "seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I thought there was no God. Every time I've been asked if I believe in God, I've said, 'yes,' because I do. But no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that and, I have to say that does suit me. ... If I talk too freely about that, I think the intelligent reader-- whether 10 or 60-- will be able to guess what is coming in the books."
 
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That's funny, I just saw a video where she say's she's not a Christian and she knows that the books/movies are evil and can be a harsh reality for children to absorb. She also said she uses true witchcraft symbolisms in her books and movie also, but she doesn't give out the actual spells because she doesn't want children to misuse them. Her books and videos also lead to websites where children can learn to become a witch. Humm,

1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the SIN of witchcraft...

2 Chronicles 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much EVIL in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

1 Thessalonians 5: 22 Abstain from ALL appearance of EVIL.


Galations 5: 19 Now the Works of the Flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God.

If God says withcraft is not acceptable to Him, where lies the confusion? Aren't we seeking after the Lord and His ways?
 
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Can you give us an example of these "true witchcraft" symbols? and can you explain why these symbols are bad?

Today at 02:41 PM FaithtoFaith said this in Post #23 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=695532#post695532)

That's funny, I just saw a video where she say's she's not a Christian and she knows that the books/movies are evil and can be a harsh reality for children to absorb. She also said she uses true witchcraft symbolisms in her books and movie also, but she doesn't give out the actual spells because she doesn't want children to misuse them. Her books and videos also lead to websites where children can learn to become a witch. Humm,

1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the SIN of witchcraft...

2 Chronicles 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much EVIL in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

1 Thessalonians 5: 22 Abstain from ALL appearance of EVIL.


Galations 5: 19 Now the Works of the Flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God.

If God says withcraft is not acceptable to Him, where lies the confusion? Aren't we seeking after the Lord and His ways?
 
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Today at 06:40 AM Nelzador said this in Post #21

J K Rowling is a Christian as well.


Hmm, your quote only shows that Rowling is a deist; you have mislabeled her. 

P.S.  Satan is a deist.

James 2:19  Do you still think it's enough just to believe that there is one God?  Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror!
 
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5th March 2003 at 07:48 PM Wasp said this in Post #19

Ha, I was sure that someone would bring that up, and I am not suprised at all that it was you!  ;)

J.R.R. Tolkien was a brilliant christian who believed that he could glorify God through his writings, using the unbelievable creativity that God had blessed him with.  If you are familiar with the stories, than you know that Tolkien always conveyed a message of humanity, compassion, and courage. 

If you are familiar with Lord of the Rings, you know that it is not very similar to Harry Potter in any way. 


I would let my child seen Harry Potter before I'd let them see "Lord of the rings' movies.  The "ring" movies are way too dark, way to violent, and are way more disturbing than HP.  I don't see any "compassion" in the "ring" movies. 

From my understanding C.S. Lewis had a "falling out" w/ Tolkien over the "ring" books.  C.S.Lewis didn't agree w/ them or consider them "christian" writings. 

Where in the Bible does it say that we should ONLY patron Christian things? 

Additionally - Why are people so against letting their children see HP?  Yet, they have no problem taking their kids to see "Lord of the Rings"?  I don't understand that!  "Lord of the Rings" will give a kid more nightmares than HP. 
 
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Very interesting, I havnt studied CS lewis too much (although im a big fan of the narnia series), but I believe Tolkien converted CS Lewis. So its very interesting that this created a falling out.

I like both movies.

However, you did touch on one of the things I dont understand. On normal TV. In the US, nudity of pretty much any kind is not allowed on normal TV. But, Unnecesary bloody violence is allowed. Im not sure about other people, but I personally would rather have my kids accidentally see someone nude on TV then some of the almost disturbing violence that appears on the TV.

:)

Today at 12:40 AM bigat said this in Post #28 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=696746#post696746)

I would let my child seen Harry Potter before I'd let them see "Lord of the rings' movies.  The "ring" movies are way too dark, way to violent, and are way more disturbing than HP.  I don't see any "compassion" in the "ring" movies. 

From my understanding C.S. Lewis had a "falling out" w/ Tolkien over the "ring" books.  C.S.Lewis didn't agree w/ them or consider them "christian" writings. 

Where in the Bible does it say that we should ONLY patron Christian things? 

Additionally - Why are people so against letting their children see HP?  Yet, they have no problem taking their kids to see "Lord of the Rings"?  I don't understand that!  "Lord of the Rings" will give a kid more nightmares than HP. 
 
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I believe Lewis and Tolkien were best friends for life, but they did lose contact after the Inklings broke up. Lewis loved Lord of the Rings, and he even tried to write the same types of books as Tolkien, so I don't know where you got that from.

Lord of the Rings is just much better than Harry Potter period, books or movies. I wouldn't have my kids read HP just because I don't like it. They could start reading the LoTR as soon as they have enough comprehension to understand it.

Harry Potter isn't evil. Some people just have too much free time.
 
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Lewis did not even consider the Narnia series he wrote as a true reflection of Christian beliefs, but he never intended them to be so. While full of Christian imagery, they were intended to be fantasy novels for children. It is hard to imagine him getting angry at Tolkein because Lord of the Rings was not a Christian tale ...
 
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I remember watching a special of CS Lewis not long ago, and I do believe that the Narnia series was written with Christian allegory in mind. I could be mistaken, but I think I remember hearing that. Tolkien, on the other hand, expressed no allegory in his writing, Christian or other kind, despite modern popular belief.
 
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Today at 12:53 AM Arikay said this in Post #33

Yep. Its actually why I dont like the "last battle" The last book in the narnia series, as much as the rest. IT was written with more than just a little Allegory in mind.

 

Now why, would that sole reason make you not like it?  That's not fair.  It was still masterfully written.  That's what you should be judging it on.
 
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I don't really like it many times when authors try to forcefeed you their ideals unless it's clearly known that that is what the book is about. I enjoyed The Wheel of Time to an extent, but Jordan devised his own theory of creation, applied reincarnation, and other weird things, and I think it's better if things like that are just entirely left out... unless you like that sort of thing. :) That is one of the reasons Lord of the Rings is so great: no intended allegory whatsoever. People can think what they want about it, and that was Tolkien's intention.
 
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