Eternal Security - Is the Gospel

112358 · Jun 3, 2018

Blood Bought 1953 said:
They did this.... they did not do that.....everything except being “ born again”.... the one thing Jesus said MUST happen...did not happen.....it was where they missed the boat....they were never saved to begin with

The letter is addressed to Jewish CHRISTIANS!! Read the whole thing!

Blood Bought 1953 · Jun 3, 2018

112358 said:
The letter is addressed to Jewish CHRISTIANS!! Read the whole thing!

I read it.....it is written to Christians.....he is telling real Christians about wanna- be Christians....much of the book of Hebrews is addressed to and describes fence- sitting Jews

EmSw · Jun 3, 2018

bcbsr said:
To comment on various quotes you made, you speak of getting to eternal life as if you're still on the journey. Fact is, we who are believers have arrive. We HAVE eternal life. We're no longer seeking to get eternal life. We already have it. "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." 1John 5:13 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life." John 5:24

My friend, the path to eternal life is a journey. Have you not read the words of the Savior Himself?

Matthew 7
13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Do you not believe the way is a path we are to walk? Do you not believe this path leads to life? Why do only a few find it? It's because they do not enter the narrow gate, and walk the difficult way which leads to life.

Are these saving words of life from the Master not a part of your life? Do you not believe Him?

bcbsr said:
Yes, I agree that you're in the seeking stage, but even so you haven't gotten past the law. As you say, "Jesus said if we want to enter life, then we must do something, that is, keep the commandments." Jesus said that to drive people to grace, once they realize that, as you say, "If something is causing us to sin, we are to get rid of it. If not, we will keep that culprit which is causing us to sin, we will be cast into everlasting fire." That's the curse of the law. Gal 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."" To be justified by performance one must have perfect performance. One must be sinlessly perfect.

Are the words of the Savior a mystery to you? Jesus never said for us to 'get past the law'; He said to keep His commandments. Are His words foolishness to you?

bcbsr said:
So go and try to make a futile attempt to live a sinlessly perfect life and discover how sinful you actually are. Those of the faith have abandoned such faith in themselves and trust solely in Jesus to save them.

Where does living in sin, and having it as a master, get you? Can you show us where those who do evil will enter Heaven? Perhaps you can show us where anyone continually practicing sin will have eternal life.

bcbsr said:
Difficult for you to enter, easy for us who have arrived. Not only easy, but free. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

I showed you above that is is difficult. Why do you not believe Jesus? Easy doesn't cut it. Have you taken up your cross? What do you think your cross is? Is your cross just believing?

Do you not have trials and temptations with sin? Do you ovecome them or succumb to them?
Does not sin in your heart which leads away from the Light, grieve you?

John 3
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Why is a person condemned? Because the Light is come into the world, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS rather than Light, BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS WERE EVIL.

So how is it one can have faith alone and yet live in evil and not be condemned? If condemnation has to do with evil deeds, do you not think good deeds brings a person out of condemnation? Jesus said if your deeds are evil, you love darkness.

112358 · Jun 3, 2018

I don't think even you know what you are talking about here. It is really not this complicated. But it must be made so in order to squeze it into your OSAS fortress.

Seek truth!

FreeGrace2 said:
This is a misunderstanding of all that Paul said about it in Romans 6. He taught that believers are faced with choices all the time.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.

The red words are choices we are NOT to make.
The blue words are choices we ARE to make.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Again, the red words are choices we are NOT to make.
Blue words are choices we ARE to make.
Green words is the principle of choice in general, after which Paul gave the specifics.

And this is a choice TO make.

And this is a choice NOT to make.

No it isn't. Please read the actual context that mentions blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That was when Pharisees, who had actually seen with their own eyes the miracles of Jesus and attributed them to the devil.

FreeGrace2 · Jun 3, 2018

112358 said:
I don't think even you know what you are talking about here. It is really not this complicated. But it must be made so in order to squeze it into your OSAS fortress.

Seek truth!

If you care to discuss what you think I don't know what I'm talking about, please address my points regarding Romans 6. I quoted specific verses and made comments about them.

So, if I am incorrect regarding any of the verses, just explain where and how I am incorrect.

Just throwing out ad hominems doesn't do any good.

iow, support your claims with evidence.

FreeGrace2 · Jun 3, 2018

EmSw said:
My friend, the path to eternal life is a journey. Have you not read the words of the Savior Himself?

Matthew 7
13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Do you not believe the way is a path we are to walk?

No, there is no "path" to eternal life. Eternal life is received by faith in Jesus Christ. I've given a lot of verses that say so specifically. Jesus wasn't speaking of a journey in Matt 7, as you suggest. He was making a comparison between how one receives eternal life compared to how one receives destruction.

There are many claims about how to get to heaven, yet all of them result in destruction, such as what you have been claiming.

The "narrow way" is a reference to believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life. There is no other way to receive it.

But, I had asked you quite a while ago to answer 3 simple questions, in order to further understand where you are coming from, but you haven't answered any of them.

All of these questions will reveal the hand you are playing, and will show that your theology is far from Christianity.

1. Explain WHY Jesus is called the Savior. What did He DO to be Savior?

2. Explain WHY both water baptism and communion include the cross that you mock.

3. Explain what redemption means and how it was accomplished.

Saved people have no problem or hesitation with answering all 3 questions.

Doug Melven · Jun 3, 2018

justbyfaith said:
Our understanding is basically the same; except I would point out to you that God is able to purify the soul (1 Peter 1:22) and to crucify the flesh so that the body of sin is destroyed (Romans 6:6-7, Galatians 5:24) and to put off from you the body of the sins of the flesh through the circumcision of Christ (Colossians 2:11). Now I know that this is spiritual language so I choose not to expound on it for you; you either understand it or you don't--see 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (kjv) and 2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv).

How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein?
We are dead to sin, then later in that chapter Paul says to "Reckon yourself dead too sin and alive to God.
The fact is we are dead to sin and alive to God, this happened when we were born-again.
But many people do not live that way. If we would see the Truth of what Jesus Christ gave us we would be uch better off. But because people don't realize this truth, they still struggle to gain a victory that Christ has already given us.

justbyfaith said:
In post #2046, what did I say that prompted you to give your understanding of body, soul, and spirit? That was not something I had mentioned.

Understanding how the 3 parts work together but are separate is crucial.
When we don't understand that we get wierd doctrines like "initial and ultimate salvation" and being saved by our works.
I can't talk about spirit salvation without talking about body and soul as well. For they are all separate but work together. All 3 are saved in the same way, by faith.

Doug Melven said in post #1996:

But God has said He will not impute sin to His child.

Bible2+ said:
With conditions (2 Peter 2:20-22).

Actually the verse you cite has absolutely nothing to do with Romans 4.
Sins are not imputed to us on the basis of our being born-again by faith.
It has nothing to do with our works.

Bible2+ said:
He is talking about the incorruptible reward (1 Corinthians 9:25b) of an immortal resurrection body (Philippians 3:11-14), instead of being ultimately cast away (1 Corinthians 9:27b) as in Matthew 7:23.

No, he is talking about a crown, check out the Scripture if you don't believe me, 1 Corinthians 9:25

Doug Melven said in post #1996:

Because The Holy Spirit was given as a guarantee/down payment/security on eternal life.

Bible2+ said:
There is no "guarantee" or eternal "security", because of free will (Hebrews 10:26-29).

I would not want to be the one that God a liar. He said the Holy Spirit was given as a guarantee, but you say there is no guarantee.

Doug Melven said in post #2001:

A person buys a house and gives a down payment as a promise to pay the rest at a later date.
So the one who received the payment expects the buyer to finish paying.

Bible2+ said:
So long as the seller doesn't ruin the house after receiving the down payment (2 Peter 2:20-22).

Bible2+ said:
No, just as Matthew 23:24b doesn't have to be taken literally.

Is there a way you could make a YouTube video of you swallowing a camel?

Bible2+ said:
John 6:37a applies only to initial salvation.

Then Jesus wasted words when He said nobody would snatch us out of His Hand.
So it is clearly not just about initial salvation and then we still have to work for ultimate salvation.

112358 · Jun 3, 2018

The point of Romans 6 is that we are either slaves to sin or slaves to Christ and righteousness. That simple. Paul is speaking to Christians, and yes the choice is ours to make.

I have cited no less than 50 specific passages, either directly or indirectly. You just dismiss them, so what's the point of continuing that way?
OSAS leaves one open to conduct themselves however they choose with no conequences. That is its central fallacy and what makes it false, unbiblical doctrine. It is plain old common sense.

FreeGrace2 said:
If you care to discuss what you think I don't know what I'm talking about, please address my points regarding Romans 6. I quoted specific verses and made comments about them.

So, if I am incorrect regarding any of the verses, just explain where and how I am incorrect.

Just throwing out ad hominems doesn't do any good.

iow, support your claims with evidence.

EmSw · Jun 3, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
No, there is no "path" to eternal life. Eternal life is received by faith in Jesus Christ. I've given a lot of verses that say so specifically. Jesus wasn't speaking of a journey in Matt 7, as you suggest. He was making a comparison between how one receives eternal life compared to how one receives destruction.

Whether you believe or not is not in my hands. You say you believe, but I see otherwise. If Jesus said the way LEADS to life, then that is what it is. Please don't spread your faithless theology.

FreeGrace2 said:
There are many claims about how to get to heaven, yet all of them result in destruction, such as what you have been claiming.

The "narrow way" is a reference to believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life. There is no other way to receive it.

Again, your faithless theology is on display for all to see. Saying the narrow gate and the DIFFICULT way to life is just believing, is for the blind. Perhaps you can tell what is so difficult about believing.

Because you don't believe Jesus, you have to feel around to see where you are going, often falling in the ditch. Isaiah spoke of people like you.

Matthew 13
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

And no, I will not let you try to lead me in your faithless theology; I do not want to fall in the ditch.

Doug Melven · Jun 3, 2018

112358 said:
OSAS leaves one open to conduct themselves however they choose with no conequences.

We don't believe that there are no consequences.
We just reject that the consequences are loss of eternal life.

For OSNAS adherents any discipline from God leads to loss of eternal life.

FreeGrace2 · Jun 3, 2018

112358 said:
The point of Romans 6 is that we are either slaves to sin or slaves to Christ and righteousness. That simple.

No, the point is that we are faced with choices, as Paul made quite clear.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.

The red words are choices we are NOT to make.
The blue words are choices that we ARE to make. That simple.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!

Another choice we are NOT to make. That simple.

16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

The green words are a general principle of making a choice to someone as slaves.
The red words are choices we are NOT to make.
The blue words are choices we ARE to make. That simple.

But since you disagree with this, please explain how neither the red words nor the blue words are choices we can make.

Paul is speaking to Christians, and yes the choice is ours to make.

Well, ok, that's what I've been saying. The choice is ours to make. Some we are NOT to choose, and other choices we ARE to choose.

I have cited no less than 50 specific passages, either directly or indirectly. You just dismiss them, so what's the point of continuing that way?

Rather than dismiss them, I pointed out that none of them actually say what you claim.

That is the point. For example, John 10:28 is a direct statement about eternal security, which is what "shall never perish" refers to clearly.

There are NO verses that speak of losing salvation. If that were true, then the Bible would be contradicted. Is that what you're looking for?

OSAS leaves one open to conduct themselves however they choose with no conequences.

Actually, it is only a figment of one's imagination that any believer can live however they want "with no consequences". In fact, the Bible is full of serious warnings about such behavior, complete with examples.

In 1 Cor 5:5, Paul turned over an incestuous man to the devil for the destruction of the flesh. Does that sound like "no consequences"? Not to me.

Or 1 Cor 11:30, where Paul told the congregation why so many from the congregation were weak, sick, and a number had physically died. Does that sound like "no consequences". Again, not to me.

Or Acts 5 where a married couple were dishonest in a real estate transaction and died for it. No consequences, eh?

That is its central fallacy and what makes it false, unbiblical doctrine. It is plain old common sense.

And to this I heartily agree. It is a central fallacy of OSNAS that eternal security leads to behavior without consequences. No such thing.

112358 · Jun 3, 2018

Re: post 2069
Amen. 2 Peter 3:16-18 also comes to mind.

FreeGrace2 · Jun 3, 2018

I said:
"There are many claims about how to get to heaven, yet all of them result in destruction, such as what you have been claiming.

The "narrow way" is a reference to believing in Jesus Christ for eternal life. There is no other way to receive it."

EmSw said:
Whether you believe or not is not in my hands.

Of course not. Each person makes their own choices.

You say you believe, but I see otherwise.

Frankly, you don't see anything.

Again, your faithless theology is on display for all to see.

No, what is on display for everyone to see is your totally unbiblical theology.

And no, I will not let you try to lead me in your faithless theology; I do not want to fall in the ditch.

lol. You're already in the ditch.

I also reminded you of this, which you ignored again:
"But, I had asked you quite a while ago to answer 3 simple questions, in order to further understand where you are coming from, but you haven't answered any of them.

All of these questions will reveal the hand you are playing, and will show that your theology is far from Christianity.

1. Explain WHY Jesus is called the Savior. What did He DO to be Savior?
2. Explain WHY both water baptism and communion include the cross that you mock.
3. Explain what redemption means and how it was accomplished.

Saved people have no problem or hesitation with answering all 3 questions."

The only reason you won't answer any of these easy questions is that it will remove all doubt about your unbiblical theology for all to see.

112358 · Jun 3, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
No, the point is that we are faced with choices, as Paul made quite clear.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.

The red words are choices we are NOT to make.
The blue words are choices that we ARE to make. That simple.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!

Another choice we are NOT to make. That simple.

16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

The green words are a general principle of making a choice to someone as slaves.
The red words are choices we are NOT to make.
The blue words are choices we ARE to make. That simple.

But since you disagree with this, please explain how neither the red words nor the blue words are choices we can make.

Well, ok, that's what I've been saying. The choice is ours to make. Some we are NOT to choose, and other choices we ARE to choose.

Rather than dismiss them, I pointed out that none of them actually say what you claim.

That is the point. For example, John 10:28 is a direct statement about eternal security, which is what "shall never perish" refers to clearly.

There are NO verses that speak of losing salvation. If that were true, then the Bible would be contradicted. Is that what you're looking for?

Actually, it is only a figment of one's imagination that any believer can live however they want "with no consequences". In fact, the Bible is full of serious warnings about such behavior, complete with examples.

In 1 Cor 5:5, Paul turned over an incestuous man to the devil for the destruction of the flesh. Does that sound like "no consequences"? Not to me.

Or 1 Cor 11:30, where Paul told the congregation why so many from the congregation were weak, sick, and a number had physically died. Does that sound like "no consequences". Again, not to me.

Or Acts 5 where a married couple were dishonest in a real estate transaction and died for it. No consequences, eh?

And to this I heartily agree. It is a central fallacy of OSNAS that eternal security leads to behavior without consequences. No such thing.

Ok, I got it I got it!
Except for John 10:28, Anywhere else in all of Holy Writ where salvation, condemnation, or hell are mentioned they actually mean:
1) that is not speaking of or to Christians
2) that is not speaking of or about eternal salvation
3) that is not speaking of or about eternal condemnation

Keep repeating this as long as you like, you may fool yourself and plenty of others. But some of us can see. The Light will always overcome the darkness.

Seek truth!

112358 · Jun 3, 2018

Doug Melven said:
We don't believe that there are no consequences.
We just reject that the consequences are loss of eternal life.

For OSNAS adherents any discipline from God leads to loss of eternal life.

I don’t know what your source for the 2nd part here is, but it is not true. God chastens those He loves like any good father does or should. That is not the same as losing salvation.

Seek truth!

FreeGrace2 · Jun 3, 2018

112358 said:
Ok, I got it I got it!
Except for John 10:28, Anywhere else in all of Holy Writ where salvation, condemnation, or hell are mentioned they actually mean:
1) that is not speaking of or to Christians
2) that is not speaking of or about eternal salvation
3) that is not speaking of or about eternal condemnation

Once again, please provide the BEST verse that actually says that salvation can be lost.

I won't hold my breath.

Keep repeating this as long as you like, you may fool yourself and plenty of others. But some of us can see. The Light will always overcome the darkness.

Seek truth!

So, I take this as you don't believe John 10:28 speaks of eternal security, even though Jesus said "shall never perish".

So then, what, exactly does "shall never perish" really mean?

That some recipients MIGHT perish?

lol

justbyfaith · Jun 3, 2018

FreeGrace2 said:
In your last post, you said you'd take Jesus' word over mine. But now you ignore Eph 1:13, which says "having believed" one is sealed. Nothing about "except for the nominal/lukewarm believer, blah blah blah".

How come you keep putting so many exceptions to verses that don't have them?

When the Bible speaks of believing in Christ, that IS saving faith. All the time.

Jesus will spue the lukewarm believer out of his mouth (Revelation 3:16). Scripture interprets scripture (1 Corinthians 2:13-14)

justbyfaith · Jun 3, 2018

Doug Melven said:
How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein?
We are dead to sin, then later in that chapter Paul says to "Reckon yourself dead too sin and alive to God.
The fact is we are dead to sin and alive to God, this happened when we were born-again.
But many people do not live that way. If we would see the Truth of what Jesus Christ gave us we would be uch better off. But because people don't realize this truth, they still struggle to gain a victory that Christ has already given us.

Understanding how the 3 parts work together but are separate is crucial.
When we don't understand that we get wierd doctrines like "initial and ultimate salvation" and being saved by our works.
I can't talk about spirit salvation without talking about body and soul as well. For they are all separate but work together. All 3 are saved in the same way, by faith.

Doug Melven said in post #1996:

But God has said He will not impute sin to His child.

Actually the verse you cite has absolutely nothing to do with Romans 4.
Sins are not imputed to us on the basis of our being born-again by faith.
It has nothing to do with our works.

No, he is talking about a crown, check out the Scripture if you don't believe me, 1 Corinthians 9:25

Doug Melven said in post #1996:

Because The Holy Spirit was given as a guarantee/down payment/security on eternal life.

I would not want to be the one that God a liar. He said the Holy Spirit was given as a guarantee, but you say there is no guarantee.

Doug Melven said in post #2001:

A person buys a house and gives a down payment as a promise to pay the rest at a later date.
So the one who received the payment expects the buyer to finish paying.

Is there a way you could make a YouTube video of you swallowing a camel?

Then Jesus wasted words when He said nobody would snatch us out of His Hand.
So it is clearly not just about initial salvation and then we still have to work for ultimate salvation.

One day as I was riding my bike, a gnat flew into my mouth and I choked on it. Then, a little bit later, I ate a hamburger at a fast food restaurant (which shall remain nameless) and wondered if it was made of camel meat (I was hungry that day and devoured my hamburger).

justbyfaith · Jun 3, 2018

@FreeGrace2 wrote:

Once , please provide the BEST verse that actually says that salvation can be lost.

I won't hold my breath.

I'll give two:

1st, Matthew 13:41-42. Is it nullified when the person who does iniquity once repented and had faith but turned back to sin later?

2nd, Hebrews 3:12-15. Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called to day: lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ (saved), if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end: While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

Now first of all, this passage is addressed to believers, they are called brethren. It says to take heed lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. This indicates that departing from God is possible. We are truly saved only if we keep our confidence and faith stedfast unto the end. Now I know that you don't interpret being a partaker of Christ as being salvation, but I do, and so will others here who understand that believe-for-a-moment theology is false teaching and heresy.

I will say that to depart from God means to depart from faith in Christ who is God. And we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ (John 14:6). If we depart from or lose faith therefore, we are no longer saved. For we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2). So then, since we stand in grace, and we have access to grace through our faith, if we lose faith, we no longer have access to grace and therefore we no longer stand (but are fallen). And salvation is by grace, so without access to grace, and without grace, there is no salvation. Follow it down the line and: no faith, no grace, no salvation. Therefore if someone departs from God by rejecting faith, they are no longer saved. Is my logic too fuzzy for you this time? And do you have an answer? To @FreeGrace2.

justbyfaith · Jun 3, 2018

@FreeGrace2 wrote:

So, I take this as you don't believe John 10:28 speaks of eternal security, even though Jesus said "shall never perish".

So then, what, exactly does "shall never perish" really mean?

That some recipients MIGHT perish?

You might think that you are a recipient of eternal life when you really are not. The word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow; and is a discerner of the thougths and intents of the heart.

As such, God may say something in His word for the express purpose of saving a man who believes he is saved when he is not. God may even show that man that his past experience does not guarantee his salvation if he is the kind to do or work iniquity (Matthew 13:41-42).

Now I believe in eternal security for the one who does not do or work iniquity (Matthew 7:23, Matthew 13:41-42).

The one who doeth the will of God abideth for ever. (1 John 2:17) And whosoever abideth in him sinneth not. (1 John 3:6).

The one who is born of God, and abiding in salvation, has made a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, and hell, and towards righteousness, life, and heaven. Their righteousness increases from day to day (Proverbs 4:18) until it reaches the highest point, and then it remains at the highest point (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9,). There is no going backward (Philippians 3:15-16).

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