klutedavid
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Anyone who disagrees with the Nicene Creed will be tied to a stake and burned.We are not allowed here on Christian forums to have or hold or express any beliefs that would go against the Nicene Creed, so, I have a few questions about it...?
I nearly agree with all of it, and I actually do think I do agree with all of it, and the parts I have questions about I bolded and commented on, and would like some clarification on... As it has been said that some of my beliefs may go against it, and I'm trying to figure out if that is really true or not...?
The Nicene Creed
We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
John 17:1-5-
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have glorified thee on the earth, (or in and among the creation)...? In what way did he (Jesus) glorify him (The Father) on or in the earth...? Did he glorify him (The Father) "above" himself...? or not...?
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had (with you) "BEFORE the world was"...?
Does this mean before the Creation, and perhaps, "after" creation (and stepping down into that/the creation) he lost some of that "former glory" with the Father that he (Jesus) had with him (the Father) "before the world (or creation) was"...? Or not...?
"In the beginning" first words in the Bible, can mean in Hebrew also, "Behold, a cross"... A cross means sacrifice of some sort, could that have been some of his (Christ's) "former glory" perhaps...? Or not...?
Oh, and, True God of the True God, yes, I believe that...
of one "essence" with the Father (John 10:30)
John 10:30- "I and the Father are One"
What does "one essence" mean from this...? Does this have to mean "in every way the same", or in every way "equal", or not...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
Oh, and also in the Christian forum rules is this:
Faith groups and individuals that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God and fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF. Posts that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation are considered non-Christian theology and are not allowed in "Christians Only" forums. Discussions in all "Christians Only" forums must be in alignment with Trinitarian beliefs.
What does it mean to deny the full eternal deity of Jesus Christ...?
Does that mean you can never, ever suggest or believe that he (Son of God, God the Son) was in any way shape or form was never not equal to the Father in any and every way, shape, or form, at any time, or for any period of time...? or not...?
Much thanks,
God Bless!
What a difficult topic to discuss, the Nicene Creed, a simple summary of Christian doctrine. The creed was formulated to combat heresy, an attempt at a uniformity of doctrine across all the churches. I would have worded the creed differently from that given, that format the church fathers chose to present.
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