Doug Melven said in post #1996:
But God has said He will not impute sin to His child.
With conditions (2 Peter 2:20-22).
Doug Melven said in post #1996:
We children of God lack the power to jump out of God's Hand.
We don't lack that power (Hebrews 6:4-8).
Doug Melven said in post #1996:
[Re: 1 Cor. 9:24-27]
He is talking about a crown received for running the the race.
He is talking about the incorruptible reward (1 Corinthians 9:25b) of an immortal resurrection body (Philippians 3:11-14), instead of being ultimately cast away (1 Corinthians 9:27b) as in Matthew 7:23.
Doug Melven said in post #1996:
If you think you can earn God's gift, see Galatians 3:1-3
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
This means that the works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, especially its physical circumcision (Galatians 6:12-13), are works of the flesh, as opposed to spiritual works of faith (Philippians 3:2-14; 1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6, Titus 3:8). For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is not of faith (Galatians 3:12). Also, compare what Romans 7:5-6 says.
Galatians 3:2-3 means that the works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law cannot make Christians perfect. Galatians 3:2-3 is not contradicting that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).
Doug Melven said in post #1996:
Because The Holy Spirit was given as a guarantee/down payment/security on eternal life.
There is no "guarantee" or eternal "security", because of free will (Hebrews 10:26-29).
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Doug Melven said in post #2001:
A person buys a house and gives a down payment as a promise to pay the rest at a later date.
So the one who received the payment expects the buyer to finish paying.
So long as the seller doesn't ruin the house after receiving the down payment (2 Peter 2:20-22).
Doug Melven said in post #2001:
[Re: Matthew 7:23a could be hyperbole]
No ,it can't.
And if that were true, we could look at any verse in the Bible and say that is hyperbole.
No, for it is the context of Matthew 7:23a that suggests that it is hyperbole.
Doug Melven said in post #2001:
Matthew 7:23 is to be taken literally, if it is not taken literally would mean Jesus wasn't being completely honest.
No, just as Matthew 23:24b doesn't have to be taken literally.
Doug Melven said in post #2001:
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:17a means that God did not send Jesus Christ into the world to condemn the world before Jesus' future, Second Coming, when Jesus
will condemn the world (Revelation 19:11-21; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Luke 12:49).
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Doug Melven said in post #2002:
Where we disagree is that OSNAS people think that someone who is a born-again child of God can become a nonchild of God.
Even someone who is still a child of God can ultimately lose his salvation (Matthew 8:11-12).
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Doug Melven said in post #2033:
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:37a applies only to initial salvation. For John 6:37b (like John 6:35b) apples only to those Christians who continue to believe (John 15:6, Hebrews 3:6,12,14), do good works (John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8), and repent from any sins that they commit (Luke 13:3), to the end (Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 10:26-29). For Jesus Christ
will ultimately cast out some Christians because of unrepentant sin (1 Corinthians 9:27), or unrepentant laziness (John 15:2a,6), or apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8), at the judgment of the Church by Jesus at His future, Second Coming (Luke 12:45-46, Matthew 25:26,30, Mark 8:35-38).
Doug Melven said in post #2033:
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:24 refers to salvation in the sense of Christians' present, spiritual salvation, instead of the still-future, ultimate redemption of their physical bodies (Romans 8:23-25). John 5:24 means that a Christian will not ultimately come into condemnation, as in an ultimate loss of salvation, so long as he continues to the end to believe (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23, John 15:6), to perform good works (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, John 15:2a), and to repent from every sin that he commits (Hebrews 10:26-29, Luke 12:45-46; 1 Corinthians 9:27). All Christians will be judged (2 Corinthians 5:10).
Doug Melven said in post #2033:
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Resurrection in itself does not assure a resurrection to eternal life. For people can be resurrected to damnation (John 5:29). This applies even to elect people. For even though they all get initially saved at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b, John 6:37a), and Jesus Christ will not physically lose any of them, but will physically resurrect all of them (John 6:39) at His future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23), some of them will be resurrected to damnation (John 5:29), to shame and everlasting contempt (Daniel 12:2), because of unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29), or unrepentant laziness (Matthew 25:26,30), or apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8). Also, at the subsequent resurrection, at the Great White Throne Judgment, those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be physically resurrected only to be judged and cast into the eternal suffering of the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelation 20:11-15).