Why do you believe?

YouAreAwesome said:

Is your foundational belief that Jesus walked on the earth as a real person

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Yeah. I do believe that Jesus was God in flesh and walked the Earth as a real person some 2,000 years ago. I didn't always believe that Jesus was God in flesh though. That belief God has given to me over the years since becoming a Christian. As well as belief in the Trinity and all that other good stuff.

YouAreAwesome said:

You've said that God showed you this part, how did that come about?

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Well I asked God in prayer one day. "If the Trinity is real allow me to believe it" and God changed my heart to believing it. I just woke up one day saying to myself "hmm maybe the Trinity is true and maybe Jesus was God incarnate". And I've believed it ever since. It took a while for God to change me to believing those facts but eventually God did change me just like I asked him to. I hope that answers your question. If not I'm sorry that's just how it happened.

YouAreAwesome said:

Is your foundational belief how humans have grown in knowledge?

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The Bible is, This special book tells divine concept that absolutely Humans could never be able to imitate.

How can in this earth: there is a very special species with exponentially growth in knowledge among others with absolutely none ?, if they all came from one ancestor ( there surely were many species with relatively same growth in knowledge , right ?).

The hidden message about Sabbath law have already been introduced far before mankind fell ( Gen2:3) let’s look at Rom8:20 , If this book just a man made product ,how could man in that age create such this great concept ?.


Rom8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope


How can “salvation is by God Grace alone “ apply ?

Mankind were driven out from Eden just for this reason: that to keep them to not eat the fruit of the tree of life intentionally, this meant: man surely ate that fruit if they were let in Eden right ?, how could they be given a standard of life that they should obey where it consisted of hundreds of law ( Torah laws ) , which one the easiest to be fulfilled ?

By this standard of life, did not it lead us to realize that ”we shall never be able to fulfill the laws “ ?, or in other word there shall apply a premise that Salvation is by God Grace alone or shall apply the Sabbath law in the spiritually meaning ?.

There are bunch divine concept that lead us to see God the almighty one, the alpha and omega, that finally we surely can glorify Him ( the purpose of creation ).

YouAreAwesome said:

I would say this difference is quite a significant difference. With my senses, I can confirm what I am experiencing by asking others what they are experiencing. For example, "What do you see there?" I might ask, "I see a red ball" another might answer. I would also be seeing a red ball. With our spiritual senses you are saying there is no way for validation i.e. "except it's not visible to others". Thus basing our belief on our personal experience can not be qualified in the way our physical senses can be validated. I understand what you are saying but I think they are quite different.

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I am somewhat colorblind and mostly not identify with color descriptions.
I am amazed when my perception is similar to others.
I am also ambidextrous and think differently than most.
So my perception of reality is not "out there".

redblue22 said:

If I believed 99/100, would you call that agnostic?

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I would call you a babe in Christ looking for a one percent event to push you over the edge.

YouAreAwesome said:

What have you tested and validated? (Specifics please )

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Well, I have had decades of this and it keeps getting deeper. Let me give you some matters that others, perhaps, can relate to.

It is more blessed to give than receive. Anyone who has given presents to those they love knows that this is true. It actually is not what someone might predict in childhood where you merely receive and give little having no means to do so.

Give and it shall be given unto you. I have found that giving has resulted in God blessing.

As a man thinks so is he. I have observed over the years that what people think, the world view they have that reflect their values, makes them into a certain kind of person. And it is very consistant.

Jesus said if we keep his teaching, we will know the truth and the truth will make us free. This has nothing to do with salvation itself. It is living the teachings of Jesus which confront untruth in one's life. Facing these will make one free of fear, which turns into freedom that is obtained no other way. One is no longer afraid of the truth breaking in because one has already embraced it.

This is more but I want to make this short. I have some more that are quite obvious. We prayed once for a cripple woman and she got up and ran around praising God. (No one else there but the three of us.) Prayed for God for material items and they arrived from amazing sources. Lots of those. Is that what you want?

I would like to hear how some of you came by certainty.

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redblue22 said:

I would like to hear how some of you came by certainty.

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How many Christians claim "certainity?" I think we all call it faith.

Dorothy Mae said:

How many Christians claim "certainity?" I think we all call it faith.

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We don't all call it blind faith. Read through the thread. Apparently my less than 100% certainty makes me a baby Christian. I just want to know how to move into certainty.

redblue22 said:

We don't all call it blind faith. Read through the thread. Apparently my less than 100% certainty makes me a baby Christian. I just want to know how to move into certainty.

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Are you certain that the sun will rise tomorrow morning? Are you certain that gravity will never betray you? Are you certain that electricity will always behave the same way? Are you certain that, if it remains aligned with the natural laws of physics, a plane will fly through the air every time, without exception? Are you certain that if you plant a corn seed, nothing but a corn plant will sprout, if anything sprouts at all? If the answer is yes, then you believe in God's immutable natural laws with certainty. They are 100% trustworthy and reliable. And so are His immutable spiritual laws.

redblue22 said:

We don't all call it blind faith. Read through the thread. Apparently my less than 100% certainty makes me a baby Christian. I just want to know how to move into certainty.

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Well, there is something besides 100% certainity and blind faith. Actually neither of those words work on the whole. Seems like a false standard to strive for or an atheist view of Christianity.

Do you want to know how to increase your faith? Obey the Holy Spirit more.

I believe because God removed my cold, dead heart of stone and gave me a new, living, believing heart of faith.

Eze 36:26 I will also give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit within you. I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes. You will keep my ordinances and do them.

112358 said:

Are you certain that the sun will rise tomorrow morning? Are you certain that gravity will never betray you? Are you certain that electricity will always behave the same way? Are you certain that, if it remains aligned with the natural laws of physics, a plane will fly through the air every time, without exception? Are you certain that if you plant a corn seed, nothing but a corn plant will sprout, if anything sprouts at all? If the answer is yes, then you believe in God's immutable natural laws with certainty. They are 100% trustworthy and reliable. And so are His immutable spiritual laws.

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The measure of a man "believing" the natural laws is his making decisions implicitely trusting that these laws will work. The man who gets in a plane trusts the laws of aerodynamics. So the measure of a man trusting God is made manifest in the number of times he obeys God especially if it is risky or costly.

redblue22 said:

I would like to hear how some of you came by certainty.

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I don't "know." I "believe." I walk by faith, not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7 "for we walk by faith, not by sight."

TCassidy said:

I don't "know." I "believe." I walk by faith, not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7 "for we walk by faith, not by sight."

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Probably because we walk by faith, as you say, not by certainity.

If my imaginary 99% trust is not enough and makes me a baby, then my reality 70% must not be enough and makes me whatever that makes me less than a baby.

Never thought of myself as agnostic or baby. Who knows what I am now? Unbeliever?

its not about feeling peace, its about a soul connexion to God. call it " sharing a frequency" which by the way throught the laws of quantum physics is possible - it is proven a particle can be in two places at the same time, and the human brain ( a thought ) obeys the laws of quantum physics. But without getting into to scientific explanation, that frequency i talk about is Love. Everything that exists is energy, so when your Spirit becomes ''in tune'' with God you literaly share an energetic frequency - That is why God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Trinity.

Which is why, blessed are the pure in heart - they shall see God ( Matthew 5:8 )

YouAreAwesome said:

Indeed. But what about those of other religions that also claim to feel peace about their beliefs?

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its not about feeling peace, its about a soul connexion to God. call it " sharing a frequency" which by the way throught the laws of quantum physics is possible - it is proven a particle can be in two places at the same time, and the human brain ( a thought ) obeys the laws of quantum physics. But without getting into to scientific explanation, that frequency i talk about is Love. Everything that exists is energy, so when your Spirit becomes ''in tune'' with God you literaly share an energetic frequency - That is why God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Trinity.

Which is why, blessed are the pure in heart - they shall see God ( Matthew 5:8 )