Does God only ever give us one chance to do His will?

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Let's say that at one point in your life, God calls to you to do or be something specific for Him, like a doctor or a teacher. He gives you the desire, confirms it in a way that you can't deny and then begins the process of preparing you to step into that calling. Along the way, He also provides everything that you need to step into it.

Then, one day, God decides that the day to finally step into what He has been preparing you for comes, His appointed time, but because of doubt, fear, unbelief or other reasons, you miss the door that He has opened for you and you fail to enter into His calling for you even after you watched Him do everything necessary to get you there (and you had struggled to believe even what you were seeing, thinking it was a trap from Satan). Is the opportunity that you missed out on God's one and only chance for you to be the teacher or doctor or whatever else He called you to be and you now have to be something else that isn't as good, or does God open up another door to enter into that calling again later? And if He does, is the new door that He opens as good as the old, or does it have to be less than what the original door would have been?

This has been my situation for three years and I can't stand the thought of knowing that I will never again have another chance to use the gift God gave me or live out the calling He placed on my life four years ago to use it with.... :(
 

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Not really sure where to post this...

Let's say that at one point in your life, God calls to you to do or be something specific for Him, like a doctor or a teacher. He gives you the desire, confirms it in a way that you can't deny and then begins the process of preparing you to step into that calling. Along the way, He also provides everything that you need to step into it.

Then, one day, God decides that the day to finally step into what He has been preparing you for comes, His appointed time, but because of doubt, fear, unbelief or other reasons, you miss the door that He has opened for you and you fail to enter into His calling for you even after you watched Him do everything necessary to get you there (and you had struggled to believe even what you were seeing, thinking it was a trap from Satan). Is the opportunity that you missed out on God's one and only chance for you to be the teacher or doctor or whatever else He called you to be and you now have to be something else that isn't as good, or does God open up another door to enter into that calling again later? And if He does, is the new door that He opens as good as the old, or does it have to be less than what the original door would have been?

This has been my situation for three years and I can't stand the thought of knowing that I will never again have another chance to use the gift God gave me or live out the calling He placed on my life four years ago to use it with.... :(
Isaiah 59:1-2 shows that there is a consequence of sin, as you have described, that all the orchestration has gone to waste because of a failure to act for His success through us. This doesn't mean that He is unable to make something as good or even better though (Jeremiah 18:4-6). It really is a case of Jeremiah 17:10, He has to examine what was your reason for failing (ie: do you have a chance for forgiveness) and also your response (eg: Proverbs 19:3, Psalms 51:17, 1 John 1:9).

Would you like more specific help to assess your situation? (I might recommend using the "Start a Conversation" feature under my username if it makes you uncomfortable to talk about your past in public view).
 
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Your post makes me think of Esther. Esther was given a chance to save her people and her uncle told her that if she did not take this chance that God would find another to do what she would not. No matter what, God's Will will be done.

God will bring about what He wanted to happen even if you do not step through that door. You just might encounter a lot of hardships you never would have imagined by not doing what God wanted you to do in the first place.
 
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Not really sure where to post this...

Let's say that at one point in your life, God calls to you to do or be something specific for Him, like a doctor or a teacher. He gives you the desire, confirms it in a way that you can't deny and then begins the process of preparing you to step into that calling. Along the way, He also provides everything that you need to step into it.

Then, one day, God decides that the day to finally step into what He has been preparing you for comes, His appointed time, but because of doubt, fear, unbelief or other reasons, you miss the door that He has opened for you and you fail to enter into His calling for you even after you watched Him do everything necessary to get you there (and you had struggled to believe even what you were seeing, thinking it was a trap from Satan). Is the opportunity that you missed out on God's one and only chance for you to be the teacher or doctor or whatever else He called you to be and you now have to be something else that isn't as good, or does God open up another door to enter into that calling again later? And if He does, is the new door that He opens as good as the old, or does it have to be less than what the original door would have been?

This has been my situation for three years and I can't stand the thought of knowing that I will never again have another chance to use the gift God gave me or live out the calling He placed on my life four years ago to use it with.... :(

He is the God of second chances, and thirds and fourths...
 
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If you miss the door that God has opened for you and you fail to enter into His calling does the door shut for you?


Rev. 3:7
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

No.
 
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Isaiah 59:1-2 shows that there is a consequence of sin, as you have described, that all the orchestration has gone to waste because of a failure to act for His success through us. This doesn't mean that He is unable to make something as good or even better though (Jeremiah 18:4-6). It really is a case of Jeremiah 17:10, He has to examine what was your reason for failing (ie: do you have a chance for forgiveness) and also your response (eg: Proverbs 19:3, Psalms 51:17, 1 John 1:9).

Would you like more specific help to assess your situation? (I might recommend using the "Start a Conversation" feature under my username if it makes you uncomfortable to talk about your past in public view).


Hi, thank you. I actually don't feel comfortable making it public on here. Mind if I message you privately?
 
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I think God will often give us multiple chances at implementing what He has called us to do. I think this because of Jonah. God told him to preach to the people of Nineveh, but he ran away. God didn't give up on him, though, and pursued him until he gave in. God may do the same for you.
 
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Isaiah 59:1-2 shows that there is a consequence of sin, as you have described, that all the orchestration has gone to waste because of a failure to act for His success through us. This doesn't mean that He is unable to make something as good or even better though (Jeremiah 18:4-6). It really is a case of Jeremiah 17:10, He has to examine what was your reason for failing (ie: do you have a chance for forgiveness) and also your response (eg: Proverbs 19:3, Psalms 51:17, 1 John 1:9).

Would you like more specific help to assess your situation? (I might recommend using the "Start a Conversation" feature under my username if it makes you uncomfortable to talk about your past in public view).

Hi. I tried to post this in a reply once but the page refreshed in the middle of editing, so I'm not sure that what I originally wrote and saved it still there. If it is, feel free to ignore this.

If not, this is what I originally wrote. This whole situation is really complex and tangled up and I'll try to explain as best as I can. Before I was a Believer, I was part of a church for two years that really did a lot to hurt me. They taught false doctrine, taught works even though they preached grace, emotionally and spiritually manipulated me and did so many other things that I can't even describe. I left after two years of being there and was completely traumatized when I came out and wanted nothing to do with God after I left. After I got out, I realized that I had been the victim of a cult and what I had endured during my time in that church was something called spiritual abuse. I left in April of 2015 and was only able to find the courage to get out after going into a place that was so dark mentally that I knew if I stayed there any longer than I did, I was going to end up doing something drastic to hurt either myself or someone else and I was extremely close to being forcibly hospitalized...my mom was ready to have me committed at one point and that is no exaggeration.

Even before my time in that church, I'd had a lot of chaos in my life. I grew up in a home where there was a lot of violence and dysfunction and had a narcissistic father who did anything and everything he could to hurt me and control me. The message that was pounded into my head and very soul growing up with him was that I was no good and I know now that the reason I ended up in the church that I did was because I was drawn to what was familiar...abuse and toxicity. My childhood home was also not a Christian one and when I decided to seek a relationship with God at 19 years old, I had no idea what I was doing because I was never exposed to any Christian teaching. I had also been trained to never question anyone in a position of authority growing up with the father that I did, and when someone from that church told me that it was "where God wanted me to be", I went in without questioning because all that I knew about God was that if I did something He didn't like, He would slam me into hell without reservation. I stayed there because once in, I got so deep that I couldn't see a way out and I feared that God would punish me for leaving.

My best friend and one of my cousins, both of whom attend the church that I go to now, helped me get out and I ended up being baptized at my current church in August of 2015. I remember coming up out of the water and feeling this "power" come over me and feeling...clean...and new. It didn't hit me until about a day later what had happened and I realized that that day, I truly became a Believer...God showed me who He really was and pulled the veil off of my eyes and that I had been deceived the entire time I was in that church...after that, life for the first time was finally what I had always wished it would be...orderly, filled with love...God during this time also placed a calling on me to do a specific thing and made a way for me to go back to school to finish a degree that I had started in order to be able to pursue it and the process of completing said degree was part of living out that calling as well. But things didn't stay that way for long...

I had gone to college for one year out of high school and ended up having to leave for financial reasons after my freshman year. Right after I left was when I joined the cult because leaving college was traumatic for me, as it had been the only stable thing in my life and my escape from all of the horrible stuff at home until baptism day. I had friends, was in a major I loved, had a teacher I really grew to admire and things were great. During the two years that I was gone and in the cult, I was also working as a janitor in a hospital with really crazy hours. My job required me to work a minimum of 24 hours a week with 8 hour days ending at midnight. The cult had also taught or allowed and even at times encouraged me to believe that taking out loans for any reason was sinful and that God would punish me for doing it. This was a teaching that I couldn't seem to let go of even after what happened when I got baptized. I looked for a job that would be more compatible with my school schedule so that I could leave that one when the semester started, but wasn't able to find anything and believed that it meant that God was wanting me to stay where I was at so that I could pay for school all in cash and avoid debt as I believe was required of me as a Christian. So I did.

However, the entire time I was there, I had this burning desire in my heart to leave and a nag in my mind that kept doing so and got stronger the more that I ignored it. But I didn't believe that it was God. Besides the calling that getting my degree was a part of, God also called me to help the deceived because of what I'd experienced and I was so grateful for what He had done for me in getting me out of that church, I wanted to be as righteous as possible and was willing to do whatever He wanted me to do, no questions asked, even if it meant doing something I didn't want to...and I didn't want to stay at that job. For whatever reason, I feared that the desire that kept eating at me to quit wasn't God, but actually Satan tempting me to sin. And my worst fear was that if I gave in or if I decided to do what was on my heart and leave that job, that God would be so angry with me for sinning or being deceived again that He would take everything that He had just given me away and punish me by making my life so much worse than it had been either in the cult or with my abusive dad and after having endured so much bad in my past, I didn't want to risk it. I didn't see that by staying there, my whole life was starting to deteriorate because I was exhausted all the time from doing a full day at school and then having to work for 8 hours until midnight on top of it, that my spiritual life and growth was starting to fall apart because all the days and nights that I should have been in church or doing bible study or fellowshipping with my newfound church family, things I wanted to be doing, I was working. I only saw one thing...whatever I do, don't give in to temptation, don't take out those loans because you'll be a hypocrite and fall for deception and then you'll fail to walk worthy of your calling, defeat Satan, win this spiritual battle of debt vs no debt, make God proud...And when I finally got to the point where I realized that the nag to leave really was God all along, it was too late to reverse what I'd done and I knew that I missed the door to enter into what God wanted for me. I quit my job, but it was too late to salvage my grades or anything else...

After it all happened, I went on a spree of self destruction for about three years because of anger and hurt and I fought God at every chance I got...it was like a bomb went off inside of me and after losing the best and only good thing to ever happen to me after a lifetime of pain was something so emotionally breaking that I just...blew up. I started to get into really self destructive, self sabotaging behavior...I failed even more classes than I did when it all first happened, I made suicide threats to one of my teachers that were so concerning to her that she actually called the police on me, I started self-harming and even tried to overdose on sleeping pills and alcohol in two failed suicide attempts that neither my family or my friends know about. A psychiatrist that I started seeing last fall diagnosed me with severe anxiety, depression, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and at one point suspected Borderline Personality Disorder, but that has since been disproved.

At His guidance, I medically withdrew from the school I had been attending for the past four years (six if you count the years I was gone. I was still enrolled in the university itself, just not registered for classes during those two years) because I just needed to get away from what happened and because the school itself started to go downhill really fast in the last two years starting when my original group of kids left in 2016. Being on campus every day was a constant reminder of the things that happened and what I did and even after what I'd done, more bad things happened...the teacher who saved my life and who I got very close to decided to retire at the end of last year suddenly and move halfway across the country to my devastation, I moved out of my parents' house to get away from the toxicity after my dad tried to overdose me on cold meds and had gotten physical with me on several occasions, only to move back in with other family after a guy in the neighborhood I was living in developed an obsession with me and started to stalk me, even going as far as to try to break into my house to get to me one night when he saw my car in the driveway (he is mentally ill, refuses to be medicated and believes a lot of the same things that the cult I was in believes even though his church doesn't teach those things...he also believes that he is the end times prophet and claims to have "dreams" and "visions" from "God" about me, saying that when I'm "in trouble," "God" sends him "visions about where I am" and tells him to "go find me so he can save me"...that's a whole other post within itself that I would gladly divulge once I can send private messages on here).

I recently had started to rebuild my relationship with God, but now a conviction about leaving my past behind me has me fearing and believing the worst. I fear and believe that because of what I did in not walking through the door that He had opened for me, not only did I miss His plan for my life, but I am also having the callings He placed on me removed from me because I didn't walk in them when I should have and as a result, I can't trust Him. I believe that this is true because it's what I want to happen the least even though nothing else has been confirmed yet, but I'm afraid to find the answers. God showed me in January that the reason I did what I did in not entering was because after all that I had been through early on in my life, I believed that I had to earn love and make myself good enough for anyone to love me and that I had wrongly believed that I had earned everything that God gave me through all that I had suffered...and as a result, I believed that I had to suffer in exchange for being allowed to keep it, replacing the cult and abusive dad with my hospital job. My fear of falling back into deception was valid, but it was the surface of a deeply rooted fear and lie that if I wasn't good enough, God would reject me and cast me back into the darkness that He had rescued me from. I also couldn't believe that God would want something so wonderful as the life He offered me back there without making me work for it....essentially, I was afraid that I was being "faked out".

I remember every single day what I had back there and think about what life could be for me right now if I had only taken the chance and it's so painful that I can't even put it in human language. I tell God constantly that I would give or do or endure anything for the chance to be allowed to go back and change what I did, because I never wanted to do what I did to end up here and I feel like if God really is telling me that the door to enter into that calling is gone forever and I'm not getting another chance at it, that I'm being punished for not believing and that God, despite knowing what I had been through in my early life and also knowing that those things molded me and caused me to think and believe the things that I did that caused me to do what I did, doesn't care and only sees that I sinned by not entering. My fear was that if I wasn't good enough and didn't measure up to my half of the "deal" between He and I, that God would take away all of the blessings and the life He gave me back there as collateral to pay for what I couldn't bring to Him or be for Him or measure up to...and I think now that all of my worst fears are coming true. He had a calling for me, He had a ministry for me and He had a whole life planned for me that included everything I ever wanted...now it's gone before I ever got to live it, I'm not who I should be in Him and I wish every day that I would go to sleep and not wake up because my life has been over for a very long time. There will never be anything as good as what I had ever again and I know that when I missed what I did, I missed "it"...I just want to leave this world...
 
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If not, this is what I originally wrote. This whole situation is really complex and tangled up and I'll try to explain as best as I can. Before I was a Believer, I was part of a church for two years that really did a lot to hurt me. They taught false doctrine, taught works even though they preached grace, emotionally and spiritually manipulated me and did so many other things that I can't even describe. I left after two years of being there and was completely traumatized when I came out and wanted nothing to do with God after I left. After I got out, I realized that I had been the victim of a cult and what I had endured during my time in that church was something called spiritual abuse. I left in April of 2015 and I was extremely close to being forcibly hospitalized...my mom was ready to have me committed at one point and that is no exaggeration.

Even before my time in that church, I'd had a lot of chaos in my life. I grew up in a home where there was a lot of violence and dysfunction and had a narcissistic father who did anything and everything he could to hurt me and control me. The message that was pounded into my head and very soul growing up with him was that I was no good. I had also been trained to never question anyone in a position of authority growing up with the father that I did, and when someone from that church told me that it was "where God wanted me to be", I went in without questioning because all that I knew about God was that if I did something He didn't like, He would slam me into hell without reservation. I stayed there because once in, I got so deep that I couldn't see a way out and I feared that God would punish me for leaving.

My best friend and one of my cousins, both of whom attend the church that I go to now, helped me get out and I ended up being baptized at my current church in August of 2015. I remember coming up out of the water and feeling this "power" come over me and feeling...clean...and new. It didn't hit me until about a day later what had happened and I realized that that day, I truly became a Believer...God showed me who He really was and pulled the veil off of my eyes and that I had been deceived the entire time I was in that church...after that, life for the first time was finally what I had always wished it would be...orderly, filled with love...God during this time also placed a calling on me to do a specific thing and made a way for me to go back to school to finish a degree that I had started in order to be able to pursue it and the process of completing said degree was part of living out that calling as well. But things didn't stay that way for long...

I had gone to college for one year out of high school and ended up having to leave for financial reasons after my freshman year. Right after I left was when I joined the cult because leaving college was traumatic for me, as it had been the only stable thing in my life and my escape from all of the horrible stuff at home until baptism day. I was also working as a janitor in a hospital with really crazy hours. My job required me to work a minimum of 24 hours a week with 8 hour days ending at midnight. The cult had also taught or allowed and even at times encouraged me to believe that taking out loans for any reason was sinful and that God would punish me for doing it. This was a teaching that I couldn't seem to let go of even after what happened when I got baptized. I looked for a job that would be more compatible with my school schedule so that I could leave that one when the semester started, but wasn't able to find anything and believed that it meant that God was wanting me to stay where I was at so that I could pay for school all in cash and avoid debt as I believe was required of me as a Christian. So I did.

However, the entire time I was there, I had this burning desire in my heart to leave and a nag in my mind that kept doing so and got stronger the more that I ignored it. But I didn't believe that it was God. Besides the calling that getting my degree was a part of, God also called me to help the deceived because of what I'd experienced and I was so grateful for what He had done for me in getting me out of that church, I wanted to be as righteous as possible and was willing to do whatever He wanted me to do, no questions asked, even if it meant doing something I didn't want to...and I didn't want to stay at that job. For whatever reason, I feared that the desire that kept eating at me to quit wasn't God, but actually Satan tempting me to sin. And my worst fear was that if I gave in or if I decided to do what was on my heart and leave that job, that God would be so angry with me for sinning or being deceived again that He would take everything that He had just given me away and punish me by making my life so much worse than it had been either in the cult or with my abusive dad and after having endured so much bad in my past, I didn't want to risk it. ...And when I finally realized that was God all along, it was too late. I quit my job, but it was too late to salvage my grades or anything else...

...the teacher who saved my life and who I got very close to decided to retire at the end of last year suddenly and move halfway across the country to my devastation, I moved out of my parents' house to get away from the toxicity after my dad tried to overdose me on cold meds and had gotten physical with me on several occasions, only to move back in with other family after a guy in the neighborhood I was living in developed an obsession with me and started to stalk me, even going as far as to try to break into my house to get to me one night when he saw my car in the driveway (he is mentally ill, refuses to be medicated and believes a lot of the same things that the cult I was in believes even though his church doesn't teach those things...he also believes that he is the end times prophet and claims to have "dreams" and "visions" from "God" about me, saying that when I'm "in trouble," "God" sends him "visions about where I am" and tells him to "go find me so he can save me"...).

I recently had started to rebuild my relationship with God, but now a conviction I fear and believe that because of what I did in not walking through the door that He had opened for me, I can't trust Him. I'm afraid to find the answers. God showed me in January that the reason I did what I did in not entering was because after all that I had been through early on in my life, I believed that I had to earn love and make myself good enough for anyone to love me and that I had wrongly believed that I had earned everything that God gave me through all that I had suffered... but it was the surface of a deeply rooted fear and lie that if I wasn't good enough, God would reject me and cast me back into the darkness that He had rescued me from.

I remember every single day what I had back there and think about what life could be for me right now if I had only taken the chance and it's so painful that I can't even put it in human language. I tell God constantly that I would give or do or endure anything for the chance to be allowed to go back and change what I did, because I never wanted to do what I did to end up here and I feel like if God really is telling me that the door to enter into that calling is gone forever and I'm not getting another chance at it, that I'm being punished for not believing and that God, despite knowing what I had been through in my early life, doesn't care and only sees that I sinned by not entering. My fear was that if I wasn't good enough and didn't measure up to my half of the "deal" between He and I, that God would take away all of the blessings and the life He gave me back there as collateral and I wish every day that I would go to sleep and not wake up because my life has been over for a very long time. There will never be anything as good as what I had ever again and I know that when I missed what I did, I missed "it"...I just want to leave this world...
Awww, you know sister, this just really tugs at my heart, and the internet just doesn't show that, but just can you imagine how if you were to sit down and tell this to your priest at church, how you would be holding your head in your hands and she would put her arm around your shoulder, and she would stroke the scars on your wrist and in that moment that is God the heavenly Father just showering His love upon you.. it's such a wonderful testimony that you have here, it is so full of richness in what you have come through and yet to still be so tender and open and seeking for Him, and I fully get the way you have felt when you said there was three years of remorse, kicking yourself and blaming God for not being more clear about it, and for giving you such a confusing church and such a poor spiritual upbringing .. I get all of that, I really do. But I look at who you are on this day, and what I see is just what I showed you in that picture - you are a sweet soul and The Holy Spirit wants to cradle you in His arms and speak kind, soothing words to you, to reassure you that He is with you at all times even if you don't get to see much of Him in the world all around you :hug::hug::hug: So the words of grace that I saw in what you said is exactly when you said that you were shown a new strength in your faith around January - you know that love can't be bought, that God loves you for being so honest and determined to hold on until He brings justice to you - knowing that even through this time when you don't understand everything about the struggle you have, yet you have put your trust in His goodness. .. and that's what I want to add for you here today if I can, because I see that there is something of a deep root of a misunderstanding of how our failures can separate us from God - that you have some sort of view thinking that He's offended or unhappy because it has cost Him something and so He drives us away .. but it's not like that at all. You see, we have a spiritual adversary that has a spiritual way of interacting with our mind so that we might be inclined to follow the ideas it puts in there - ideas that are ultimately destructive, but when you get that it all comes down to guilt, then you can see that it's all a huge farce, really. The enemy is an opportunist, it doesn't care for justice at all. It'll take any chance we give it, to be a pain or a jerk, to do destruction. There is no honour amongst thieves, and thieves have to be liars too (John 10:10). Whereas God looks at your situation with love and compassion, mercy and grace, and He understands that you had acted in good faith and that you weren't choosing to disobey Him (although afterward confessing that you might have been more wise in retrospect), there is nothing in your decision that was a deliberate sin. By all accords, you had chosen to obey Him because you didn't understand why He might have been telling you to quit the job and it didn't seem like wisdom to do so, so you assumed it was not from Him at all). God has seen the whole thing and He knows as well as you do, that you actually chose to do what you thought was right at the time. Now the thing is that as soon as you realise that you've done a thing that has bad consequences and you have some regret, you're just like Adam and Eve - afraid of God and running from the wrath that they thought there were going to get - but they were running before they'd even seen Him coming to have a talk about it! (pets do this too if they haven't been raised in an environment where they can trust their owners). But if you look carefully at the facts in the story, there is no indication in it that they should have been afraid of God except that they had become untrusting toward Him. They had forgotten who He truly was, because they had received a stroke upon their conscience - they were no longer sanctified. And this is the power of the cross right there - is that God so loved the world, that He gave up His only-begotten son, so that whenever we get into that situation, He's right there with the bread and the wine in His hand, to say "daughter, I can't hold it against you - it wouldn't be the right thing to do. I know all that you have been through and I saw the whole thing. Take this and eat of it, it is my body that is given for you, and take this and drink it, because this is my blood that was poured out for the remission of your sin. Remember me when you do this, ok? .. Sister! .. look at me ok? "Remember who I am!" In that right there, you have your forgiveness, and you also have wisdom too. They're on the run, I'm telling you that the last thing they want is for another person to start speaking the way that Jesus spoke. So they've been at it for 2,000 years, trying to make us forget what love is.. and I tell you, with that junk that spews out of the TV every day, it's pretty barren. So I'd recommend that too, if you can spend less time with devices and more time with real people doing real things where the fruits of the spirit are manifesting (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self-control) - maybe sports or hobbies etc, even just going for a walk with the neighbour's dog and feeding the ducks .. and read the bible at least half as much as the secular food you eat - the words shape our mind, and our mind governs our actions!

.. I'd like to know what your thoughts are like when you have received this, and I just want to thank you for sharing it too. I can imagine that this is all quite a burden to carry when the going gets tough, so hang in there and stay hopeful, keep looking for the pearl of great price knowing that Jesus is always right there looking for an opportunity to be made known through us - Matthew 7:7-8: go and search for that quality spiritual food and companionship, He knows every single one of us - all the who's who's and what we can do :oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup:
 
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Whereas God looks at your situation with love and compassion, mercy and grace, and He understands that you had acted in good faith and that you weren't choosing to disobey Him (although afterward confessing that you might have been more wise in retrospect), there is nothing in your decision that was a deliberate sin. By all accords, you had chosen to obey Him because you didn't understand why He might have been telling you to quit the job and it didn't seem like wisdom to do so, so you assumed it was not from Him at all). God has seen the whole thing and He knows as well as you do, that you actually chose to do what you thought was right at the time.

All I can say is, finally...someone who sees what I see and doesn't blame me for doing what I did. When I read Your response this morning, I broke down and couldn't stop crying. I haven't stopped all day just reading and re-reading.

The second thing that You posted, about God and His forgiveness...that is so, so hard for me to believe that He is on my side in this situation. I have always believed that God would be harder on His children than on unbelievers because while those who don't believe are ignorant, we who do believe have been enlightened....we've been shown the truth and know better and so are held to a higher standard. That being said, I also can't picture God saying anything other than, "All sin is deliberate and intentional no matter what the circumstance or intention...you still knew better and you didn't act accordingly. There is no excuse...". And I'm still guilty of a sin no matter what...I am guilty of leaning on my own understanding rather than taking the time to be a Berean and seek out the truth...there is literally no reason in my mind why I shouldn't have done it right and I know that God holds this to me, too.
 
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Hi. I tried to post this in a reply once but the page refreshed in the middle of editing, so I'm not sure that what I originally wrote and saved it still there. If it is, feel free to ignore this.

If not, this is what I originally wrote. This whole situation is really complex and tangled up and I'll try to explain as best as I can. Before I was a Believer, I was part of a church for two years that really did a lot to hurt me. They taught false doctrine, taught works even though they preached grace, emotionally and spiritually manipulated me and did so many other things that I can't even describe. I left after two years of being there and was completely traumatized when I came out and wanted nothing to do with God after I left. After I got out, I realized that I had been the victim of a cult and what I had endured during my time in that church was something called spiritual abuse. I left in April of 2015 and was only able to find the courage to get out after going into a place that was so dark mentally that I knew if I stayed there any longer than I did, I was going to end up doing something drastic to hurt either myself or someone else and I was extremely close to being forcibly hospitalized...my mom was ready to have me committed at one point and that is no exaggeration.

Even before my time in that church, I'd had a lot of chaos in my life. I grew up in a home where there was a lot of violence and dysfunction and had a narcissistic father who did anything and everything he could to hurt me and control me. The message that was pounded into my head and very soul growing up with him was that I was no good and I know now that the reason I ended up in the church that I did was because I was drawn to what was familiar...abuse and toxicity. My childhood home was also not a Christian one and when I decided to seek a relationship with God at 19 years old, I had no idea what I was doing because I was never exposed to any Christian teaching. I had also been trained to never question anyone in a position of authority growing up with the father that I did, and when someone from that church told me that it was "where God wanted me to be", I went in without questioning because all that I knew about God was that if I did something He didn't like, He would slam me into hell without reservation. I stayed there because once in, I got so deep that I couldn't see a way out and I feared that God would punish me for leaving.

My best friend and one of my cousins, both of whom attend the church that I go to now, helped me get out and I ended up being baptized at my current church in August of 2015. I remember coming up out of the water and feeling this "power" come over me and feeling...clean...and new. It didn't hit me until about a day later what had happened and I realized that that day, I truly became a Believer...God showed me who He really was and pulled the veil off of my eyes and that I had been deceived the entire time I was in that church...after that, life for the first time was finally what I had always wished it would be...orderly, filled with love...God during this time also placed a calling on me to do a specific thing and made a way for me to go back to school to finish a degree that I had started in order to be able to pursue it and the process of completing said degree was part of living out that calling as well. But things didn't stay that way for long...

I had gone to college for one year out of high school and ended up having to leave for financial reasons after my freshman year. Right after I left was when I joined the cult because leaving college was traumatic for me, as it had been the only stable thing in my life and my escape from all of the horrible stuff at home until baptism day. I had friends, was in a major I loved, had a teacher I really grew to admire and things were great. During the two years that I was gone and in the cult, I was also working as a janitor in a hospital with really crazy hours. My job required me to work a minimum of 24 hours a week with 8 hour days ending at midnight. The cult had also taught or allowed and even at times encouraged me to believe that taking out loans for any reason was sinful and that God would punish me for doing it. This was a teaching that I couldn't seem to let go of even after what happened when I got baptized. I looked for a job that would be more compatible with my school schedule so that I could leave that one when the semester started, but wasn't able to find anything and believed that it meant that God was wanting me to stay where I was at so that I could pay for school all in cash and avoid debt as I believe was required of me as a Christian. So I did.

However, the entire time I was there, I had this burning desire in my heart to leave and a nag in my mind that kept doing so and got stronger the more that I ignored it. But I didn't believe that it was God. Besides the calling that getting my degree was a part of, God also called me to help the deceived because of what I'd experienced and I was so grateful for what He had done for me in getting me out of that church, I wanted to be as righteous as possible and was willing to do whatever He wanted me to do, no questions asked, even if it meant doing something I didn't want to...and I didn't want to stay at that job. For whatever reason, I feared that the desire that kept eating at me to quit wasn't God, but actually Satan tempting me to sin. And my worst fear was that if I gave in or if I decided to do what was on my heart and leave that job, that God would be so angry with me for sinning or being deceived again that He would take everything that He had just given me away and punish me by making my life so much worse than it had been either in the cult or with my abusive dad and after having endured so much bad in my past, I didn't want to risk it. I didn't see that by staying there, my whole life was starting to deteriorate because I was exhausted all the time from doing a full day at school and then having to work for 8 hours until midnight on top of it, that my spiritual life and growth was starting to fall apart because all the days and nights that I should have been in church or doing bible study or fellowshipping with my newfound church family, things I wanted to be doing, I was working. I only saw one thing...whatever I do, don't give in to temptation, don't take out those loans because you'll be a hypocrite and fall for deception and then you'll fail to walk worthy of your calling, defeat Satan, win this spiritual battle of debt vs no debt, make God proud...And when I finally got to the point where I realized that the nag to leave really was God all along, it was too late to reverse what I'd done and I knew that I missed the door to enter into what God wanted for me. I quit my job, but it was too late to salvage my grades or anything else...

After it all happened, I went on a spree of self destruction for about three years because of anger and hurt and I fought God at every chance I got...it was like a bomb went off inside of me and after losing the best and only good thing to ever happen to me after a lifetime of pain was something so emotionally breaking that I just...blew up. I started to get into really self destructive, self sabotaging behavior...I failed even more classes than I did when it all first happened, I made suicide threats to one of my teachers that were so concerning to her that she actually called the police on me, I started self-harming and even tried to overdose on sleeping pills and alcohol in two failed suicide attempts that neither my family or my friends know about. A psychiatrist that I started seeing last fall diagnosed me with severe anxiety, depression, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and at one point suspected Borderline Personality Disorder, but that has since been disproved.

At His guidance, I medically withdrew from the school I had been attending for the past four years (six if you count the years I was gone. I was still enrolled in the university itself, just not registered for classes during those two years) because I just needed to get away from what happened and because the school itself started to go downhill really fast in the last two years starting when my original group of kids left in 2016. Being on campus every day was a constant reminder of the things that happened and what I did and even after what I'd done, more bad things happened...the teacher who saved my life and who I got very close to decided to retire at the end of last year suddenly and move halfway across the country to my devastation, I moved out of my parents' house to get away from the toxicity after my dad tried to overdose me on cold meds and had gotten physical with me on several occasions, only to move back in with other family after a guy in the neighborhood I was living in developed an obsession with me and started to stalk me, even going as far as to try to break into my house to get to me one night when he saw my car in the driveway (he is mentally ill, refuses to be medicated and believes a lot of the same things that the cult I was in believes even though his church doesn't teach those things...he also believes that he is the end times prophet and claims to have "dreams" and "visions" from "God" about me, saying that when I'm "in trouble," "God" sends him "visions about where I am" and tells him to "go find me so he can save me"...that's a whole other post within itself that I would gladly divulge once I can send private messages on here).

I recently had started to rebuild my relationship with God, but now a conviction about leaving my past behind me has me fearing and believing the worst. I fear and believe that because of what I did in not walking through the door that He had opened for me, not only did I miss His plan for my life, but I am also having the callings He placed on me removed from me because I didn't walk in them when I should have and as a result, I can't trust Him. I believe that this is true because it's what I want to happen the least even though nothing else has been confirmed yet, but I'm afraid to find the answers. God showed me in January that the reason I did what I did in not entering was because after all that I had been through early on in my life, I believed that I had to earn love and make myself good enough for anyone to love me and that I had wrongly believed that I had earned everything that God gave me through all that I had suffered...and as a result, I believed that I had to suffer in exchange for being allowed to keep it, replacing the cult and abusive dad with my hospital job. My fear of falling back into deception was valid, but it was the surface of a deeply rooted fear and lie that if I wasn't good enough, God would reject me and cast me back into the darkness that He had rescued me from. I also couldn't believe that God would want something so wonderful as the life He offered me back there without making me work for it....essentially, I was afraid that I was being "faked out".

I remember every single day what I had back there and think about what life could be for me right now if I had only taken the chance and it's so painful that I can't even put it in human language. I tell God constantly that I would give or do or endure anything for the chance to be allowed to go back and change what I did, because I never wanted to do what I did to end up here and I feel like if God really is telling me that the door to enter into that calling is gone forever and I'm not getting another chance at it, that I'm being punished for not believing and that God, despite knowing what I had been through in my early life and also knowing that those things molded me and caused me to think and believe the things that I did that caused me to do what I did, doesn't care and only sees that I sinned by not entering. My fear was that if I wasn't good enough and didn't measure up to my half of the "deal" between He and I, that God would take away all of the blessings and the life He gave me back there as collateral to pay for what I couldn't bring to Him or be for Him or measure up to...and I think now that all of my worst fears are coming true. He had a calling for me, He had a ministry for me and He had a whole life planned for me that included everything I ever wanted...now it's gone before I ever got to live it, I'm not who I should be in Him and I wish every day that I would go to sleep and not wake up because my life has been over for a very long time. There will never be anything as good as what I had ever again and I know that when I missed what I did, I missed "it"...I just want to leave this world...

Where are you at now? I feel Good will meet you where you're at. Though you won't have the same things God can give you a new hope, purpose and vision.
 
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Where are you at now? I feel Good will meet you where you're at. Though you won't have the same things God can give you a new hope, purpose and vision.

At this point, not well. The closer I get to Him, the more I'm starting to put the pieces together that, yes, God IS removing that calling from my life and closing that door forever and I can't even begin to tell you how and angry and hurt I am. Why would God only give me one chance to pursue that passion knowing that I would make the decision that I did because of things that had happened to me in my past? I feel like God is either holding what I did against me so He can find an excuse to rip something away from me and hurt me or like I've had a carrot dangled in front of my nose and had it ripped away from me before I got to take a bite. Perhaps I was even set up to fail and lose everything. I knew this would happen and as of right now, I hate Him...
 
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That being said, I also can't picture God saying anything other than, "All sin is deliberate and intentional no matter what the circumstance or intention...you still knew better and you didn't act accordingly. There is no excuse...". And I'm still guilty of a sin no matter what...I am guilty of leaning on my own understanding rather than taking the time to be a Berean and seek out the truth...there is literally no reason in my mind why I shouldn't have done it right and I know that God holds this to me, too.
All of this true except the part that I put in bold.
Every sin you commit is a voluntary act of your freewill. But because you are in Christ, He does not hold it against you. Because He put it on Jesus. Romans 4:6-8, Isaiah 53:6
Paul said in Romans 8, "If God be for us, who can be against us"?
God is for you, He loves you so much, He gave His only begotten Son for you.
I have heard it said that you can tell the value of something by how much one is willing to pay for it.
And Jesus Christ considered you to be a pearl of great price, so He sold everything He had and bought you.
 
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Update: this has been a really chaotic week and one that definitely gave me the wakeup call that I needed.

On Friday, I got the news that someone from the college aged/young adults group at my church that I knew committed suicide. It's a shock to all of us who knew him because there were literally no signs that he was going to do what he did and it definitely got me thinking. Something like this causes you to really look at yourself to see what kind of person you are and I thought about all of the times that I had planned to do what he did over this and then I realized what kind of person all of this has turned me into...selfish-self-absorbed, vain, narcissistic and someone who is so wrapped up in their own problems and focused on trying to make things go their way in life that they aren't who they should be and who isn't there for people when they need them...someone who is the opposite of what God wants them to be. Then, when I realized this, it hit me that after all I've done and because of who I am, God has every right to take everything away from me and it's also what I deserve to have happen to me at the very least. Now that I know this, if taking it all away is what God wants to do, then I will gladly allow Him to do so. Things need to change and we aren't going to be that person anymore...
 
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Tragic news :crosseo:

(Pause a moment)

When we are mourning loss, it is discontentment, and discontentment is a form of anxiety that is rooted in envy (this is not to say that mourning is always sinful or inappropriate, of course). I am just drawing your mind to see how in your case it has been a drain on your liveliness, whereas if you were not grieving your past decisions, you'd have more joy and optimism to share.

It's a cruel adversary that tries to hold our head underwater, and the key to being free in God is knowing what is and what isn't the condemnation of Christ. That way you would be released from the aspect of your faith that makes you think God is being unkind, unfair, mean etc, and empowered to know that He really is justice and that He is for you so that you can put that accuser in it's proper place by seeing it's true colours.

.. also, can you tell me the nature of your studies that you feel is becoming impossible now? I would like to understand why you have said that.
 
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Tragic news :crosseo:

(Pause a moment)

When we are mourning loss, it is discontentment, and discontentment is a form of anxiety that is rooted in envy (this is not to say that mourning is always sinful or inappropriate, of course). I am just drawing your mind to see how in your case it has been a drain on your liveliness, whereas if you were not grieving your past decisions, you'd have more joy and optimism to share.

It's a cruel adversary that tries to hold our head underwater, and the key to being free in God is knowing what is and what isn't the condemnation of Christ. That way you would be released from the aspect of your faith that makes you think God is being unkind, unfair, mean etc, and empowered to know that He really is justice and that He is for you so that you can put that accuser in it's proper place by seeing it's true colours.

.. also, can you tell me the nature of your studies that you feel is becoming impossible now? I would like to understand why you have said that.

Music, concentration in performance. It's a degree that could be used to teach college or be a professional musician in an orchestral or a church setting. When everything happened, I didn't practice as thoroughly as I should have been and was because what happened kind of knocked the wind out of me. I left school this past April and haven't touched my instrument sense. A major like that requires continual care and instruction and now that I'm out of school for so however long......
 
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Music, concentration in performance. It's a degree that could be used to teach college or be a professional musician in an orchestral or a church setting. When everything happened, I didn't practice as thoroughly as I should have been and was because what happened kind of knocked the wind out of me. I left school this past April and haven't touched my instrument sense. A major like that requires continual care and instruction and now that I'm out of school for so however long......
Oh wow I am really sorry to hear of this, as yes I do understand that the spirit has to be properly placed for music to flow.. so I see that a large part of your despair is from that depression of feeling like you might have lost it forever. But I should be able to assure you, if you can believe me, that it isn't impossible for God to heal you of that despair so that your passion for music gets reignited. So there is hope in that aspect! (It is from real experience that I have told you that).

The other aspect, that I don't know about so much, is the feasibility of returning to study.. whether you are able to borrow for that (oh yeah, it is a valid mechanism, ok and lots of Christians become successful through it with no condemnation!).. also I wonder whether the university might have policy that limits your eligibility for enrollment. Perhaps if you could confirm that then I would be inclined to agree with your despair.. otherwise I am inclined to keep encouraging you to stand back up in the strength of His love, and to watch how He is able to put your life back together.
 
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