Is the 6th seal about the destruction of Jerusalem?

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No.The day of the Lord hasn't happened yet.
There have been MULTIPLE "day of the lord" events in Israels History.
The prophets commonly used that term and it's synonyms to describe the event of God's Real time Judgements upon nations.

The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:

Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger

Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained

Furthermore, Ezekiel had foretold of this same Day of the Lord against Jerusalem which took place in the 500s BC, saying:

Ezekiel 7:19
They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of Jehovah: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

Ezekiel 13:2-5
Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of Jehovah.

The prophet Zephaniah also calls the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians "the Day of the Lord."

Zephaniah 1:1 - 1:7

The word of Yahweh which came to Zephaniah, the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah, the son of Amon, king of Judah. I will utterly sweep away everything off of the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will sweep away man and animal. I will sweep away the birds of the sky, the fish of the sea, and the heaps of rubble with the wicked. I will cut off man from the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will stretch out my hand against Judah, and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place: the name of the idolatrous and pagan priests, those who worship the host of the sky on the housetops, those who worship and swear by Yahweh and also swear by Malcam, those who have turned back from following Yahweh, and those who haven't sought Yahweh nor inquired after him. Be silent at the presence of the Lord Yahweh, for the day of Yahweh is at hand. For Yahweh has prepared a sacrifice. He has consecrated his guests.

Folks, here we have the classic "Day of the Lord" in scripture. The prophets speak of Jehovah who comes down and does a whole host of "physical" things. Yet did any one SEE Yahweh do these things? Was Zephaniah lying? This scripture goes on all the way to the end of Zephaniah chapter two, and be sure to note that the judgments that ensue upon the other surrounding nations are also a past Day of Yahweh event (1:14; 2:2-3).

So, the destruction of Jerusalem in the 500s BC is just one example of MANY past day of the LORD events.
 
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Which happened at the destruction of Jerusalem when the Jews were slaughtered and led captive into the nations by the Roman armies, unless you believe that hasn’t happened yet, and is still future?

24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Luke 21:24 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 21:24 - English Standard Version
24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The times of the Gentiles continue as they were not fulfilled at that time , not even yet , still in the near future
 
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24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The times of the Gentiles continue as they were not fulfilled at that time , not even yet , still in the near future

Note that Revelation 11:2 is exactly parallel to Luke 21:24

The Times of Gentile trampling was ordained to Last exactly 42 Months after it began.
 
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The Babylonian Empire indeed was.

The scripture is not talking about an,empire.Its talking about a city.
And that city was never destroyed.
The Medes were just new occupants bit the city remained even after those occupants were replaced.
 
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There have been MULTIPLE "day of the lord" events in Israels History.
The prophets commonly used that term and it's synonyms to describe the event of God's Real time Judgements upon nations.

The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:

Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger

Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained

Furthermore, Ezekiel had foretold of this same Day of the Lord against Jerusalem which took place in the 500s BC, saying:

Ezekiel 7:19
They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of Jehovah: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

Ezekiel 13:2-5
Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of Jehovah.

The prophet Zephaniah also calls the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians "the Day of the Lord."

Zephaniah 1:1 - 1:7

The word of Yahweh which came to Zephaniah, the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, in the days of Josiah, the son of Amon, king of Judah. I will utterly sweep away everything off of the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will sweep away man and animal. I will sweep away the birds of the sky, the fish of the sea, and the heaps of rubble with the wicked. I will cut off man from the surface of the earth, says Yahweh. I will stretch out my hand against Judah, and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place: the name of the idolatrous and pagan priests, those who worship the host of the sky on the housetops, those who worship and swear by Yahweh and also swear by Malcam, those who have turned back from following Yahweh, and those who haven't sought Yahweh nor inquired after him. Be silent at the presence of the Lord Yahweh, for the day of Yahweh is at hand. For Yahweh has prepared a sacrifice. He has consecrated his guests.

Folks, here we have the classic "Day of the Lord" in scripture. The prophets speak of Jehovah who comes down and does a whole host of "physical" things. Yet did any one SEE Yahweh do these things? Was Zephaniah lying? This scripture goes on all the way to the end of Zephaniah chapter two, and be sure to note that the judgments that ensue upon the other surrounding nations are also a past Day of Yahweh event (1:14; 2:2-3).

So, the destruction of Jerusalem in the 500s BC is just one example of MANY past day of the LORD events.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be dissolved in the fire, and the earth and its works will not be found.

I recon you have no,idea what's in store for Jerusalem,then.
 
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24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The times of the Gentiles continue as they were not fulfilled at that time , not even yet , still in the near future

So it appears you agree that the gentiles were trampling Jerusalem in the 1st century, thus it appears you agree the destruction of Jerusalem and the wrath on ‘this people’ as stated in luke 21 occurred in the 1st century.

The destruction of Jerusalem, the slaughterering of its people, and the enslaving of the survivors thus fulfilled the days of vengeance on ‘this people’ (the unbelieving Jews)
 
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The days of vengeance, or day of wrath against this people, are fulfilled at the destruction of Jerusalem. The unbelieving Jews are slaughtered and those surviving are lead captive to the nations.
You are talking about Jerusalem. What is Revelation 6:15 talking about? Everyone on the earth or just Jerusalem?

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
 
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I agree with you, spiritually Jerusalem is called Babylon the great, Sodom and Eygpt. But that is not what I asked.

I asked was a nuke dropped on babylon? Did persia/medes drop a nuke on babylon to defeat them?

Isaiah 13:1,10,17
A prophecy against Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz saw: The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold.

When the Medes took control of Babylon,were those in,Babylon faces aflame?

Isaiah 13:8 Terror, pain, and anguish will seize them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look in astonishment at one another, their faces aflame with fear.


Were all the sinners destroyed in that day?

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the Day of the LORD is coming--cruel, with fury and burning anger--to make the earth a desolation and to destroy the sinners within it.


Did people become scarse so that it was hard to find any alive?

Isaiah 13:12 I will make man scarcer than pure gold, and mankind rarer than the gold of Ophir.


Did the heavens tremble and the earth quake?

Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken from its place at the wrath of the LORD of Hosts on the day of His burning anger.


Did the Medes kill everyone they saw?
Did they kill every Jew they caught?

Isaiah 13:15 Whoever is caught will be stabbed, and whoever is captured will die by the sword.


Were the Jews houses ransacked AMD their wives raped when the Medes took control of Babylon?

Isaiah 13:16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses will be looted, and their wives will be ravished.


Well ,according to scripture that is exactly what will happen.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into captivity, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.

And yes.The people of the prince will do this.
 
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I believe the Persians/Medes conquered The Neo Babylonian empire.

He took into exile in Babylon those who had escaped from the sword, and they became servants to him and to his sons until the establishment of the kingdom of Persia,
2 Chronicles 36:20 - Bible Gateway passage: 2 Chronicles 36:20 - English Standard Version

Also we have historical records on the Persian/Mede conquest of Babylon. See Herodotus.


Isaiah 13:5 They are coming from faraway lands, from the ends of the heavens--the LORD and the weapons of His wrath--to destroy the whole country.

Isaiah 13:6 Wail, for the Day of the LORD is near; it will come as destruction from the Almighty.

And Babylon was not destroyed.
There was no great destruction because this prophecy was not against that Babylon.Its against Babylon the great.


Isaiah 13:7 Therefore all hands will fall limp, and every man's heart will melt.

Luke 21:26 KJV: Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
 
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You are talking about Jerusalem. What is Revelation 6:15 talking about? Everyone on the earth or just Jerusalem?

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;



23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon THE EARTH and wrath against this people.
Luke 21:23 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 21:23 - English Standard Version
 
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23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon THE EARTH and wrath against this people.
Luke 21:23 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 21:23 - English Standard Version
Somehow you are not reading Revelation 6:15. Is this talking about the entire earth or just Jerusalem?

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
 
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Somehow you are not reading Revelation 6:15. Is this talking about the entire earth or just Jerusalem?

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Both, as Luke 21 mentions THE EARTH and THIS PEOPLE . Jerusalem is a part of the earth is it not?

Revelation 6:15 doesn’t mention location, only kings of the earth

But according to the Jews, here is some of who they considered the kings of the earth:

The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers were gathered together, against the Lord and against his Anointed’ — for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
Acts 4:26-27 - Bible Gateway passage: Acts 4:26-27 - English Standard Version
 
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Both, as Luke 21 mentions THE EARTH and THIS PEOPLE . Jerusalem is a part of the earth is it not?
Who are them in Revelation 6:15 terrified of that they want to hide? The Romans?

Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
 
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Note that Revelation 11:2 is exactly parallel to Luke 21:24

The Times of Gentile trampling was ordained to Last exactly 42 Months after it began.


Exactly. And that's the reason the prophecies in Luke 21 have nothing to do with the events of 70 AD, because the prophecies in Revelation 11 don't.

BTW, I think there is another parallel as well, it is found in Daniel 11.

Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

Compare with the following.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Further compared with----

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

That should mean in Daniel 11:33 the many days are meaning Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled, where in Revelation 11:2 we see that it consists of 42 months. The 42 months may or may not be meaning literally the time specified. Something else it does refer to though, that would be the reign of the beast in Revelation 13 where we are told that reign is 42 months as well. Not to be confused with the 3.5 years the 2W give their testimony. IOW, there are 7 years total in Revelation 11 and Revelation 13.
 
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Within seven years Ali Khamenei will have most of them murdered.
Very soon Khamenei and all his cohorts will reside in hades. Ezekiel 32:24-25, Jeremiah 49:35-37,
This will happen: Isaiah 21:2, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83:1-18, +

It will be the Sixth Seal event, that will literally fulfil all the prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun.
 
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So it appears you agree that the gentiles were trampling Jerusalem in the 1st century, thus it appears you agree the destruction of Jerusalem and the wrath on ‘this people’ as stated in luke 21 occurred in the 1st century.

The destruction of Jerusalem, the slaughterering of its people, and the enslaving of the survivors thus fulfilled the days of vengeance on ‘this people’ (the unbelieving Jews)
you have misunderstood what I said just like you misunderstood Luke 21 , The times of the Gentiles have not yet been fulfilled

Just as Jesus said -there will be wars and rumors of wars but the End is not yet
It matters not that Jerusalem be trampled upon as that does not mean the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled
 
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Hold up, when he says that the temple would be torn down, every single stone, that is one word. That word had its fulfillment in Nero when he came and tore the whole temple down. Nero is the reason we don't have a temple in Jerusalem right now. This has nothing to do with seals. I assure you that the 6th seal wasn't broken after 60 years since Christ came. If you knew what the first seal was then you would know that the first seal hasn't been broken yet but I can't reveal the identity of the first seal because that takes too long.

Anyway, bear in mind that that word Jesus spoke was fulfilled already and that the passages in Revelation have not been fulfilled. They are speaking of two different events.
yes, basically -- Nero started the war in 67 AD, it was however Titus, son of Vespasian, who raised Jerusalem and its temple in 70 AD
 
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Very soon Khamenei and all his cohorts will reside in hades. Ezekiel 32:24-25, Jeremiah 49:35-37,
This will happen: Isaiah 21:2, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83:1-18, +

It will be the Sixth Seal event, that will literally fulfil all the prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun.

God is not the one slamming babies heads against stone and raping the israeli women.
That is the people of Ali Khamenei.

Zechariah 14:2 KJV: For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

But yes he will die after his army has taken Jerusalem.They will,be consumed.Even in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:12 KJV: And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

I think alot of people forget who and what is residing in Jerusalem when the Muslims take it or who they are taking it from.Who they have to kill to take it.
 
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