Genesis One

Aman777 said:

The evidence is inside you. You are a combination of the common ancestor of ALL Humans (Adam) and you have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes. It happened because Noah's Grandsons had NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) to marry. Only Humans were made with an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22

Like Cain, on Adam's world, Humans married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people). Gen 6:4 And also after that, Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the prehistoric people who had been on planet Earth for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived. Gen 10:10 Otherwise you would still be trying to find a place to sleep tonight. Amen?

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I understand that you believe this, and while your idea is much, much closer to the evidence then normal YEC and OEC ideas, there should still be evidence of very recent common ancestors from the Sons of Adam.

Also, when we study the DNA of ancient humans from before the Ark landed on this world, there should be distinct differences where the Sons of Adam intermingled.

Incidentally, in your time line why did God make non-speaking uncivilised cave men on the original flat world? Just for Adam to dominate?

Aman777 said:

Please be more specific or no one will read longer and longer posts.

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I'm sorry but I was actually quite specific. I lumped ALL your brief posts into one, and it was still easy to follow what I was saying I thought.

To be more brief if you couldn't follow, none of your verses were supporting why and how you came to the conclusion of your OP. None of them. They were all conclusions. HOW did you get to those conclusions, you still have yet to tell me.

Aman777 said:

A good example from your post is that you are confused about Jesse.

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I was not confused by Jesse, I was giving you an example of figurative language.
Please try to have the attention span to follow me I implore you. I am genuinely trying to discuss this with you.

Aman777 said:

The verse is speaking of David, the son of Jesse Rth 4:22 from whom Jesus descended. During the thousand year reign is when Jesus will change ALL living creatures into Vegetarians. Isa 11 and Gen 1:30 Amen?

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What I was saying, this part that YOU are confused on not me, is that this is figurative language. Has nothing to do with Gen 1:30.

Then I asked again, please show me HOW you come to these conclusions as you have yet to do so.

PsychoSarah said:

Christian creationists don't agree uniformly on what the bible says about creation.

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Aman777 said:

There is only ONE Truth and it MUST agree in every way with every discovery of mankind, and it does, IF you have the proper interpretation. Can you tell us IF there is an outline of ALL of the Bible to which every other verse refers?

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That there is only one truth I agree with you.
That it must agree with every discovery of mankind, is implicite in it being truth.
Where it does not agree is with mans distortedinterpretation of facts.

Aman777 said:

Then tell us WHERE to find the outline of the entire Bible so we can be sure we have Genesis correct

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Look in your bible, you don't need an outline of the whole bible.

Aman777 said:

False, since darkness/death was upon everything God created in Genesis 1:1. Anything made from the air dust and water is subject to death

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God's own comment on his creation is found in the pharase and 'God saw that it was good'.

You are saying that a perfect being can not make something that is perfect, your reasoning here is faulty.

Aman777 said:

The problem comes because ONLY the people of the last days have the increased knowledge to understand Genesis. Daniel 12:4

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What you are saying is that man today is more intelligent then the people of thousands of years ago, who didn't understand the meaning of words.

The people of long ago did understand what the words meant. Read the account of Mary and Joseph and see how he understood how women get pregnant.

What you ignore is that those people of long ago did know about spiritual matters and there reality and that people today are ignorant about spiritual reality.

Aman777 said:

Aman777 said: ↑
The verse is speaking of David, the son of Jesse Rth 4:22 from whom Jesus descended. During the thousand year reign is when Jesus will change ALL living creatures into Vegetarians. Isa 11 and Gen 1:30 Amen?



Genesis 1:30 speaks of ALL living creatures becoming Vegetarians. Continue reading Isaiah until you find these verses, which say the SAME:

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Since this event happens AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon and is prophecy and says the same thing Gen 1:30 says, it should be obvious. Amen?

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We have derailed from the original point I made though.

Where are your supporting scriptures that Genesis speaks of "ages/periods" and not "days"?

I gave you the Hebrew definitions of "evening", "morning", and "day", which in each of those verses "first", "second", "third", so on and so forth, all are forced to mean one 24 hour day.

You can't change grammar/context to the way you wish.

`ereb - Evening - dusk:— day, even(-ing, tide), night.

boqer - Morning - properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:—(+) day, early, morning, morrow.

yowm - a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):—age, always, chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone)

When "yowm" is combined with "'ereb" and "boqer", you are forced to conclude that it is one 24 hour day.

I believe you do not want to deal with this fact because if you are forced to consider this, your entire theory is incorrect.

Furthermore, in Exodus 20:11, scripture also tells us AGAIN, that the Lord made everything in 6 days.

Look at the Hebrew words there too....

"For in six...." = shesh - six (as an overplus beyond five or the fingers of the hand); as ordinal sixth:—six(-teen, -teenth), sixth.

"days" - yowm

The context is telling us each day as one 24 hour day.

If you are looking for context that states a period of and age of time, see to this difference in context....

1 Kings 11:42

"And the time..." - "yowm"

"...that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years."

See the difference in context?

The word Yowm was used as a period of time here in 1 Kings, but not in Genesis 1 or 2.

On this fact alone, your entire theory is destroyed.

Aman777 said:

No. I am saying that God brought Adam's small, miles wide, firmament/world to our planet and opened its windows on high. It rained for 40 days and nights and the bottom of the firmament filled with water and sank, leaving the 450 ft Ark in the Lake. Noah was the FIRST Human (descendant of Noah) to put foot on planet Earth.

Adam's small world was totally destroyed and his Earth "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 in the Lake when the firmament sank. Every creature on Adam's world was destroyed including the fish, which cannot live in Lake Van. That's God's Truth of Noah's flood. The "Scoffers" of the last days will NOT believe it. ll Peter 3:3-7

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*blink*

Ooookay.

Nice talking with you. Bye.

Aman777 said:

False, since each of God's Days/Ages is billions of years in man's time. Today remains the 6th Creative Day, the Day of Salvation, and it has been the 6th Age since the Lord made animals from the dust and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 It will continue to be the 6th Age in the Creation of Heaven until Heaven is filled with "ALL" of it's host, Gen 2:1 which includes the last sinner to be born again Spiritually in Christ. 2Co 6:2

If you don't believe me, then tell us of a time in History when ALL creatures were vegetarians, including Lions and Bears. Hint: Isa 11:7



False. The 6 Days are "periods of time" when God is STILL creating the perfect Heaven. The 7th Day is Eternity, has no ending and no beginning, it's where God lives in the eternal present and where ALL of the host of Heaven will be present Gen 2:1 BEFORE God rests (ceases) from creating because Heaven has finally been made perfect. God doesn't get tired but He ALWAYS winds up with a perfect product, the 3rd Heaven. Then He ceases from ALL of His work of creating forever and lives with His children forever. God Bless you

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Your going to have to prove your theory.

I gave you facts, where is your evidence? You have brought none to the table here. I repeat again.....

Acts2:38 said:

We have derailed from the original point I made though.

Where are your supporting scriptures that Genesis speaks of "ages/periods" and not "days"?

I gave you the Hebrew definitions of "evening", "morning", and "day", which in each of those verses "first", "second", "third", so on and so forth, all are forced to mean one 24 hour day.

You can't change grammar/context to the way you wish.

`ereb - Evening - dusk:— day, even(-ing, tide), night.

boqer - Morning - properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:—(+) day, early, morning, morrow.

yowm - a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):—age, always, chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone)

When "yowm" is combined with "'ereb" and "boqer", you are forced to conclude that it is one 24 hour day.

I believe you do not want to deal with this fact because if you are forced to consider this, your entire theory is incorrect.

Furthermore, in Exodus 20:11, scripture also tells us AGAIN, that the Lord made everything in 6 days.

Look at the Hebrew words there too....

"For in six...." = shesh - six (as an overplus beyond five or the fingers of the hand); as ordinal sixth:—six(-teen, -teenth), sixth.

"days" - yowm

The context is telling us each day as one 24 hour day.

If you are looking for context that states a period of and age of time, see to this difference in context....

1 Kings 11:42

"And the time..." - "yowm"

"...that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years."

See the difference in context?

The word Yowm was used as a period of time here in 1 Kings, but not in Genesis 1 or 2.

On this fact alone, your entire theory is destroyed.

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Aman777 said:

You gave us a religious opinion. I list the Scripture which supports my view in every post. IF you can't understand, I have offered to explain each verse, but you have asked for none. All you have to do to refute me (prove me wrong) is show us a time in the past when ALL living creatures were Vegetarians as Gen 1:30 clearly states. Otherwise, the 6th Day continues, with or without your approval.

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No, the verses you are giving me are your conclusions to your theory.

Where is the evidence to how you came to those conclusions?

Where in the bible, leads you to believe that it was 6 different "ages/periods" of time and NOT "days"?

You are not giving me any evidence to this.

I, however, am not giving you an opinion. The definitions of these Hebrew words in Genesis are a fact. Grammar and context is a fact. I gave you facts not opinions. That WAS me refuting you with these facts.

Where are your facts/evidence to your conclusions? This is what you are not giving me. You are stating opinions/theories and then placing the verse as a conclusion to why you believe such, but you are not giving me the verses that lead you to the conclusion.

So, the facts. This is fact, not opinion. It's all in the grammar and context of the statements made in the sentence structure. If you do not understand grammar and context, I would be more than happy to explain this as well with as many examples as it would take.

Now, here is what you are not answering me on. Please answer the question to continue the dialog/discussion we are having.

The third time I am posting this:

Where are your supporting scriptures that Genesis speaks of "ages/periods" and not "days"?

I gave you the Hebrew definitions of "evening", "morning", and "day", which in each of those verses "first", "second", "third", so on and so forth, all are forced to mean one 24 hour day.

You can't change grammar/context to the way you wish.

`ereb - Evening - dusk:— day, even(-ing, tide), night.

boqer - Morning - properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:—(+) day, early, morning, morrow.

yowm - a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figurative (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverb):—age, always, chronicals, continually(-ance), daily, ((birth-), each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone)

When "yowm" is combined with "'ereb" and "boqer", you are forced to conclude that it is one 24 hour day.

I believe you do not want to deal with this fact because if you are forced to consider this, your entire theory is incorrect.

Furthermore, in Exodus 20:11, scripture also tells us AGAIN, that the Lord made everything in 6 days.

Look at the Hebrew words there too....

"For in six...." = shesh - six (as an overplus beyond five or the fingers of the hand); as ordinal sixth:—six(-teen, -teenth), sixth.

"days" - yowm

The context is telling us each day as one 24 hour day.

If you are looking for context that states a period of and age of time, see to this difference in context....

1 Kings 11:42

"And the time..." - "yowm"

"...that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years."

See the difference in context?

The word Yowm was used as a period of time here in 1 Kings, but not in Genesis 1 or 2.

On this fact alone, your entire theory is destroyed.

Aman777 said:

Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of the events at the end of the present 6th Day. Genesis 1:27 says, Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own Image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Today, God is STILL creating mankind in His Image which is Spiritual. Jhn 4:24
God is a Spirit: If you don't believe me, ask any Gospel preacher. IF God is still creating mankind in Christ Spiritually, He is STILL working today. Unless you can show us that God rested (ceased) from ALL of His creating in the past, your ideas are all refuted by these verses:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-brought to perfection) and ALL the host (inhabitants) of them.

Notice that Heaven is filled with ALL of its host which includes the last Christian to be saved. Amen?

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested (ceased creating) on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made.

Has God ceased creating sinners into Christians? NO, since we still live at Gen 1:27 at the end of the present 6th Day and God will NOT cease creating until Jesus returns and rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Then, God will cease creating or rests from ALL of His creating, because Heaven has been made perfect and filled with God's children.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: (set it apart) because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

The 7th Day is Holy; it is Eternity because it has NO ending and NO beginning. It's God's Eternal Present and His rest or perfection in His Holy Heaven Eternally. Amen?

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I appreciate you keeping your composure with me, however, you are still avoiding my post. You are also giving me speculations based off of the verses you've made your conclusions with due to the lack of you facing the context/grammar I have provided you.

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Let's start this over. Hit the reset button.

Without giving me your OP again and again, please answer these as brief as possible.

1- (I believe we both know where we stand, but please go along with me) Do you believe the creation event in Genesis is in days or ages/periods?

2- Do you agree or disagree, that Genesis 1 (and 2) is written in Hebrew?

3- Do you agree with the meaning of the Hebrew word " 'ereb" that means "evening" defined as: "dusk:— day, even(-ing, tide), night"?
If not, please explain and give detail/evidence.

4- Do you agree with the meaning of the Hebrew word "boqer" that means "morning" defined as: "properly, dawn (as the break of day); generally, morning:—(+) day, early, morning, morrow."?

If not, please explain and give detail/evidence.

Pause the questions and hear me out really quick.

I agree that "yowm" in Hebrew in the proper context can mean ages or periods. However, in the proper context, it can also mean one 24 hour day.

Resuming questions...

5- Do you agree that the meaning of "yowm"in Hebrew, in its proper context, can change the meaning given the definition of "yowm" used in scripture?

See definition examples as defined in "Strongs"
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

The evidence I bring you:

Now put together those Hebrew words.

"evening" and "morning" were the [first,second,third,fourth,fifth,sixth,seventh] "day"

'ereb + boqer = "" yowm
evening + morning = "" day

Given the context/grammar of these sentences, one is forced to conclude that this is one 24 hour day, seeing that it was "evening and morning" tied into the word "yowm" / "day".

Here is an example of "yowm" meaning a "period of time or an age"

See to 1 Kings 11:42,

"42 And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years."

"and the time..." = "Yowm" in Hebrew. It ties in with "...was forty years." to give us an idea that a "period of time or an age" has gone by. This sentence obviously does not mean one 24 hour day.

Here is another example of the Hebrew word "Yowm" used as a period of time, found in Genesis 4:3

"and in the process of time..." the word "yowm" is used, telling us that a portion of time, more than a 24 hour day, has gone by.

Back to Genesis 1, the Hebrew word for "yowm" is tied into "evening and morning were the [first, second, third, etc]" to meaning exactly ONE 24 hour day.

You must face the grammar/context of these sentences. If you truly believe the bible is the inspired word of God, you will face how the sentences are structured. Doing so, you will see that Genesis 1 is stating 24 hour days and not periods of time.