Satan Is God according to bible?

BobRyan said:

lower case -- the god of this world Just as in Exodus 20 "have no other gods before Me" -- there is only one true God. All others are wanna-be and the devil was given control of the world by Adam ... when he comes to tempt Christ the devil says this -- Luke 4
5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore if You worship before me, it shall all be Yours.”

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Led him up? I thought your satan was all powerful, why would he have to lead him up? The sight only provided a view of Jerusalem and Judea, so how could he show him the whole world? Who handed it over to him? God rules the whole world not to mention that Christ destroyed him by his own death.. Luke 4:5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the accuser said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore if You worship before me, it shall all be Yours.” Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
If God is the only one who has immortality, how is a feind called satan still alive.
Anything in Rev happened after John wrote the book, so there goes your devil theory. Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Sometimes "Satan" will be found a person, the active, plotting, intelligent fiend of orthodoxy, sometimes the authorities, sometimes the flesh; in fact, whatever acts the part of an adversary is, scripturally, "Satan." "Satan" is never the superhuman power of popular belief.
Eph 4:18 being darkened in the understanding, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart,
"For ALL that is in the world, the LUST of the FLESH, and the LUST of the EYES, and the PRIDE OF LIFE, is of the world" (I John 2:16). "OUT OF THE HEART proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies," etc. (Matt.15:19). (this was the sin of Ananias)
"Every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then, when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth death" (James 1:14-15).
Cruden remarks: "This word comes from the Greek diabolos, which signifies a calumniator or accuser." Parkhurst says, "The original word diabolos comes from diabebola, the perfect tense, middle voice of diaballo, which is compounded of dia, through; and ballo, to cast; therefore meaning to dart or strike through; whence, in a figurative sense, it signifies to strike or stab with an accusation or evil report." Hence, Parkhurst defines diabolos as a substantive,-to mean "an accuser, a slanderer," which he illustrates by referring to I Tim. 3:11 Either this ought to be "devils," or devil elsewhere ought to be false accuser; 2Ti 3:2 for men shall be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, evil-speakers, to parents disobedient, unthankful, unkind, 2Ti 3:3 without natural affection, implacable, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, not lovers of those who are good; Titus 2:3 aged women, in like manner, in deportment as doth become sacred persons, not false accusers, to much wine not enslaved, of good things teachers, in all of which, as the reader will perceive by perusing the passages, it is applied to human beings.
It is God who says, "I kill, and I make alive" (Deut. 32:39). God, and not the devil, reigns. God dispenses retribution, and enforces His own law; not a hostile archangel, presumed to be at eternal enmity with Him.
Mat 13:28 And he saith to them, A man, an enemy, did this; and the servants said to him, Wilt thou, then, that having gone away we may gather it up? [YLT]

HypnoToad said:

That's nice. But you're still left with your view leaving us with the nonsensical situation of God rebuking God in Jude.

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You are trying to break up this thread by your whimsical questions.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
If God is the only one who has immortality, how is a feind called satan still alive.
Anything in Rev happened after John wrote the book, so there goes your devil theory. Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Sometimes "Satan" will be found a person, the active, plotting, intelligent fiend of orthodoxy, sometimes the authorities, sometimes the flesh; in fact, whatever acts the part of an adversary is, scripturally, "Satan." "Satan" is never the superhuman power of popular belief.
Eph 4:18 being darkened in the understanding, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart,
"For ALL that is in the world, the LUST of the FLESH, and the LUST of the EYES, and the PRIDE OF LIFE, is of the world" (I John 2:16). "OUT OF THE HEART proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies," etc. (Matt.15:19). (this was the sin of Ananias)
"Every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then, when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth death" (James 1:14-15).
Cruden remarks: "This word comes from the Greek diabolos, which signifies a calumniator or accuser." Parkhurst says, "The original word diabolos comes from diabebola, the perfect tense, middle voice of diaballo, which is compounded of dia, through; and ballo, to cast; therefore meaning to dart or strike through; whence, in a figurative sense, it signifies to strike or stab with an accusation or evil report." Hence, Parkhurst defines diabolos as a substantive,-to mean "an accuser, a slanderer," which he illustrates by referring to I Tim. 3:11 Either this ought to be "devils," or devil elsewhere ought to be false accuser; 2Ti 3:2 for men shall be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, evil-speakers, to parents disobedient, unthankful, unkind, 2Ti 3:3 without natural affection, implacable, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, not lovers of those who are good; Titus 2:3 aged women, in like manner, in deportment as doth become sacred persons, not false accusers, to much wine not enslaved, of good things teachers, in all of which, as the reader will perceive by perusing the passages, it is applied to human beings.
It is God who says, "I kill, and I make alive" (Deut. 32:39). God, and not the devil, reigns. God dispenses retribution, and enforces His own law; not a hostile archangel, presumed to be at eternal enmity with Him.
Mat 13:28 And he saith to them, A man, an enemy, did this; and the servants said to him, Wilt thou, then, that having gone away we may gather it up? [YLT]

BobRyan said:

lower case -- the god of this world Just as in Exodus 20 "have no other gods before Me" -- there is only one true God. All others are wanna-be and the devil was given control of the world by Adam ... when he comes to tempt Christ the devil says this -- Luke 4
5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore if You worship before me, it shall all be Yours.” Using the sky as a very large screen would be one way to do it. Aerial 3-D 3-D Projection Tech Makes Images Hover in Mid-Air, No Screen Necessary See min:sec 2:55 news clip for images in cloud/sky
(Which is not me arguing that Satan is only as smart as you or me and can only come up with ideas after we think of them first. I am just showing that "options" exist)

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Get real man, your imagination and superstitions are overpowering you.

BobRyan said:

Not a point of dispute that Christ takes up with him. He makes the same point in Job 1 -- when asked about his right to be at the table - the domain that he claims -- he says it is earth.
God does not challenge him on that point in Job 1... Christ does not challenge him on that point

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Sorry, but God does challenge the Adversary and limits what he can do. Job 1:6 And the day is, that sons of God come in to station themselves by Jehovah, and there doth come also the Adversary [one of the sons of God.] in their midst. 12 And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, 'Lo, all that he hath is in thy hand, only unto him put not forth thy hand.' And the Adversary goeth out from the presence of Jehovah. Not only that but it is God who is bringing all the evil upon Job, not your satan: Job_19:21　 Pity me, pity me, ye my friends, For the hand of God hath stricken against me. Job_42:11　 And come unto him do all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all his former acquaintances, and they eat bread with him in his house, and bemoan him, and comfort him concerning all the evil that Jehovah had brought upon him, and they gave to him each one kesitah, and each one ring of gold. God controls evil not your satan. Mat_5:45　 that ye may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous.

BobRyan said:

in Luke 4:5 and Paul says satan is "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4 "4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving"

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Mat 13:28 And he saith to them, A man, an enemy, did this; and the servants said to him, Wilt thou, then, that having gone away we may gather it up? [YLT] The great God of heaven and earth is He who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, apostle means the true God by the words the God of this world. And that by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost.
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse: But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients.
Romans 11:8-10: God HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT of SLUMBER, EYES that they SHOULD not SEE, and EARS that they SHOULD not HEAR; let their EYES be DARKENED .
Isaiah 6:9: Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. MAKE the HEART of this PEOPLE FAT, and MAKE their EARS HEAVY, and SHUT their EYES; LEST they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart. Exo 4:11　 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

BobRyan said:

Christ did not destroy the devil by dying. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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Don't you know the difference between past and present and future tense? Rev 4:1 After these things I saw, and lo, a door opened in the heaven, and the first voice that I heard is as of a trumpet speaking with me, saying, 'Come up hither, and I will shew thee what it behoveth to come to pass after these things;' So who was the deceiver and accusers?
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with him who is sitting upon the horse, and with his army; Vision of the Son of Man

BobRyan said:

the life span of pre-flood man was such that each of them lived for over 900 years before the flood - see Genesis 5 The life span of Satan is even longer than that. But he is not immortal. At some point if God did not destroy him - he too would die. But he has a few more thousand years in him yet..

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Get real again and do not listen to superstitions. 2000, years or more is not equated with 900 years and the one you are talking about died. What does Christ say? Heb_2:14　 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the accusers;

BobRyan said:

Hardly. In Rev we have the devil still alive at the second coming as seen in Rev 19. In Rev 20 we see that the devil lives beyond the 1000 years that starts with the second coming event of Rev 19.

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Not by what my Bible says and who is the beast: Again, Don't you know the difference between past and present and future tense? Rev 4:1 After these things I saw, and lo, a door opened in the heaven, and the first voice that I heard is as of a trumpet speaking with me, saying, 'Come up hither, and I will shew thee what it behoveth to come to pass after these things;'
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with him who is sitting upon the horse, and with his army; Vision of the Son of Man

com7fy8 said:

But Satan is under God's ruling control. And we have > "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour." (1 Peter 5:8)
So, there is Satan and not only God; plus, where the Bible says Satan is the ruler of this world . . . this means how Satan is causing the evil . . . but under the all-control of God who is greater then Satan.

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Gosh, I wonder who could the roaring lion represent?

Psa_22:13　 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

Eze_22:25　 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.

Eze_22:27　 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.

Mat_7:15　 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [KJV]

com7fy8 said:

And being blinded by God is not how ones are blinded by Satan. Satan messes people so they can not see, while people of a selfish nature are blinded by the glorious light of God's love. But people who are alive in love are also benefitting from His light and not blinded; because they have the nature which can see in God's light . . . while people of a selfish nature react to God's light by being blinded . . . not because of God but because of their own nature reacting so.

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Really? What about Saul? Who blinded him?

Act_9:8　 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. [KJV]

Now God cannot be the cause of sin, as stated above (C/ [79], A[1]). Therefore it follows that in this respect, a man's will alone is directly the cause of his sin. Augustine proves (De Lib. Arb. i, 11) that "nothing else than his own will makes man's mind the slave of his desire." Now man does not become a slave to his desires; except through sin. Therefore the cause of sin cannot be the devil. but man's own will alone.

Origen Commentary on Matthew Book XI: so the prince of this world, in regard to whom the Saviour says, "Now has the prince of this world been judged,"[124]
Origen Commentary on Matthew Book XII: through which, when Christ was crucified, the principalities-among which, I think, was also the prince of this world-were made a show of and triumphed over before the believing world. Wherefore, when His suffering was at hand he said, "Now the prince of this world has been judged,"[130]

Of judgment - Of the false judgment of the Jews in condemning the Lord Jesus, who, as some think, is intended here by the ruler of this world: see Joh 14:30. It is necessary to observe that it was one office of the Spirit to convince of a judgment to come; and this he did particularly by the apostles, in declaring that God had appointed a day in which he would judge the world by him whom he had appointed for that purpose: Act 17:31.
The prince of this world - Τουτου, of this, is omitted by ABDEGHKLMS, Mt. BH, one hundred others; both the Syriac, later Persic, all the Arabic, and several of the primitive fathers. I rather think the omission of the pronoun makes the sense more general; for, had he said This world, the words might have been restrained to the Jewish state, or to the Roman government. But who is the person called here the prince of the world?

1. Mr. Wakefield thinks that Christ speaks here of himself, as he does in Joh_12:31, (see the note there), and translates this verse and the following thus: For the ruler of this world is coming; and I have nothing now to do, but to convince the world that I love the Father, and do as he commanded me. It is very difficult to ascertain the real meaning here: of the different opinions proposed above, the reader must take that which he deems the most likely. [ Adam CLARKE]

The Son of Man Must Be Lifted Up Isa 49:24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered? KJV

com7fy8 said:

It depends on which scripture is using the lion image. In 1 Peter 5:8 "roaring lion" means Satan, and can not be God because God is "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (in 2 Peter 5:9)

Also, we can see how Jesus is not Satan, because Jesus came in flesh and blood in order that through His death He might "destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." (in Hebrews 2:14-15)

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Seems like you do not know who opened their mouth against Christ.
Job 4:10 The roaring of a lion, And the voice of a fierce lion, And teeth of young lions have been broken.

Psa 22:13 They have opened against me their mouth, A lion tearing and roaring.

Eze 22:25 A conspiracy of its prophets is in its midst, as a roaring lion tearing prey; The soul they have devoured, Wealth and glory they have taken, Its widows have multiplied in its midst.

27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Luk 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.