Icelandic Catholic leaders condemn ‘anti-Semitic’ circumcision law

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Its not that we don't care about rights, just that we believe the right to be circumcised is important also.
It's a religious liberty thing. In many countries that is still a right. And it is a fundamental right for humans.
 
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It's a religious liberty thing. In many countries that is still a right. And it is a fundamental right for humans.
It really amazes me the importance people put on an excess flap of skin. If they are so against circumcision, fine, but to try and ban it for everyone... Why? The only reason I can think is that there are benefits, but such people don't want others to obtain these, so try to ban it for all. :|
 
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This is such a first world problem it's almost laughable.
As they say, "Getting circumcised was no skin off my nose, and if done correctly, would be no skin off your nose, either".
 
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But this tradition comes from the bible

Irrelevant. There are a lot of traditions in the Bible that we now deem barbaric or unnecessary.

already a number of links provided demonstrating the benefits of circumcision and dispelling some of the myths

There of plenty of links that say the exact opposite too. Links are a game of back and forth.

Many people actually prefer to be without it.

Most circumcised people don't even know what its like to have foreskin since it was taken at a young age, so how can they 'prefer' it?

The stats say about 18% of men not circumcised at birth are later circumcised anyway

Yes, but that is through a CHOICE they made. No problem if they actually chose it.

additional 21% who aren't wish they had been

Blame society for that. There is an arrogance and superiority complex among many circumcised people or women who have only been with circumcised men. I personally have been told how disgusting and ugly uncircumcised penis' are and thanks to inappropriate contentography, this has had an effect on many men who therefore feel inadequate until they get the procedure. not something to boast about really.

the female partners of circumcised men are more likely to be sexually fulfilled.

Right, because women actually matter when it comes to mens bits? I don't think so. Men shouldn't have to cut off parts of their genitals so that some shallow woman can feel better during sex.
 
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The only reason I can think is that there are benefits, but such people don't want others to obtain these, so try to ban it for all.

This is probably your worst and most petty take yet.

Nobody is even trying to say it should be completely banned. It should be banned for children who can not make the decision and no parent should be able to decide that for a child.

If this was any other procedure you'd be all up in arms about a childs rights.

If its just a flap of skin, then no reason why parents can't decide to cut off earlobes, bits of random skin on the body that aren't needed, right? Or are you saying its only okay if its the penis?

You say we make a big deal out of a piece of skin, yet you seem obsessed over what is done to peoples penis' to the extent where you advocate chopping bits of it off. You're just the same but on the opposite side.
 
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Right, because women actually matter when it comes to mens bits? I don't think so. Men shouldn't have to cut off parts of their genitals so that some shallow woman can feel better during sex.

Well,


I suppose it matters if you actually want to get laid.
 
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Irrelevant. There are a lot of traditions in the Bible that we now deem barbaric or unnecessary.
Not really. Such as? Even where it deals with things like slavery or rape, Christians believe the bible provides a just framework for dealing with the fallen human condition.

There of plenty of links that say the exact opposite too. Links are a game of back and forth.
True. But when there clearly exists such doubt even among experts, its immature and tyrannical to ban something just because you believe the other side to be wrong.

Most circumcised people don't even know what its like to have foreskin since it was taken at a young age, so how can they 'prefer' it?
You can be glad for a decision your parents made for you, without knowing what exactly what it would be like had they not made the decision. That's what this means.

Yes, but that is through a CHOICE they made. No problem if they actually chose it.
Its a choice their parents made. Had they been circumcised at birth, its an issue they wouldn't have even have known about.

Blame society for that. There is an arrogance and superiority complex among many circumcised people or women who have only been with circumcised men. I personally have been told how disgusting and ugly uncircumcised penis' are and thanks to inappropriate contentography, this has had an effect on many men who therefore feel inadequate until they get the procedure. not something to boast about really.
I think the arrogance actually goes the other way, with thinking that circumcised men and their wives are missing out, as if something like the penis, rather than just an excess skin flap had been removed.

Right, because women actually matter when it comes to mens bits? I don't think so. Men shouldn't have to cut off parts of their genitals so that some shallow woman can feel better during sex.
Call me a feminist, but I consider sexual relationships to be a 2 way thing. If a simple procedure like circumcision can improve satisfaction for women, in addition to the health benefits it gives both, you must surely agree this is another justification to allow it? I know your argument hinges on the importance of foreskin (which I dispute), but if this is left out of the equation, I think you would agree.
 
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This is probably your worst and most petty take yet.

Nobody is even trying to say it should be completely banned. It should be banned for children who can not make the decision and no parent should be able to decide that for a child.
This is what I'm talking about. The decision needs to be made for the child.

If this was any other procedure you'd be all up in arms about a childs rights.
Anything else wouldn't just be about an excess skin flap, wouldn't be in the bible, wouldn't have the stated benefits and wouldn't have been practiced for thousands of years without problem.

If its just a flap of skin, then no reason why parents can't decide to cut off earlobes, bits of random skin on the body that aren't needed, right? Or are you saying its only okay if its the penis?
If we were discussing removing part of the male organ, I'd be against it. But its just foreskin, excess skin covering the male organ at birth. Kinda different. Parents can't decide to cut off earlobes or random bits of skin, as this provides no benefit, isn't in the bible, and hasn't been practiced for thousands of years. Circumcision does, is, and has.


You say we make a big deal out of a piece of skin, yet you seem obsessed over what is done to peoples penis' to the extent where you advocate chopping bits of it off. You're just the same but on the opposite side.
Nope, because I am not saying every male should be circumcised. I'm just saying children have the right to choose (i.e. have parents make that choice for them).
 
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According to this bible verse (Genesis 17:9-11), circumcision is a covenant directly from God:
9 God also told Abraham: “As for you, you must keep My covenant, you and your descendants for the generations to come. 10 This is My covenant with you and your descendants after you, which you are to keep: Every male among you must be circumcised. 11 You are to circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and this will be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
Looks like this is a very important part of the Jewish religion--a covenant from God Himself. To make it illegal is to undermine the Jewish faith.
 
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