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The old man is what we were before we began to cooperate with the grace of God. Liars, thieves, murderers, or what have you - simply covetous backbiters maybe.

There is usually a large change that comes immediately with turning to God - the "new creation". The putting off of the old man.

But the new man still needs more healing, more transformation. And that is rarely perfected in life.

The Old Man is the Flesh, the Sinful Nature of man.

Rom. 6:3-11
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom. 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This then is Newness of life.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
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The Old Man is the Flesh, the Sinful Nature of man.

Rom. 6:3-11
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom. 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This then is Newness of life.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
I'm not sure if you're asking a question, agreeing, or disagreeing. :)
 
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I'm not sure if you're asking a question, agreeing, or disagreeing. :)

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What you answered was sort of nebulous as far as what Paul is speaking about when he says what the Old Man actually is.

I was giving verses which speak to that question I asked.

I sensed, you are not aware of the distinction of the word Flesh and the two different ways it is used, and defined for the Christian.

The Old Man is the Flesh, the Sinful Nature of man.
 
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What you answered was sort of nebulous as far as what Paul is speaking about when he says what the Old Man actually is.

I was giving verses which speak to that question I asked.

I sensed, you are not aware of the distinction of the word Flesh and the two different ways it is used, and defined for the Christian.
Well, this particular forum isn't the place to debate theology. It is for discussing spiritual formation. :)

So with that in mind - yes, I do have understanding of the different words and meanings for "flesh" in different contexts, though our ontological theology differs slightly from yours, I imagine. That's why I was being a little nebulous. This isn't the place to debate it. I do appreciate your concern though. If you're interested, we can discuss it in more depth elsewhere.

I don't want to stray from the OP in this forum though.

God be with you.
 
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Well, this particular forum isn't the place to debate theology. It is for discussing spiritual formation. :)

So with that in mind - yes, I do have understanding of the different words and meanings for "flesh" in different contexts, though our ontological theology differs slightly from yours, I imagine. That's why I was being a little nebulous. This isn't the place to debate it. I do appreciate your concern though. If you're interested, we can discuss it in more depth elsewhere.

I don't want to stray from the OP in this forum though.

God be with you.


Ok.
Have a Blessed day
 
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Outside of being in a coma can a full-grown adult be spiritually disciplined enough to go one or more consecutive days without sinning inwardly and outwardly?

With regard to the question as asked.

A Christians Spiritual Discipline has nothing to do with his ability to live without sinning.

Your cumming from the perspective, that a Born Again Believer is fully capable of sinning after he receives the Grace of God, in the form of his Salvation through Christ.

A Christian is.
1) Dead to the law.

Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

2) Dead to the Flesh.

Rom. 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

3) Dead to sin

Rom. 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

How then do you suppose a Christian is capable of sinning?
 
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Maybe I should ask you to define sin. I would define sin as breaking a commandment of the Lord. I have broken his commandments, but I'm not aware that I broke one yesterday.
Too easy my dear sir!
Did you have a bad thought about someone?
Did you dislike someone for giving you a hard time?
Were you upset with your wife/mother/son/friend because they did something you didn't agree with?
etc etc etc

Are you aware that Jesus raised the bar (or is it lowered??) when He said in

Mathew 5:20
New American Standard Bible
"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."

What does this mean?

Praise God that Jesus has your back.
We all sin every day.
God is a Holy God.
The 10 Commandments are only the beginning.
 
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With regard to the question as asked.

A Christians Spiritual Discipline has nothing to do with his ability to live without sinning.

Your cumming from the perspective, that a Born Again Believer is fully capable of sinning after he receives the Grace of God, in the form of his Salvation through Christ.

A Christian is.
1) Dead to the law.

Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

2) Dead to the Flesh.

Rom. 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

3) Dead to sin

Rom. 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

How then do you suppose a Christian is capable of sinning?
What is THE LAW??
 
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Why is it you do not understand nor do you believe, we are not in the flesh any longer but in the Spirit.


Rom. 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Right there it is, there isn't any wiggle room in this verse, for it says, if you do not have the Holy Spirit, you are none of His.

Now you tell me, do you have the Holy Spirit.....Yes - - No?

By answering truthfully, you have sealed your future.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

It isn't you any more.

Our living in the flesh in relation to this verse means, our Physical body the meat on our bones.

The Flesh which has been destroyed is the Sin Nature, "The Old Man"

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Gal. 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

This then is the flesh which has been destroyed.
We don't have the sin nature anymore?
And we don't live in the flesh.

So, YOU never sin I assume.

And if you THINK that maybe you just might, what is it that is making you sin?

I sometimes have to wonder if we really understand how Holy God is.

Paul is telling SAVED BELIEVERS what NOT to do in Romans 13:8-13. Why?
In verse 14 he says to put on the Lord Jesus and make NO PROVISION for the flesh in regard to its lusts. This means that we can make provision if we're not careful.

Paul exhorts us throughout his writings. This must surely mean that the possibility is there to sin.
1 Corinthians 9:1-12

What does 2 Corinthians 5:10 mean?
 
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what do you not understand about my posts or are you just trying to be inflammatory and insulting?

Like everyone in the world, I still live in the flesh...I still battle the fleshly desires...we all do but doing battle means that we have been given the tools to overcome and that is all we are talking about here.

In relation to what I am actually saying without your reinterpretations applied, you are saying that God has not given us the power to not sin so anytime temptation comes just give in cause God doesn't really care....I do NOT think for a moment that you really believe that, but hey, maybe you do...please, clarify for us your position since you can't accurately represent mine.
I was out yesterday and I'm not sure I replied to this. Sorry if it's a duplicate.

First of all I never mean to be inflammatory or insulting. I am sorry if I seem to be that way, but I never mean it like that.

You said:
you are saying that God has not given us the power to not sin so anytime temptation comes just give in cause God doesn't really care....I do NOT think for a moment that you really believe that,

No. You're right I don't mean what I'm saying like "that".

God has given us the tools...there are several verses about putting on the full armour of God, but I'll just say that Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit when He ascended and I don't know what more we could need.

All I'm saying is that sometimes some people state that they don't sin. This leads me to believe that they don't understand one of two things:
1. What is sin?
2. How Holy is God?

If we understand the above, we will not be able to say that we never sin.

To God every imperfection is sin.
We either think too lowly of HIM or
too highly of US.

Jesus said to be perfect like our Father in heaven is perfect.
This is a goal...do you think we could really be perfect?

I hope this explains. I NEVER encourage people to sin, but I also don't believe we never sin.
 
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The OP is actually a very good question to ask in relation to the SoP for this forum ...

for members to discuss spiritual formation the practice of spiritual disciplines (disciplines for the spiritual life), that enable Christians to grow spiritually and be transformed into the image of Christ.

If we are being transformed into the image of Christ, we are becoming more like Christ. We get closer to the "mark". On the other hand, missing the mark - is sin/hamartia.

We all fall short to some degree, but it is in being transformed through the grace of God that we become more like Christ. And the spiritual disciplines are some of the major ways we cooperate with God.
The spiritual disciplines are those practices found in Scripture that promote spiritual growth among believers in Jesus Christ, and that engage our mind and heart with God. The Apostle Paul wrote, "Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him" (Colossians 2:6), and “train yourself for godliness” (1 Timothy 4:7).

This is how we are transformed to become more like Christ.
The following spiritual disciplines are supported by Scripture and would be beneficial disciplines to discuss and encourage the practice of:
  • Prayer (Matthew 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:17; Ephesians 6:18; Colossians 4:2; Acts 6:4)
  • Meditation (Philippians 4:8; Psalms 119:97; Psalms 1:2; Joshua 1:8)
  • Fasting (Matthew 6:16-18; Luke 5:35)
  • Study (2 Timothy 2:15; 2 Timothy 3:16-17)
  • Scripture Memorization (Colossians 3:16; Psalms 119:11; Psalms 119:16)
  • Simplicity (1 Thessalonians 4:11; Philippians 4:11; Matthew 6:33)
  • Silence (Psalms 62:5; Psalms 46:10; James 1:19)
  • Solitude (Matthew 14:23; Mark 1:35; Mark 6:31; Luke 5:15)
  • Submission (Ephesians 5:21; Mark 8:34-35; Luke 22:42)
  • Service (Mark 10:45; John 13:12-17; 1 Peter 4:10)
  • Giving (Matthew 5:42; Matthew 6:19-21; 2 Corinthians 9:6-8; Deuteronomy 16:17)
  • Fellowship (Hebrews 10:24-25; Acts 2:42; 1 Corinthians 14:26)
  • Celebration (John 15:11; Philippians 4:4)
  • Worship (Matthew 4:10; John 4:23-24)
Fasting, for example, is a very important tool. One of the major benefits of fasting as a discipline is the strengthening of the will of the spirit to put the desires of the flesh into subjection. Discipline of the body over desire for food transfers into discipline of the body over other desires as well, allowing the spirit to more easily overcome the flesh in the face of temptation.

Prayer and meditation likewise strengthen the spirit, allowing us to more directly focus on the continual help available from the grace of God.

And so on.

It is through the grace of God, and our cooperation with Him, that we are transformed into Christ-likeness. This is why Paul speaks of disciplining his body, to bring the flesh into subjection.
 
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The OP is actually a very good question to ask in relation to the SoP for this forum ...

If we are being transformed into the image of Christ, we are becoming more like Christ. We get closer to the "mark". On the other hand, missing the mark - is sin/hamartia.

We all fall short to some degree, but it is in being transformed through the grace of God that we become more like Christ. And the spiritual disciplines are some of the major ways we cooperate with God.


This is how we are transformed to become more like Christ.

Fasting, for example, is a very important tool. One of the major benefits of fasting as a discipline is the strengthening of the will of the spirit to put the desires of the flesh into subjection. Discipline of the body over desire for food transfers into discipline of the body over other desires as well, allowing the spirit to more easily overcome the flesh in the face of temptation.

Prayer and meditation likewise strengthen the spirit, allowing us to more directly focus on the continual help available from the grace of God.

And so on.

It is through the grace of God, and our cooperation with Him, that we are transformed into Christ-likeness. This is why Paul speaks of disciplining his body, to bring the flesh into subjection.

I liked your examples.
Good post!
 
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Peace to you.

I'm afraid you really aren't understanding my meaning. And that's ok.

God be with you.



It almost seems you are responding to someone else. I said nothing at all about any of these things.
as I said, it is how your posts sound....nothing more or less...my comments stand....have a wonderful day in our Lord.
 
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My post is number 4.
You can take it or leave it.
It always astounds me that when some people are asked a direct question they can't answer it or they refuse to or resort to "post x" instead of simply directly answering the question or summarizing the previously given answer....often communication is helped with rewording...oh well...this is the question I asked you......what do you not understand about my posts or are you just trying to be inflammatory and insulting?

Like everyone in the world, I still live in the flesh...I still battle the fleshly desires...we all do but doing battle means that we have been given the tools to overcome and that is all we are talking about here.

In relation to what I am actually saying without your reinterpretations applied, you are saying that God has not given us the power to not sin so anytime temptation comes just give in cause God doesn't really care....I do NOT think for a moment that you really believe that, but hey, maybe you do...please, clarify for us your position since you can't accurately represent mine.

Your response from your post....

I don't see how.

I spoke to my gardener today. I told him he needs to do a better job (my husband and I cannot do this anymore) in the way that we were accustomed to keeping this garden.

I told him to give me a monthly fee and I'd pay it.

So: How many sins did I commit?

1. I placed too much importance on worldly things. My garden.

2. I did my best not to, but he might have felt badly. Love your neighbor.

3. I told him to set a fee that is good for both of us. Generosity, lack of?

4. I'm hoping the fee is low. Ditto.

The whole matter took about 15 minutes.
How many sins?

Praise God that Jesus will look out for us as long as we wish to do our best.

Do you, we, have any idea how HOLY God is?
I doubt we can go a day without hurting Him in some way, even if unintentional and not mean-hearted.


So your answer to what you do not understand about my post is that you sinned several times in one event....wow...Okay, so the second part of my post was that in relation to what I am saying, you do not believe God has given us the power to flee temptation...to not sin, we have no choice but to sin in your eyes....how horrifying that anyone would think God is that weak...I will be praying for you.

Remember, I gave you an opportunity to clarify that this was not what you thought and all you did was repost this...so I guess you do worship a weak God...I have chosen to worship and follow the Living God who is full of power and Love and might.
 
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as I said, it is how your posts sound....nothing more or less...my comments stand....have a wonderful day in our Lord.

Well, I would ask if someone wants to know what I'm saying - I'm doing it as clearly as I'm able to do, and mean exactly what I say. When people read in things like
You act like admitting that God has the power to keep us from sin that it somehow diminishes our need to confess and repent when we do sin which is something I find very distasteful which might be why we are still discussing this.

Then I have no answer. I'm not sure how I'm "acting" that gives such an impression. Forgive me. I know no way to fix being misunderstood as having said something I didn't intend.

If we were discussing confession and repentance (which we did not) - then I would say that is absolutely key. So is the grace of God to aid in our transformation.

I'm sorry that you are reading something else into what I'm saying. I simply wish you peace - may you have a wonderful day as well.
 
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We might also be helped in this thread by remembering the CF rule - address the post, not the poster.

We should reply to the thoughts actually expressed, not our opinion of the person behind them. Perhaps that can get us back on track.

Peace to all.
 
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Too easy my dear sir!
I realize you are directing this at another person but I will answer...
Did you have a bad thought about someone?
no
Did you dislike someone for giving you a hard time?
no
Were you upset with your wife/mother/son/friend because they did something you didn't agree with?
etc etc etc
no and being upset is not a sin God gets upset what is sin is worldly or prideful anger....
Are you aware that Jesus raised the bar (or is it lowered??) when He said in

Mathew 5:20
New American Standard Bible
"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."

What does this mean?
it means that we are to be Like Christ not like the Pharisees that say one thing but live out another. In fact we are called to Live Christ...which by the way, why didn't you include some of the harder sins for most of us, like not doing something God called us to do...or not praying for someone....or some of those, there are a whole list of some of the lesser sins I included in a study I did that I can find and share with you if you want?
Praise God that Jesus has your back.
We all sin every day.
God is a Holy God.
The 10 Commandments are only the beginning.
lol this actually makes me laugh since the OT law gave way to the NT law of Love and few people even have a clue what that law is, how can someone who doesn't understand that we are under the law of Love know if we can live out the law of Love or not?
 
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I was out yesterday and I'm not sure I replied to this. Sorry if it's a duplicate.

First of all I never mean to be inflammatory or insulting. I am sorry if I seem to be that way, but I never mean it like that.

You said:
you are saying that God has not given us the power to not sin so anytime temptation comes just give in cause God doesn't really care....I do NOT think for a moment that you really believe that,

No. You're right I don't mean what I'm saying like "that".

God has given us the tools...there are several verses about putting on the full armour of God, but I'll just say that Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit when He ascended and I don't know what more we could need.

All I'm saying is that sometimes some people state that they don't sin. This leads me to believe that they don't understand one of two things:
1. What is sin?
2. How Holy is God?

If we understand the above, we will not be able to say that we never sin.
this right here might be your problem...the OP question was NOT do you never sin but rather can we go one or more consecutive days without sin...since God gave us the tools to succeed I still maintain that we can indeed go one or more days without sin...we can NOT do it in our own power but we can do it in the power of the Living God and if you don't believe that then you do not believe that the God of the bible is as powerful and Loving and righteous not to mention holy and just as the bible describes Him to be which I find very sad and will be praying for you to discover who He says He is.
To God every imperfection is sin.
We either think too lowly of HIM or
too highly of US.
not every imperfection is sin...wow...one of my thumbs was injured as a child and never grew to normal length, that is an imperfection but is not a sin...wow...

I agree, most people have no clue how righteous He is and how seriously He takes all sin...as I previously said, I have a partial list of sins that I included in another study that I can try to find and share with you if you want, it includes but is not limited to not doing what God says in a specific moment and not praying...I would add though from a different list that not listening is also a sin and one that most people do everyday but just because few people listen doesn't mean that God has NOT given them the power to listen which is the question of the day.
Jesus said to be perfect like our Father in heaven is perfect.
This is a goal...do you think we could really be perfect?
we have repeatedly gone over this...of course I am not perfect as He is but that was not the OP question. The OP question was can I go a day or more without sin...the answer is yes and I have in the power of the Living God who equips us to succeed not fail.
I hope this explains. I NEVER encourage people to sin, but I also don't believe we never sin.
You are the only person talking about never sinning as far as I can tell which might be why you are butting heads with those of us who are talking about the OP topic rather than another topic.
 
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Well, I would ask if someone wants to know what I'm saying - I'm doing it as clearly as I'm able to do, and mean exactly what I say. When people read in things like


Then I have no answer. I'm not sure how I'm "acting" that gives such an impression. Forgive me. I know no way to fix being misunderstood as having said something I didn't intend.
when I say that in the power of the indwelling HS we can be without sin for one or more days and you argue that we cannot then what am I to believe you are saying? Seriously?
If we were discussing confession and repentance (which we did not) - then I would say that is absolutely key. So is the grace of God to aid in our transformation.

I'm sorry that you are reading something else into what I'm saying. I simply wish you peace - may you have a wonderful day as well.
I'm sorry that you feel that way. I believe in a powerful Loving God that equips us to do all that He asks us to do. Just because we do not always live in that power does not mean that He didn't give it or that we cannot Live in it. I'm not sure why you and another poster think that God would ask us to do the impossible then not equip us to be able to succeed cause that sounds pretty unloving to me....but so be it if that is what you believe. Have a wonderful day in our Lord.
 
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