Saying "God"

Inkfingers · May 30, 2018

☦Marius☦ said:
Source? Other than memes or any other internet culture.

Gesta Francorum.

The meme-makers are drawing on history.

Ken Rank · May 30, 2018

PaulCyp1 said:
The name "God" (as opposed to the noun "god") means exactly the same thing as YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Yahveh. These are all references to the one true God.

It doesn't mean the same thing... His name (YHWH) means, "I am, I was, I will be." It is a statement of His eternal nature. However, "God" does refer to Him in our language and those that feel the need to use foreign languages only to talk to a God who sees the HEART first, I believe, has missed the point.

Anguspure · May 30, 2018

Inkfingers said:
Actually the Crusader is more likely to shout Deus Vult, but that is besides the point.

When the BBC (understandably) translate "Allah" as "God" it sounds to most people as if "Allah" is Yehovah...when he is not

This is food for thought:

"Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. "Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless Muslim God. However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that corresponds to Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The God). Jesus is called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb 1:8. An important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly corresponded. It certainly doesn't prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or New Testament. It does not prove that Muslim's worship the same God as Christians. If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the Christian God, then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to "the god" (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same god as the Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god"."
The pagan origin of the word, "Allah". Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.

Inkfingers · May 30, 2018

PaulCyp1 said:
The name "God" (as opposed to the noun "god") means exactly the same thing as YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Yahveh. These are all references to the one true God.

God isn't a proper name, it's a word without inherent capitalisation and we may choose to use it with a capital G to signify YHWH but that method is used by non-Christians for their own subjects of worship.

Ken Rank · May 30, 2018

Anguspure said:
This is food for thought:

"Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. "Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless Muslim God. However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that corresponds to Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The God). Jesus is called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb 1:8. An important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly corresponded. It certainly doesn't prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or New Testament. It does not prove that Muslim's worship the same God as Christians. If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the Christian God, then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to "the god" (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same god as the Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god"."
The pagan origin of the word, "Allah". Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.

Jewish and Christian Arabs call YHWH "Allah" but not as a name (like the Muslims use it as) but in the same way we say "God."

Inkfingers · May 30, 2018

Anguspure said:
This is food for thought:

"Although "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. "Jehovah" is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless Muslim God. However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that corresponds to Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The God). Jesus is called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb 1:8. An important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly corresponded. It certainly doesn't prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or New Testament. It does not prove that Muslim's worship the same God as Christians. If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the Christian God, then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to "the god" (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same god as the Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god"."
The pagan origin of the word, "Allah". Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.

Yup, Allah and Eloi are grammatically linked (hence the similar sound).

Muslims are then using a variant of Elohim (meaning mighty judge and ruler) as a proper name for their 'deity' whilst avoiding any reference to YHWH.

yeshuaslavejeff · May 30, 2018

Inkfingers said:
And yet again there is a shooting in Europe (Belgium, today) and the shooter is quoted as saying "Allahu Akbar". Which the BBC translate as "God is greatest".

Are we, in saying "God" (as opposed to YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Yahovah), allowing a vagueness that is giving space to those who would claim that which they worship is the Creator and Judge of us all?

Well, just like you said bbc did,
there are billions of people including news and politics etc who claim to serve "god" but who serve demons/ idols/ flesh/ money / whatever......

and all of them may daily serve or believe in "god" without ever knowing Yahweh the Creator nor Jesus His Son.

Anguspure · May 30, 2018

Inkfingers said:
Yup, Allah and Eloi are grammatically linked (hence the similar sound).

Muslims are then using a variant of Elohim (meaning mighty judge and ruler) as a proper name for their 'deity' whilst avoiding any reference to YHWH.

As does the Judeo-Christian tradition, and I agree, by doing so we make YHWH the equivalent of all other deities that one might call "god", in the minds of most.

Devin P · May 30, 2018

Inkfingers said:
And yet again there is a shooting in Europe (Belgium, today) and the shooter is quoted as saying "Allahu Akbar". Which the BBC translate as "God is greatest".

Are we, in saying "God" (as opposed to YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Yahovah), allowing a vagueness that is giving space to those who would claim that which they worship is the Creator and Judge of us all?

One of the reasons I just call Him by His name. יהוה, Yahweh.

The "god" of Islam, isn't a "god". It's deception.

Chinchilla · May 31, 2018

Inkfingers said:
And yet again there is a shooting in Europe (Belgium, today) and the shooter is quoted as saying "Allahu Akbar". Which the BBC translate as "God is greatest".

Are we, in saying "God" (as opposed to YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, or Yahovah), allowing a vagueness that is giving space to those who would claim that which they worship is the Creator and Judge of us all?

Yah is his name , Yah said "my people called by my name " to prophets .
Prophets had Yah in thier names like IsaYah , JeremYah ect.
Many translations changed Yah to God and tetragrammaton into YHWH / I AM .

Yah's name is still here with us and most people say it while singing and are not aware of it , they said it every time they say HalleluYah :blink:

And Jesus came in his Father's name .
He came in Yah's name , his name was Yahoshua/ Yahshua which is made from Hosea and Yah meaning Yah our salvation .

But from the other hand God said Psalms 19:3
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
If you call him Jesus or Yeshua your voice is still heared . I see many people comming as "fake Christ " proclaiming themselfes to be "the messiah " as cult leaders so there is still power in Jesus because people try to fake it , if it was not so Satan would not be bothering about this name .

Yah's name in KJV below , have not manage to find more Yah tho :cityh:

Psalms 68

3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.

4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.

5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.

( There is no J in Hebrew it's Y sound instead i believe )

SoldierOfTheKing · Jun 1, 2018

God was never known by the name YHWH to Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. (Exodus 6:3)

Inkfingers · Jun 1, 2018

Interesting discovery...

Alah, in hebrew, means "to ascend", "exalted", and "to lift oneself" - Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

Which reminds me of Isaiah 14:13-14

Not David · Oct 3, 2018

Jews and Muslims don't believe in the same God as us. If we say that, then we deny both God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

FireDragon76 · Oct 4, 2018

PloverWing said:
The Name of God isn't the problem. Whether we talk about God in English or Arabic or Hebrew, there is only the one God.

The problem is that people deeply misunderstand God and sometimes do evil things in God's name.

The situation you describe in Belgium is like if I shot someone here in the US and yelled "Glory to God!" or "Jesus is Lord!" as I was doing it. The problem isn't with my words in themselves; the problem is in the terrible action, and the abhorrent notion that God approves of such an action.

People have done horrible things in God's name. Scott Roeder, Eric Rudolph, Paul Hill, are all examples of Christians that killed in the name of God.

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