A Day Without Sinning

Tree of Life said:

Since the fall, no mere man is able perfectly to obey the commands of God, but does daily break them in thought, word, and deed.

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which is why I said in the power of the indwelling HS and that that was encouraged by self discipline but self discipline itself was not enough....hum.....I wonder what in my words is so convicting that so many are struggling with them?

AKWarrior said:

Outside of being in a coma (which I'm sure some people would consider sinful for some reason), can a full-grown adult be spiritually disciplined enough to go one or more consecutive days without sinning inwardly and outwardly?

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Yes one person manage to be sinless for 33 years .

RaymondG said:

Someone found this bible quote optimistic..... Let me give another optimistic bible quote:

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

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1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

When God saved you he gave you birth of spirit and spirit of God does not sin , but he is not murderer and did not murder your old fleshly one birth from woman , so that one will die while the second one will never sin and will be risen up from grave .

That's why Christians fight flesh . It cannot inherit .
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Your flesh will always sin but spirit can't .

razzelflabben said:

Just because the flesh is weak does not mean I have to give into it...that is the point.

Look at the OP question...can we go one or more consecutive days without sin. To argue that I am wrong is to argue that God does not have the power to keep us from temptation for one or more days in a row....why then are we taught by Christ Himself to pray that God would keep us from temptation? (Lord's prayer) Of course we can be without sin for one or more consecutive days in the power of the Living God...that does not mean we do so...just because we sin from time to time does not mean that we can't or haven't gone one or more days in the power of the Living God without sin.

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Peace to you.

I'm afraid you really aren't understanding my meaning. And that's ok.

God be with you.

You act like admitting that God has the power to keep us from sin that it somehow diminishes our need to confess and repent when we do sin which is something I find very distasteful which might be why we are still discussing this.

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It almost seems you are responding to someone else. I said nothing at all about any of these things.

AKWarrior said:

Outside of being in a coma (which I'm sure some people would consider sinful for some reason), can a full-grown adult be spiritually disciplined enough to go one or more consecutive days without sinning inwardly and outwardly?

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Yes. The Lord doesn't ask that much of us.

RaymondG said:

To tell someone that it is not possible to stop sinning, and that trying not to, is ok.......is the same as condoling the occasional sin.



Maybe God put this issue in his heart to ponder......Maybe God is trying to set him apart for His work. Maybe you hindered God's plan by introducing the idea that sin is ok if done in moderation and that every "saved" person does it and cant stop.



I appreciate your doubts, as it assures me that I Am closer to the path that few find.
You cannot get me to boost about God's workings. I will say this, however..... I do not push my shortcomings on others. Even if I found that I cant do something...I would still encourage you to do it. It would be selfish of me to try to hold you back from God's blessings because i could not live up to the standards.

So it matters not whether or not I sin...I still encourage you to "Be Ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect"

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I'll give it my best shot.

razzelflabben said:

what do you not understand about my posts or are you just trying to be inflammatory and insulting?

Like everyone in the world, I still live in the flesh...I still battle the fleshly desires...we all do but doing battle means that we have been given the tools to overcome and that is all we are talking about here.

In relation to what I am actually saying without your reinterpretations applied, you are saying that God has not given us the power to not sin so anytime temptation comes just give in cause God doesn't really care....I do NOT think for a moment that you really believe that, but hey, maybe you do...please, clarify for us your position since you can't accurately represent mine.

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My post is number 4.
You can take it or leave it.

dreadnought said:

Yes. The Lord doesn't ask that much of us.

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Which day was it that you didn't sin?

Chinchilla said:

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

When God saved you he gave you birth of spirit and spirit of God does not sin , but he is not murderer and did not murder your old fleshly one birth from woman , so that one will die while the second one will never sin and will be risen up from grave .

That's why Christians fight flesh . It cannot inherit .
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Your flesh will always sin but spirit can't .

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You were doing good until you added your interpretation.....You should have left it with just the scripture. If you felt you were correcting or going against my post....You were going against God and scripture, as I only quoted a verse without no opinion.

GodsGrace101 said:

Which day was it that you didn't sin?

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Maybe I should ask you to define sin. I would define sin as breaking a commandment of the Lord. I have broken his commandments, but I'm not aware that I broke one yesterday.

~Anastasia~ said:

But it is essentially impossible to reach perfection while in the flesh.

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That is just the point then isn't it?

Rom. 8:8,9
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

frater_domus said:

Check Romans 7:18-20 for that. Paul addresses the issue of us never being able to be free from sin while we inhabit our flesh. Even the most devout Christian will stumble from time to time. What matters is that we come back in repentance.
It does not mean that we may grow lax and sin. No. We must fight it. What I am saying is that we will never be fully victorious until the very end, when we will enter a world that is free from sin.

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Why is it you do not understand nor do you believe, we are not in the flesh any longer but in the Spirit.


Rom. 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Right there it is, there isn't any wiggle room in this verse, for it says, if you do not have the Holy Spirit, you are none of His.

Now you tell me, do you have the Holy Spirit.....Yes - - No?

By answering truthfully, you have sealed your future.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

It isn't you any more.

Our living in the flesh in relation to this verse means, our Physical body the meat on our bones.

The Flesh which has been destroyed is the Sin Nature, "The Old Man"

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Gal. 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

This then is the flesh which has been destroyed.

Chinchilla said:

Yes one person manage to be sinless for 33 years .

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And how about you, are you in Christ, were you Born Again?

Rom. 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Chinchilla said:

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

When God saved you he gave you birth of spirit and spirit of God does not sin , but he is not murderer and did not murder your old fleshly one birth from woman , so that one will die while the second one will never sin and will be risen up from grave .

That's why Christians fight flesh . It cannot inherit .
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Your flesh will always sin but spirit can't .

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You just don't understand the difference between, our Flesh, and the Flesh.

JIMINZ said:

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That is just the point then isn't it?

Rom. 8:8,9
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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That's not exactly what I meant, though I do see your point.

I meant that it is essentially impossible to be perfectly sinless when we are living in this life. If someone thinks that they are sinless, they don't have a full understanding of the definition of sin.

Though we certainly should be freed from gross sins.

Chinchilla said:

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

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I have a question, maybe you are able answer it for me.

John wrote an Epistle, and in that Epistle he said.

1 Jn. 1:5-10)
5) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

John continuing to write this Epistle arrived at a point in his writings where he directly Contradicted himself.

1 Jn. 3:1-10
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Now, there needs to be a reconciling of these verses, if they cannot be reconciled, then everything John wrote is false.

I believe they are reconcilable, mainly because there isn't one verse in the entire Bible which contradicts another.

It all comes down to understanding.

If you believe that what John said in 1 John 1:5-10 is the truth about the Born Again Christian, then there isn't any need to go further in Johns writings, because you will come to this Contradiction in 1 John 3:1-10.

If John is speaking truth in chapter 1, why then when he reaches Chapter three is he lying.?

~Anastasia~ said:

That's not exactly what I meant, though I do see your point.

I meant that it is essentially impossible to be perfectly sinless when we are living in this life. If someone thinks that they are sinless, they don't have a full understanding of the definition of sin.

Though we certainly should be freed from gross sins.

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Your trying to categorize sin, according to severity, where we know, all sin has a death penalty.

You have opened this door, so I leave it up to you to give the full understanding of the definition of sin, that I am better able to understand what it is your saying, and the discussion doesn't get bogged down in misunderstandings.

JIMINZ said:

Your trying to categorize sin, according to severity, where we know, all sin has a death penalty.

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I'm not discussing any "penalty" for sin. Sin is indeed that which moves us further from God, makes us more unlike Christ. But I think most would agree that some sins move us further from God, makes us more unlike Christ - than other sins do, even though they are all sin (missing the mark).

You have opened this door, so I leave it up to you to give the full understanding of the definition of sin, that I am better able to understand what it is your saying, and the discussion doesn't get bogged down in misunderstandings.

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Thank you, that is indeed necessary to answer the OP's question, and so I brought it into my first post on the subject. You are quite right that without being sure we are talking about the same thing, it's very easy to get drawn into misunderstandings.

~Anastasia~ said:

It usually comes down to how you define "sin".

Those who consider only gross, intentional sin - lying, stealing, hurting others, gossip, etc. and maybe even extending to such things as dwelling for a moment in coveting - will usually say yes. We should become purified and avoid those types of sin.

But the real definition of sin/hamartia is "missing the mark" and that mark is Christ Himself.

Do we measure up to Christ's own purity of heart? Do we always at every minute of the day and night love God with ALL of our heart, soul, strength, and mind? Are we so free of the vice of pride that we feel not even a momentary flash of offense when our "rights" are violated in some way (I'm talking about someone cutting you off in traffic or moving ahead of you in line, not an actual social injustice where human rights should be championed). And so on. If we are sensitive enough to the holiness of God, we will recognize that we are plagued frequently by sinful thoughts and inclinations, though hopefully our outward deeds and words can become to a degree sanctified.

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I hope that explains a bit better.

As we become more and more purified of sin and draw closer to God, the irony is that smaller and smaller shortcomings become more apparent to us, and distress us even more, when in our past state we might not have been sensitive enough to recognize these slight missteps as "sin" at all. Falling short of Christ in our thoughts and the leanings of our heart is very difficult to perfectly purge. So because of this, I would say that we can expect to continue to fall short of the very perfection in Christ Jesus while we are living in this life.

However, the Holy Spirit does give is the grace and the desire to avoid sin, to please God, to become like Christ. This should serve to develop a degree of purification, such that no sin in our actions or words might be apparent to anyone.

But if our thoughts and attachments are fully recognized and examined - imperfection would indeed be found. And those that are the closest to God, the most purified, will be the most painfully aware of them.

But knowing that we ourselves can do nothing apart from the grace of God, if we are properly disposed, it serves not to push us into despair (it is pride to expect anything else of ourselves) ... but rather it serves to make us ever more aware of our dependence upon God and His help.

~Anastasia~ said:

But it is essentially impossible to reach perfection while in the flesh. Again, it comes down to definitions, and how sensitive one is to God's own degree of holiness.

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Going back to your original post to which I first responded.

When Paul speaks of "The Old Man" what is he actually speaking about?

Rom. 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Col. 3:9
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

JIMINZ said:

Going back to your original post to which I first responded.

When Paul speaks of "The Old Man" what is he actually speaking about?

Rom. 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Col. 3:9
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

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The old man is what we were before we began to cooperate with the grace of God. Liars, thieves, murderers, or what have you - simply covetous backbiters maybe.

There is usually a large change that comes immediately with turning to God - the "new creation". The putting off of the old man.

But the new man still needs more healing, more transformation. And that is rarely perfected in life.