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Revelation does not mention Pharisees. The Pharisees murdered the prophets. They had their judgement by the time Revelation was written. Papal Rome is the city on the seven hills that has been drunk with the blood of millions of saints.

Jerusalem is a city on 7 hills, whose parentage was Hittite and Amorite. And Jesus says Jerusalem is the city where prophets go to be murdered. Babylon is Jerusalem, being run by the Esau/Phariseee. Jesus says that He would send Jerusalem prophets... and in the streets of that great city where Jesus was killed by the chief priests and Pharisees, the two witnesses will be killed, filling up the cup of wrath that Jerusalem will be made to drink. It is upon the kingdom of these Beasts that the vials of wrath are poured out full strength. And it is to Jerusalem that the frogs will call their merchant priest-kings. God says that in these last days, Esau will be holding the scepter, doesn't He? If the drunkards of Ephraim are in charge, they are the figurehead miry clay part on the foot of the iron beast.

Come out of her, My people... God says to those real Hebrews, who seem to have forgotten, because the birthright comes from their father. Who knows who the Hebrews really are today? But come out of Jerusalem, anyone who loves God. And leaving Rome probably isn't such a bad thing, either, since Rome is also Esau.
 
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I've been thinking about those 10 kings. Before the 7th, it isn't so hard to see which nations have done the most damage to Israel. These 7 kings representing their kingdoms are carved in stone, and all that remains for us to do is figure out who the last 3 are. The 8th which is part of the 7 is not part of the 10.

I am thinking that these 3 kings representing their kingdoms are Gomerian Europe, Javanian Britain, and the Americans. These 3 are very easily seen to be clay puppets in the hand of Jerusalem. Gomer's hordes are right now being pulverized by the iron fist which opened the doors to the prisons and let the animals loose on Europe. When they can at last shake free of the delusion, they will see the hand of Jerusalem that has martyred the entire white race of Europe. Their king and queen puppets will be removed, and they will be given a free hand in rescuing their nations from the barbarian hordes of Attila who are pretending to be middle-eastern. The same thing may be said of Mexico et al.
 
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So then... you agree with me? that if your father is a Hebrew, you are a Hebrew. Has hell frozen over, or am I misreading you, BAB2?



Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Mat 1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
Mat 1:3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
Mat 1:4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
Mat 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
Mat 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
Mat 1:7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
Mat 1:8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
Mat 1:9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
Mat 1:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
Mat 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
Mat 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
Mat 1:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
Mat 1:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
Mat 1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

That would be true in the bloodline found above.

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That would be true in the bloodline found above.
But that was the genealogy of Joseph and Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus. So if it was through the father, I suppose Jesus wasn't a Jew

The genealogy of Mary.
  • Luke 3:23 Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
  • 24Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
  • 25Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
  • 26Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
  • 27Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
  • 28Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
  • 29Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
  • 30Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
  • 31Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
  • 32Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
  • 33Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
  • 34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
  • 35Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
  • 36Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
  • 37Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
  • 38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
 
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Apparently the Apostle Matthew didn't recognize heritage through the mother. Luke sems to have been either a Roman or a Greek, and they probably did accept it... as do the Jews of today, oddly, or not so much.

The Jews of the day would have known Joseph and Mary to be members of David's house. The birthright of David was key to Messianic prophecy. Which is why Jesus came unto His own, in the first place. They didn't reject Him because of His birth. In fact, Jesus tells us that they knew He was the Son and they killed Him for His inheritance. What inheritance did they kill Him for? That of the house of David. Would they have had to kill Jesus because of the inheritance of the Davidic Kingdom if they themselves were Judahites?

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I'm not speaking of the common man, here, I'm talking about the leadership of Judaea in those, and these days. Leadership of a country is all too often foreign, throughout all of recorded history.
But history is written by these invaders, and they claim indigenous status by burning the books of their newly-created serfs. And their priesthoods create mythology to replace the truth.
 
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Didn't the Judeans become mixed with Esau, according to an uncanonized book? or was it only according to Josephus or the Jewish Encyclopedia that the Jews and Esau became one and the same?
This is correct. The people who call themselves Jewish, are from many racial origins.
All the genealogical records were destroyed when the temple was burned in 70 AD. So today, as always, anyone who professes Judaism can be called a Jew.
The Herodian kings of the Jews, were from Edomite stock and many of their kin are the ancestors of the Jewish people now.
The Jewish Encyclopedia states that: 'Edom is modern Jewry'.

It is God's will, that all of ancient Israel has been scattered among the nations. But He knows who and where they are. Amos 9:9
They constitute the bulk of Christianity. Jesus' mission to the lost people of Israel did not fail and it will be them; people from every nation and language, who will occupy all of the holy Land during the period before Jesus Returns and during the Millennium.
 
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This is correct. The people who call themselves Jewish, are from many racial origins.
All the genealogical records were destroyed when the temple was burned in 70 AD. So today, as always, anyone who professes Judaism can be called a Jew.
The Herodian kings of the Jews, were from Edomite stock and many of their kin are the ancestors of the Jewish people now.
The Jewish Encyclopedia states that: 'Edom is modern Jewry'.

It is God's will, that all of ancient Israel has been scattered among the nations. But He knows who and where they are. Amos 9:9
They constitute the bulk of Christianity. Jesus' mission to the lost people of Israel did not fail and it will be them; people from every nation and language, who will occupy all of the holy Land during the period before Jesus Returns and during the Millennium.

Great post, keras.

Which probably means that the chief priests and Pharisees were Herodians as well. We serfs rarely get to see what's in the works before there's no way to keep it from happening to us.

And your last paragraph speaks to my heart. I am not one of those 'give your entire country to Israel via the lost tribes' mythology, though. The sort of idiocy that calls everything with the name Dan as if it's belonging to the tribe of Dan, must never have known that DAN is a Cymraeg word. Replacement theology in all of its forms is a repulsive covetousness. Which begs the question, who stands to gain in that soon-event? Who will throw their (nations, nationality, and) crowns at the feet of the Esau Beast?

Jesus tells us that the church is sown with the seeds of the enemy, so that even knowing who is called Christian is no clue to the uninformed; hidden in plain sight.
 
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Apparently the Apostle Matthew didn't recognize heritage through the mother. Luke sems to have been either a Roman or a Greek, and they probably did accept it... as do the Jews of today, oddly, or not so much.

The Jews of the day would have known Joseph and Mary to be members of David's house. The birthright of David was key to Messianic prophecy. Which is why Jesus came unto His own, in the first place. They didn't reject Him because of His birth. In fact, Jesus tells us that they knew He was the Son and they killed Him for His inheritance. What inheritance did they kill Him for? That of the house of David. Would they have had to kill Jesus because of the inheritance of the Davidic Kingdom if they themselves were Judahites?

If the genealogy in Matthew was the genealogy of Jesus, he couldn't be king of the Jews.
  • Jeremiah 36:30 Therefore thus saith the LORD of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.
Matthew's genealogy comes through Jehoiakim. The genealogy of Luke is for Mary. Mary is not a descendant Jehoiakim as she is descended from Nathan
 
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If the genealogy in Matthew was the genealogy of Jesus, he couldn't be king of the Jews.
  • Jeremiah 36:30 Therefore thus saith the LORD of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.
Matthew's genealogy comes through Jehoiakim. The genealogy of Luke is for Mary. Mary is not a descendant Jehoiakim as she is descended from Nathan

"Jechonias begat Salathiel"... but doesn't your verse mean that the king's line would end there? It doesn't seem to have done that, if King Jehoiakim is really Matthew's Jechonias.
 
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But that was the genealogy of Joseph and Joseph wasn't the father of Jesus. So if it was through the father, I suppose Jesus wasn't a Jew

The genealogy of Mary.
  • Luke 3:23 Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
  • 24Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
  • 25Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
  • 26Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
  • 27Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
  • 28Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
  • 29Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
  • 30Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
  • 31Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
  • 32Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
  • 33Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
  • 34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
  • 35Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
  • 36Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
  • 37Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
  • 38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Joseph was His adopted father, who raised Him as his own child.

Both Joseph and Mary were descended from Judah.

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"Jechonias begat Salathiel"... but doesn't your verse mean that the king's line would end there? It doesn't seem to have done that, if King Jehoiakim is really Matthew's Jechonias.

Salathiel was not king. Jehoiakim was the brother of Jecho

  • Matthew 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
Elakim was the brother of Jehoahaz (Jechonias) and the king of Egypt changed his name to Jehoiakim and made him king.

But I see your point. According to your view, Jehoahaz was the last king

  • 2 Chronicles 1 Then the people of the land took Jehoahaz the son of Josiah, and made him king in his father's stead in Jerusalem.
  • 2Jehoahaz was twenty and three years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem.
  • 3And the king of Egypt put him down at Jerusalem, and condemned the land in an hundred talents of silver and a talent of gold.
  • 4And the king of Egypt made Eliakim his brother king over Judah and Jerusalem, and turned his name to Jehoiakim. And Necho took Jehoahaz his brother, and carried him to Egypt.
  • 5Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD his God.
  • 6Against him came up Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and bound him in fetters, to carry him to Babylon.
  • 7Nebuchadnezzar also carried of the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon, and put them in his temple at Babylon.
  • 8Now the rest of the acts of Jehoiakim, and his abominations which he did, and that which w:as found in him, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.
 
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Joseph was His adopted father, who raised Him as his own child.

Both Joseph and Mary were descended from Judah.
They were. Both were descended from David, one through Solomon, and the other through Nathan, bypassing all the kings that did evil.
 
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Salathiel was not king. Jehoiakim was the brother of Jecho

  • Matthew 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
Elakim was the brother of Jehoahaz (Jechonias) and the king of Egypt changed his name to Jehoiakim and made him king.

But I see your point. According to your view, Jehoahaz was the last king

  • 2 Chronicles 1 Then the people of the land took Jehoahaz the son of Josiah, and made him king in his father's stead in Jerusalem.
  • 2Jehoahaz was twenty and three years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem.
  • 3And the king of Egypt put him down at Jerusalem, and condemned the land in an hundred talents of silver and a talent of gold.
  • 4And the king of Egypt made Eliakim his brother king over Judah and Jerusalem, and turned his name to Jehoiakim. And Necho took Jehoahaz his brother, and carried him to Egypt.
  • 5Jehoiakim was twenty and five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned eleven years in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD his God.
  • 6Against him came up Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and bound him in fetters, to carry him to Babylon.
  • 7Nebuchadnezzar also carried of the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon, and put them in his temple at Babylon.
  • 8Now the rest of the acts of Jehoiakim, and his abominations which he did, and that which w:as found in him, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.

:doh:I see that now, thank you so much. But you're right about me thinking that Jehoiakim was the last king. I'm not entirely sure that Judah ever returned from Babylon, given the mixed bag of heritages that came back. Do I want to find out if they were counting by fathers? or is that where matriarchy began... I have to confess that ancestor lists make my brain bleed. And I've read from Jubainville's 'First Inhabitants' that Troy was Assyrian... so, what ever happened to the lost tribes of Israel? Since Assyria was already Semitic, the language was not a problem. Is this part of the reason that Jesus sent the letters to Asia Minor?

Oh... one more thing. Since we now know that heritage comes from the father, because Rahab and Ruth made no difference... what races were represented in the 12 tribes? If Leah had weak eyes, does that mean her eyes were blue, or that she squinted? And were the concubine servants Hebrews? How easy it would be to lose an entire nation where the genetics are unknown. Dictys of Crete tells us that the Trojans came in all shapes and colors.
 
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The Abomination appears to be The Against-Christ.
Anti Christ does not only mean against Christ, but the main meaning is "In place of Christ." or Vice Christ, The papacy as his claimed "Vicar of Christ." fulfills that.
 
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  • 1 Peter:1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
Strangers means foreigners. Not Jews.
1 Peter 1:1 From Peter, Apostle of Jesus Christ to the scattered people of God, now living in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bythnia. REBible
They were not 'strangers', but Israelites, of the dispersion, as John 7:35 tells us.

Some may have been Jews, but most were from the other tribes of Israel. As the Jewish historian Josephus and the Bible says: The ten tribes of the House of Israel are an uncountable multitude, still scattered among the nations.
THEY are the people who have mainly become Christians, exactly as Jesus intended.
I have come to save the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Matthew 15:24
Jesus did not fail; we Christians are the Israelites of God.
 
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So then, for you, Revelation is finished. I talked to a man a decade or so ago who thought the same thing. He went off looking for proof to back up his theory and was never heard from again.
No it is ongoing.
 
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