The number 666, where does it come from?

dqhall said:

According to Eusebius, the author of Ecclesiastical History, Nero blamed the fire of Rome on the Christians. He arrested Christians and set them on fire in his gardens like human torches. Paul may have been executed about 68 AD during the reign of Nero. Some of the first Christians like Peter and Paul were also Jewish. Nero unleashed anger against the Jews as well because they revolted against Rome. General Vespasian had to be dispatched with an army to put down the revolt. Nero died in 68. Vespasian was promoted to emperor.

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Do you think the owners of the Cleveland Cavaliers would require everyone attending the NBA Finals to enter the arena to have a "Lebron James 23" Jersey on, because they see it as a bad thing to do?

If not, why would you think the beast and the false prophet require everyone to have 666, the mark, or the name? It is some thing they are going to come up with - not Christians using 666 to secretly refer to Nero.

Douggg said:

You are not getting that the number 666 has significance for some reason to them who are going to require it. It is not a Christian code term. It is a beast and false prophet code term. They are the ones who are going to require it on peoples' hands or foreheads. It is a literal number.

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Let me know when you find that literal number. (Chuckle!)

Douggg said:

TS, you need to learn how to compose a post that is not laced with these "!".

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Deal with it!

TribulationSigns said:

Deal with it!

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I see you are handling it rather well....

Douggg said:

I see you are handling it rather well....

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Quasar92 said:

Review the many English translations of the Bible at the following link refute you: By stating the number of the beast is that of a man!

Revelation 13:18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.

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You need to study original greek word, anthrōpou, which means "of man" found elsewhere in Scripture. Look it up! It is your modern English translators who have added "a" to it.

Yes, the number o a man is from the number 666 in Rev.13:18, as posted in the OP. From which the calculation from the Hebrew alpha numerical perfectly identifies him as the that of Nero.

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Still dancing with Nero? I see that you based the calculation with "Hebrew alpha numberical"-- By adding a number to each letter. That is not what God said. He said to count that number itself!

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach eschatology, or the Bible

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You have asked that question before many times which I have answered already. Either it must have to do with your age or you did not like the answer.

Quasar92 said:

I have no need to do the studying I've done previously, again. Nor do I accept eschatological nor Bible advice from anyone who has not earned the teaching qualifications to do so. Capiche?!


Quasar92

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Are you sure you don't mean Cappuchino instead of Capiche?

Setting that issue aside....

Q, what I want to know from you is - do you realize that it is the beast and false prophet are the ones who are going to require the 666, or the name, or the mark on people's hands or foreheads?

It is not a secret code Christians use to refer to the beast. Nothing to do with Nero.

The beast and the false prophet are going to require it.

Douggg said:

The 666 has to be visible on peoples' hands or foreheads in order for the buy or sell system to operate.

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Says who? You as a carnal man or God?

A person comes up to the sales counter and the clerk doesn't see 666, the mark, or the name on the person - no sale, according to the law in that day.

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Do you think these false prophets work in department stores and supermarkets and have the power to restrict people buying goods unless they are literally marked in the head and hand? Seriously!? This is what God warned us about?

Of course not! The false prophets work in churches, and that is where their buying and selling is done! The gospel of Christ isn't about world politics, computer chips, or economics, it's about the word of God in salvation and judgment. This symbolic language found in Revelation is imagery illustrating false prophets make evil merchandise of the gospel. This is the false doctrine they are trying to sell to deceive people of the congregation! In order for them to buy or sell their lies, they must have the mark of the beast on their right hand (will) or forehead (mind) to become owned by Satan! They will become part of the spiritual family of Satan. The elect will refuse because they are secured (sealed) by God and they will know false doctrine when they hear it. When they "see" the abomination of desolation in their church, they will leave, so the rest will be judged by God to believe the lies that comes out of the mouth of false prophets and christs.

TribulationSigns said:

Do you think these false prophets work in department stores and supermarkets and have the power to restrict people buying goods unless they are literally marked in the head and hand? Seriously!? This is what God warned us about?

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Not false prophets in general are going to require it. I don't know where you would get that idea from. The false prophet (the beast coming out of the earth) and the beast (coming out of the sea) are going to require it.

No one will be allowed to buy or sell without the 666, the name of the beast, or the mark in the forehead or hand. It will be the law upon the earth.

Daniel 8:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Douggg said:

The beast and the false prophet are going to require it.

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Please read the Scripture:

Revelation 13:15-17
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Who is "he" that caused all to receive the mark? According to context, it is the beast with two horns like a lamb. This beast is the body of false prophets and christs who will force on people of the congregation who have NOT yet sealed by God within His House!

Revelation 9:4-6
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

The grass, green thing, and trees all represent the people of the congregation, both True Elect, and Professed Christians. God has instructed the locusts, the body of the beast (false prophets and christs), that they can't hurt his sealed Elect, but only those professed Christians who have not yet sealed (saved) so they will be deceived to believe a lie!

And it is already happening in the churches....if you have spiritual eyes to see! The wise virgins are the Elect because they oil (holy spirit). The foolish virgins are the professed Christians who do not have oil. After they heard that Christ is coming, but not yet appeard, they all arose. But the professed Christians realized that they do not have oil. In other words, they may be christians but they are NOT SEALED by God! They asked the Elect to spare. But the Elect do not have enough to share, realized the signs that the salvation has ended! So they instructed the foolish to go to those who sells. The false prophets in their church! Didn't you read Scripture?

Matthew 25:8-9
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

This is the selling and buying that God is talking about! What will the foolish virgins actually buy if it is not the oil of salvation? It is the false doctrines of the false prophets and christs!

When Christ finally come, the foolish virgins will protest that they are Christians, went to church, buying and selling they THOUGHT is God's merchandise but were told that He do "not know them." IN other word, they were never sealed!

So its not buying and selling you thought it was that have teo do with buying food and drink at the supermarket!

Ron Gurley said:

Revelation 13:18 (NASB)
18 Here is wisdom.
Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, (anti-christ)
for the number is that of a MAN;
and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. (666)

Daniel 7:17...A VISION: spirits made flesh
‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.

Revelation 13:4
they worshiped the "dragon" (DEVIL,SATAN,SERPENT,ETC.) because he gave his authority to the "beast"(ANTI-CHRIST);
and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”

Revelation 19:20 [ Doom of the "Beast" (ANTI-CHRIST) and "False Prophet" (ANTI-SPIRIT) ]
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence,
by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the "lake of fire" which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10..the unholy spirit men
And the devil (DRAGON,SATAN,SERPENT,ETC.) who deceived them was thrown into the :lake of fire and brimstone", where the "Beast" (ANTI-CHRIST) and the "False Prophet" (ANTI-SPIRIT) are also;
and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The beast, (anti-christ) is a supernatural "spirit-man", not Nero, and is future in time and events.

Daniel 11:31
Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. (anti-Christ)

Daniel 12:11
From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

Matthew 24:15 [ Perilous Times ]
“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

2 Thessalonians 2:3...
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it (second coming) will not come unless the apostasy (Falling Away comes first, and the man of lawlessness (anti-christ) is revealed, the son of destruction,...
only he (God the Holy Spirit) who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed
whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His (Second) coming

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You said.

Daniel 11:31
Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. (anti-Christ)

What does (anti-Christ) mean in reference to that passage (Dan 11:31)?

I thought the regular sacrifice was stopped on this occasion below.

Antiochus IV (Epiphanes), the king of Syria, captured Jerusalem in 167 BC and desecrated the Temple by offering the sacrifice of a pig on an altar to Zeus (the Abomination of Desolation).

Then again the regular sacrifice was stopped below.

The abomination that causes desolation can be defined by comparing Matthew 24:15-16 with Luke 21:20-21. The abomination that causes desolation is the Greek army of the second century B.C. and the Roman army of the first century A.D. with their foreign idols of Zeus and Jupiter, the Roman name for Zeus, that literally caused the desolation of Jerusalem. During the Maccabean Wars, the Greek army left Jerusalem desolate and placed an idol of Zeus on the Temple altar. During the Jewish War, Rome also laid waste to Israel. During the seven-year long war with Rome which truly ended at the fall of Masada on Passover of A.D. 74, the Roman army under Titus, the future emperor of Rome, besieged Jerusalem. In the very middle of this war, Titus put an end to sacrifice and offering by destroying Jerusalem and its Temple, and set up the Roman ensigns which were idols of Zeus and Rome on the eastern wing of the Temple in fulfillment of Daniel 9:26-27 (revelationrevolution.org)

How many times does that passage (Daniel 11:31) need to be fulfilled?

Douggg said:

NNo one will be allowed to buy or sell without the 666, the name of the beast, or the mark in the forehead or hand. It will be the law upon the earth.

Daniel 8:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

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The problem that you thought it has to do with buying and selling earthly merchandises which is NOT what God was referring to.

And it is God who equates those false prophets to buyers and sellers, thieves and robbers who are stealing from Him. This was "clearly illustrated" in the first advent of Christ. Remember when He came to Jerusalem, He threw the "Buyers and Sellers" out of the Holy Temple of God? This pointed to the fulfillment of the Old Testament Scripture prophesying of false prophets in the Lord's house. For example, God, not I, has equated the Buyers and Sellers of the Temple, to the false prophets who were prophesied to come and serve other gods in Israel. Consider Matthew and Jeremiah carefully:

Matthew 21:12-13

• "And Jesus went into the Temple of God, and cast out all them that Sold and Bought in the Temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers and the seats of them that SOLD DOVES,
• And said unto them, it is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

These buyers and sellers in the Temple fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah that false prophets would come and serve false gods in the House of the Lord, making it an abomination. And when Christ says "it is written," He is exhorting the faithful to search the Scriptures and discern the truth from "where" it is written.

Jeremiah 7:8-11

• "behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.
• will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;
• And come and stand before Me in this house, which is called by My name, and say, we are delivered to do all these abominations?
• is THIS HOUSE, which is called by My name, become a Den of Robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the Lord."

This is the passage that the Lord Jesus referenced illustrating that it was fulfilled as He threw the Buyers and Sellers out of the Lord's house. It's a word picture or 'type' of them being cut off from their God. To be thrown out of The Temple is a "sign" of this cutting off of Israel. These Buyers and Sellers were tokens of the false prophets of the Lord's house that Jeremiah spoke of. They had made the Lords House a house of lies and false gods. Moreover, indeed the Jews came and asked Jesus for a "sign" that would show them that He had authority to throw these buyers and sellers out of the temple. And Christ responded illustrating that the "sign" fulfillment, was that they would crucify Him.

John 2:18-19

• "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
• Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

They asked for a sign of His authority to cast the buyers and sellers out, and Christ told them what the sign would be. They would be cut off as Christ was cut off in His death for the sins of the people. The point here is, the Buyers and Sellers signified those of the Temple that was to be cut off. They would destroy Christ the Temple, and that would be the 'sign' of His authority to cast them out.

Thus in Revelation chapter 13, these Buyers and Sellers are symbolic of the very same people who would be cut off from their God because they make His house abominable. Therein lies the significance of them being marked of Satan and numbered with his name. It now fits perfectly how only "they" could be those who buy and sell as thieves and robbers, while the faithful in the House of God cannot. It has nothing whatsoever to do with economics or buying food at the stores. It has to do with carnality and spirituality of the Devil. Those who are deceived by false prophets to serve other gods in the House of the Lord, make evil merchandise of the church! And they are not thieves and robbers as Webster's dictionary or the world defines it, and not Buyers and Sellers as Webster's dictionary defines it, but as God defines it and as those with wisdom and understanding (a gift from God) have eyes to see and ears to hear the truth. Thieves are an illustration of those who come into the congregation with false teachings! Look again at what symbolism Jesus uses to illustrate this.

John 10:8

• "All that ever came before Me were thieves and Robbers: but the sheep did not hear them."

Was Jesus talking about literal thieves and robbers who His servants could not hear? Of course not! He is talking about false teachers who came to deceive the people of Israel into following them, and how God's true people wouldn't listen to them because they are already sealed by God, unlike the professed Christians! Jesus equates those false teachers to be thieves and robbers whom the true people of God (sheep) would not follow. Just as those verses in Matthew and Jeremiah points out. They are false teachers, prophets and leaders, out to deceive into serving other gods.

Selah!

TribulationSigns said:

Who is "he" that caused all to receive the mark? According to context, it is the beast with two horns like a lamb. This beast is the body of false prophets and christs who will force on people of the congregation who have NOT yet sealed by God within His House!

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Not body of false prophets - but the false prophet.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Quasar92 said:

The purpose of verse 18 in Rev.13 is one of identification of the number 666.

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Q, Revelation 13 has more verses than verse 18. And in verse 18, the purpose is to identify the name of the beast, perhaps before he becomes the beast.

It is in verse 17, that the number 666 is something that will be required by the beast and false prophet. Both the number and mark (see Revelation 14:11) have to do with the beast's name.

Revelation 13:16 And he [the false prophet, Q] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

To buy and sell, a person will have to have the beast's name - or the number of his name - or the mark of his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

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Nero was the sixth of the seven kings of Revelation 17:10. He was ruling at the time of John.

The person who becomes the seventh king, the little horn, who will reign for a short time, before being killed, then brought back to life, to reign as the 8th king, when he is called the beast.

Nero is not the beast. Nero was the last of the historic Julio-Claudians.

BABerean2 said:

He says the Bible is not accurate.

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What more do you need?

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The Prophet Jeremiah [staff edit] said, while in a state of prophetic oration, that the Torah (Law) was a "forgery" and that God never made covenants with Israel concerning animal sacrifices.

So, either Jeremiah is wrong or he's right, either way this alone proves that the Bible is not 100% factually accurate. [Staff edit].

Well the word was not written in English. Its not 666. Its 600,60,6. yet some other scrolls show 600,16,6. Each number means something. Its the number of his.. his name. Its a person that has a name. So many get lost on this. As if they KNOW who it is. Yet.. the restrainer is still holding back the lawless one. When He/it is removed then and only then will we know just who the Antichrist is and who the false prophet is. NO its not some person you dont like or agree with. That is not how this works