Is God just choosing one over the another?????????

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My Bible studies tell me that in order to do that one must at the very least be being called or preferably born again?

For the others have no desire to worship God as mentioned before their father is the devil.

So when did their father become the devil?

M-Bob
Sounds good to me. There is a drawing away from ones own understanding, by God, to consider a new Teacher. Then....a new birth is a consequence.

I feel that there are only two fathers....and you serve one or the other at any time.....But it is not about desire. The ones who the bible stated were children of the devil....genuinely believed they were serving the true and living God.....and didnt believe otherwise even after being told.

Narrow is the way and few find it......and most believe that they are on it.

If Jesus came and told us that our Father was the devil....We'd call him a lair and wish all sorts of bad things on Him as well.....and we wouldnt believe.....

The hardest thing to let go of, is our own beliefs.... yet the only way to know is to stop believing.......
 
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If you would please note.
I am probably much older than you and attended churches for most of my life that believe and teach exactly what you believe.

I need not to be schooled by you.

Thank you, Bob
Well Bob, it's apparent you do not like to talk to me.
OK. I'll stop writing to you.

BTW, I checked. I'm older than you are and probably have been a Christian longer than you have but what does that all matter?

You want to worship a God that picks and chooses who will go to heaven and who will go to hell?

Go right ahead.
 
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Well Bob, it's apparent you do not like to talk to me.
OK. I'll stop writing to you.

BTW, I checked. I'm older than you are and probably have been a Christian longer than you have but what does that all matter?

You want to worship a God that picks and chooses who will go to heaven and who will go to hell?

Go right ahead.

Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

2 Thessalonians 2:13
[ Stand Fast ] But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
 
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Paul and Peter also say were are chosen in Him by Him to be His own special people. As does Christ, He calls us His very own elect. Christ saves His people from their sins. that would be those whom He foreknew in love.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
 
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You want to worship a God that picks and chooses who will go to heaven and who will go to hell?

Go right ahead.

Before the Foundation of This earth he chose me (us) me and (you).
I'm ok with that.
Once it is understood -- makes one very grateful and humble.
If you think that you had a lot to do with it -- ok for you.
I think better knowing that Bob (had not much to do with it).
And that is what the bible teaches me -- PS I have many different study versions.
Note also -- not listening to ones who have studied each verse in the bible in detail for well over 50 or 60 years -- might leave one lacking?
Have a blessed day,
Bob

Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
 
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I also do not agree with the 'love less' theory...about Esau. Some people do not want to admit, God has enemies and hates them. Unless you were foreknown in love to God, you and God are at war, enmity with each other, as you follow the devil and you are not of the Father.

Romans 8
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And because of His Great Love for you, He made you alive who were dead.
Read Ephesians 2, none of that's according to anything good you have done, it is all about God's mercy and goodness to have such a great love only for some and not for others. God does this to prevent any ability of the flesh to boast back to God. The creature, (creation ) was subject to futility unwillingly.

so what do you make of Psalm 106:40, which is not about God's enemies, but His OWN PEOPLE?
 
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Paul and Peter also say were are chosen in Him by Him to be His own special people. As does Christ, He calls us His very own elect. Christ saves His people from their sins. that would be those whom He foreknew in love.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Please check out 1 Peter 1:1-2

1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.


God is a God of love and mercy. He gives to everyone the opportunity to be saved...
John 3:16

He FOREKNEW who would be saved...He did NOT pick and choose who would be saved and who would go to hell.
Would that be a God of love and mercy??

So we're all destined for hell. Great. So why didn't He pick ALL OF US to go to heaven with Him? Why pick out just a few?

1 Timothy 2:4
 
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Paul and Peter also say were are chosen in Him by Him to be His own special people. As does Christ, He calls us His very own elect. Christ saves His people from their sins. that would be those whom He foreknew in love.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Please see 1 Peter 2:5
5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

And who are the YOU ALSO?
You'll have to refer back to 1 Peter 1:1-2:
those who reside as aliens (believers) scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia who are chosen ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDE OF GOD.

God knew from the beginning of time who would choose Him.
God created time. He is OUTSIDE of time and can see from the beginning to the end of it.
 
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Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

2 Thessalonians 2:13
[ Stand Fast ] But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
For both verses you have posted...

God chose us from the beginning of the world to be saved by Jesus, we are IN HIM, and to be holy and blameless before Him by virtue of His Son.

Also, He chose to save us by sanctification by the Holy Spirit.
These verses state HOW we will be saved, not WHO will be saved.
Again...
John 3:16 WHOEVER...
 
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I don't need to watch that Bob.
Limited Atonement.

Jesus died only for the ones God picked to be saved.
Lucky folk.

So why didn't God just pick everybody and Jesus would not have had to die???

Why did Jesus have to die at all then???

Well, if you don't want to talk to me, you shouldn't post to me anymore.

Do you think I'm just learning about your theology now???
Could even be I've studied the bible as much as you, maybe more???
 
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Could even be I've studied the bible as much as you, maybe more???
That would be good.
See you over at the new thread I started title -- Who got your Saved?? POLL
Looking forward to seeing you over there.
MB
 
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Please see 1 Peter 2:5
5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

And who are the YOU ALSO?
You'll have to refer back to 1 Peter 1:1-2:
those who reside as aliens (believers) scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia who are chosen ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDE OF GOD.

God knew from the beginning of time who would choose Him.
God created time. He is OUTSIDE of time and can see from the beginning to the end of it.
If God chooses those who choose Christ on their own, then, the flesh would have reason to glory.
1 Corinthians 1:28-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 and the [a]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—
 
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For both verses you have posted...

God chose us from the beginning of the world to be saved by Jesus, we are IN HIM, and to be holy and blameless before Him by virtue of His Son.

Also, He chose to save us by sanctification by the Holy Spirit.
These verses state HOW we will be saved, not WHO will be saved.
Again...
John 3:16 WHOEVER...
Your answers do not say why people choose to believe in Christ, for example in John 1, it is not our will of the flesh that we were born of God, that was His will to save whoever actually is being saved.

The reason people choose to believe in Christ is because God enabled-granted them to come to Christ.
Those who are granted to come to Christ will believe in Christ, those not granted will not believe in Christ.
John 6
64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
 
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Please see 1 Peter 2:5
5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

And who are the YOU ALSO?
You'll have to refer back to 1 Peter 1:1-2:
those who reside as aliens (believers) scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia who are chosen ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDE OF GOD.

God knew from the beginning of time who would choose Him.
God created time. He is OUTSIDE of time and can see from the beginning to the end of it.
For whom He foreknew, He did also predestine to be conformed to the image of Christ. That foreknowledge is not about what they did, it is about them personally as in a relationship.
And 1 Peter 1 is very much about election and predestination.
Peter greets the beloved elect of God, who have been chosen according to God foreknowing them, (His foreknowledge). Elect means chosen of God for salvation, and because of that, He makes us holy by making us begotten again according to His mercy, (sanctified) and we are therefore obedient to the gospel message, and we receive the blood sprinkling of the atonement. We are chosen to be obedient to Jesus Christ and be forgiven all of our sins.

1 Peter 1 New International Version (NIV)
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Praise to God for a Living Hope
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

We are born again by His mercy, by grace you have been saved and that is not of yourself, it is God's gift lest any flesh should BOAST! God accomplishes this by the gift of faith to us.
 
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That would be good.
See you over at the new thread I started title -- Who got your Saved?? POLL
Looking forward to seeing you over there.
MB
LOL
I thought you didn't want to talk to me?
If I can find it, I'll be there.
 
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so what do you make of Psalm 106:40, which is not about God's enemies, but His OWN PEOPLE?

the New Covenant is built on much better promises of God. One is the eternal life and the indwelling Holy Spirit in his people, being joined as one spirit with Him.

Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
 
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If God chooses those who choose Christ on their own, then, the flesh would have reason to glory.
1 Corinthians 1:28-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 and the [a]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—
I'm sorry I don't have a reply for you.
I don't know anyone who glories in their own flesh.
We find glory in God,
just down a bit at verse 31...
"that, just as it is written, Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord."


I also like verse 4...
Paul thanks God concerning the believers for the grace of God which was given to them in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 10:31

Whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
 
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I thought you didn't want to talk to me?

I like communicating with you. A little conversation but, at times you seem to be a little harsh towards my thoughts and even the Bible I read????

Let's play nice now.

After all you are the nice lady trying to set the good example for The Wretched old man up top the mountain okay?

M-Bob
 
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the New Covenant is built on much better promises of God. One is the eternal life and the indwelling Holy Spirit in his people, being joined as one spirit with Him.

Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

when Paul wrote his Epistle to the Romans, it is under the New Covenant, this is what he tells Gentile Christians:

"13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

(chapter 11, verses 13-24)

Likewise in Hebrews chapter 3, also to believing Christians;

"7 So, as the Holy Spirit says:“Today, if you hear his voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness, 9 where your ancestors tested and tried me, though for forty years they saw what I did. 10 That is why I was angry with that generation; I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray and they have not known my ways.’ 11 So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end. 15 As has just been said: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.”16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief." (7-19)
 
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