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I've heard different points of view about Israel and Christianity
but what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel? This one
preacher John Haggee says it's mandatory, yet I hear other
opinions that focuses on replacement theology. What's going on?
Israel is God's chosen people. If you listen to anything or anybody, then look for yourself at the events that have occurred in the past 65 years on behalf of Israel and S-T-U-D-Y them. See the miracles that occurred in 1948. See the fulfillment of prophecy. See that these things happened in such a way that only God could have ordained. These people who say that Israel was replaced do not study. They take it from some other speaker who looked for a reason to remove Israel from their rightful place. Read them for yourself. Don't let anybody tell you yea or nae. It is your responsibility to discover these things on your own because you will be lied to and told differently as it was prophesied. They will have to pay for their failures but don't be one of them.

Genesis 12:1-3 “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
What does this say?
You can place everything on the saving Grace and the pure blood of Jesus, but you best also place the rest of everything on the fact that in those final days 144,000 (12,000 of each of the 12 tribes of Israel) Jews will rise to preach the gospel to Israel and it will be for the redemption of Israel and as it is said Jew and Gentile will be welcomed in Heaven.
Read Revelation 7
1. After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

These are of the Israel mentioned in Genesis and the 12 Tribes of Israel mentioned in Revelations and nothing has changed according to God. Man can say what they want to but you better be very careful. God will bless those who bless Israel and He will curse those who curse Israel. It is that simple.
 
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I've heard different points of view about Israel and Christianity
but what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel? This one
preacher John Haggee says it's mandatory, yet I hear other
opinions that focuses on replacement theology. What's going on?
I could be wrong, maybe he has changed, but last I looked into John Haggee's teachings he taught that the Jews were saved differently and did not need the gospel of Christ...which would make him a false teacher since salvation is only through Christ for Jew or Gentile. Despite that, I believe Christians are called to support Israel with prayer, sharing the gospel, and in other ways as God leads. God has a plan for the nation of Israel and the Jewish people and He does bless those who bless Israel.

Biblical Support for the Modern State of Israel
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Romans 11:28 ,
Many of the people of Israel are now enemies of the Good News, and this benefits you Gentiles.
Yet they are still the people He loves because He chose their ancestor's Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
29; For God's gifts and His call can never be withdrawn. 30; Once, you Gentile were rebels against God, but when the people of Israel rebelled against Him, God was merciful to you instead.
31; Now they are the rebels, and God's mercy has come to you so that they, too, will share in God's mercy. 32; For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so He could have mercy on everyone.
 
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If you believe Isreal treats people equality how do you explain this:

Meanwhile in Israel here is how non Jewish minorities are treated:
The events of a recent Friday night protest in Haifa are nothing out of the ordinary if you are a Palestinian citizen of Israel. Nineteen protesters in Haifa, joining the wave of demonstrations around the country, were arrested for precipitating public disturbance, a charge that the Jewish-led demonstrations did not receive. The detainees reported that the police beat them during the interrogations. Seven of the arrested were denied the medical care they needed, while the police postponed their right to legal representation.
Palestinians will never be equal in Israel
These aren’t demonstrations, these are full blown riots. I’d like to ask a Palestinian Christian that lives in the West Bank or Gaza if they’re allowed to receive Muslims or preach to them, ask any Palestinians Christian that question, in Israel they’d have the full freedom to do those things while under PA and Hamas they’re practically non existent.
 
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Support for Israel should stay strong and is very important.

I think that it would be a bad sign for the United States if our support for Israel should wean.

M-Bob
 
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These aren’t demonstrations, these are full blown riots. I’d like to ask a Palestinian Christian that lives in the West Bank or Gaza if they’re allowed to receive Muslims or preach to them, ask any Palestinians Christian that question, in Israel they’d have the full freedom to do those things while under PA and Hamas they’re practically non existent.
Well Iraqi Christians were certainly better off under Saddam than since 2003 with the US lead invasion. In addition Iraqi Christians were even given senior positions within the Iraqi government and military. Also you could freely go to a church without the real threat of terrorists blowing it up. Under Saddam at least one million Christians lived there but most Iraqi Christians have fled. Saddam was largely a secular leader, and now the country is dominated by Iran.

In Syria the US supported Islamist rebels to overthrow the secular leader. Before the civil war Christians lived in safety, and you could freely go to church as a Christian there without thinking terrorists will blow the church up, yet since foreign intervention so much Christians have fled. So US foreign interference did result in having a negative impact of Christians living in Iraq and Syria.
 
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God's pretty good at mathematics .. He knows his final number he's been waiting on and not until ..
Who are the Two Witnesses ? Moses , Elijah ? The Church both Jew and Gentile ? Will Israel be a part ?
Will all Gentiles be saved , all Jews ? God bless Israel !!!
 
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Well Iraqi Christians were certainly better off under Saddam than since 2003 with the US lead invasion. In addition Iraqi Christians were even given senior positions within the Iraqi government and military. Also you could freely go to a church without the real threat of terrorists blowing it up. Under Saddam at least one million Christians lived there but most Iraqi Christians have fled. Saddam was largely a secular leader, and now the country is dominated by Iran.

In Syria the US supported Islamist rebels to overthrow the secular leader. Before the civil war Christians lived in safety, and you could freely go to church as a Christian there without thinking terrorists will blow the church up, yet since foreign intervention so much Christians have fled. So US foreign interference did result in having a negative impact of Christians living in Iraq and Syria.
No they weren’t, Saddam Hussein was just as bloodthirsty towards Assyrians as Isis was, Bashar Al Assad is a bloodthirsty monster, he’s only a little better then Isis. You do know Saddam was an Islamist himself and had numerous Churches closed and Assyrians put in concentration camps. Christians were already leaving Iraq during Saddam’s reign of terror due to massive oppression by Islamists and Pan Arabists. Again your wrong, Iraqi Christians who kept on to their identity weren’t allowed in the government, Tariq Aziz had to change his name to an Arab name and some say he converted to Islam while helping Saddam Hussein murder his own people, either way all Iraqi Christians think of Tariq Aziz as a traitor. Syria and its Islamists had always been a problem, ever heard of the Hama massacre, it isn’t caused directly by the actions of the US, but by their allies the Gulf States, while the US repeatedly turns a blind eye to terror sponsoring from its friends. Your extremely mistaken when it comes to the Middle East, there is no good guy or legitimate leader in the Syrian civil war, Iraq has never been a safe have for Christians, it has just gone from bad to worse.
 
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No they weren’t, Saddam Hussein was just as bloodthirsty towards Assyrians as Isis was, Bashar Al Assad is a bloodthirsty monster, he’s only a little better then Isis. You do know Saddam was an Islamist himself and had numerous Churches closed and Assyrians put in concentration camps. Christians were already leaving Iraq during Saddam’s reign of terror due to massive oppression by Islamists and Pan Arabists. Again your wrong, Iraqi Christians who kept on to their identity weren’t allowed in the government, Tariq Aziz had to change his name to an Arab name and some say he converted to Islam while helping Saddam Hussein murder his own people, either way all Iraqi Christians think of Tariq Aziz as a traitor. Syria and its Islamists had always been a problem, ever heard of the Hama massacre, it isn’t caused directly by the actions of the US, but by their allies the Gulf States, while the US repeatedly turns a blind eye to terror sponsoring from its friends. Your extremely mistaken when it comes to the Middle East, there is no good guy or legitimate leader in the Syrian civil war, Iraq has never been a safe have for Christians, it has just gone from bad to worse.
Meanwhile there are Syrian Christians that are fighting for their town against the so called moderate Western backed rebels:

Here is another video of Syrian Christians supporting Assad:

Also last Easter in Aleppo for the first time in years. What changed? The Syrian army kicked out al-Qaeda, which had been occupying the eastern part of the city. So no, Christians will be much worse off if our “moderate terrorists” take control of Syria.http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arc...018/april/16/trump-s-disastrous-syria-attack/

So how can the US and the West back moderate rebels? Are they really moderate?

Saddam saw that Islamists were the greatest threat to his regime:
An ex-CIA agent asks what would have happened if Saddam had remained in power and comes to the conclusion that, among other outcomes, it would have made the rapid rise of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) almost impossible.

“It is improbable that a group like ISIS would have been able to enjoy the kind of success under his repressive regime that they have had under the Shia-led Baghdad government,” Nixon wrote.

According to the ex-agent, Saddam was well aware of the potential risks posed by the flourishing jihadist movements and was keen to suppress any such attempts. “Saddam felt that Islamist extremist groups in Iraq posed the biggest threat to his rule and his security apparatus worked assiduously to root out such threats.”

A recently published Chilcot report, conducted by British MPs on the country’s involvement in the 2003 Iraq war, backs Nixon’s assumption on IS.
If Saddam had remained in power, rise of ISIS ‘improbable’ – Hussein’s CIA interrogator
 
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Meanwhile there are Syrian Christians that are fighting for their town against the so called moderate Western backed rebels:

Here is another video of Syrian Christians supporting Assad:

Also last Easter in Aleppo for the first time in years. What changed? The Syrian army kicked out al-Qaeda, which had been occupying the eastern part of the city. So no, Christians will be much worse off if our “moderate terrorists” take control of Syria.Trump’s Disastrous Syria Attack

So how can the US and the West back moderate rebels? Are they really moderate?

Saddam saw that Islamists were the greatest threat to his regime:
An ex-CIA agent asks what would have happened if Saddam had remained in power and comes to the conclusion that, among other outcomes, it would have made the rapid rise of Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) almost impossible.

“It is improbable that a group like ISIS would have been able to enjoy the kind of success under his repressive regime that they have had under the Shia-led Baghdad government,” Nixon wrote.

According to the ex-agent, Saddam was well aware of the potential risks posed by the flourishing jihadist movements and was keen to suppress any such attempts. “Saddam felt that Islamist extremist groups in Iraq posed the biggest threat to his rule and his security apparatus worked assiduously to root out such threats.”

A recently published Chilcot report, conducted by British MPs on the country’s involvement in the 2003 Iraq war, backs Nixon’s assumption on IS.
If Saddam had remained in power, rise of ISIS ‘improbable’ – Hussein’s CIA interrogator
You do know how the Christian Phalange militia of Lebanon fought against the Syrian regime and its Palestinian proxies. Syrian Christian fight for Assad because it’s either him or Islamic barbarians that want to crucify and behead you, it’s not something that has to do with loyalty or love for Bashar Al Assad. Saddam Hussein was an Islamist himself and was aleardy loosing control of the country ever since the war with Iran, only a fool would believe the CIA.
 
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Why doesn’t the Syrian regime allow us Syriac Christians to speak our own language or teach it to our children. Syria bombed a pro western Christian leader who wanted nothing, but peace for his country into oblivion, RIP Bachir Gemayel. You expect us to love the Syrian regime?
 
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Why doesn’t the Syrian regime allow us Syriac Christians to speak our own language or teach it to our children. Syria bombed a pro western Christian leader who wanted nothing, but peace for his country into oblivion, RIP Bachir Gemayel. You expect us to love the Syrian regime?
I am so sorry for what is happening in Syria. I pray for the blessings and protection and provision for you and your community.
 
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I am so sorry for what is happening in Syria. I pray for the blessings and protection and provision for you and your community.
I’m not Syrian nor am I in Syria however, we are the same community.
 
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I've heard different points of view about Israel and Christianity
but what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel? This one
preacher John Haggee says it's mandatory, yet I hear other
opinions that focuses on replacement theology. What's going on?
Israel (the land) and Israel (the people) have promises pertaining to them by God which make them tied to us as well. It is replacement theology for a Christian to say he replaces Israel... the truth is, a Christian becomes part of God's Israel... His people, family. The Jews are too... He has a future plan for them, a revealing (Zech 12:10 perhaps?) but we will become one united family before our God, one day. So we should look toward Israel and the Jewish people with an idea of hope, love, and family.
 
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Well your post said "us Syriacs..." I'm confused. Your info does list you as being from Saudi Arabia, so that added confusion. To me, anyway.
Well I’m from here by nationality only, however I have ancestry that goes back to Lebanon, Iraq, and Egypt. So I am Syriac by ancestry.
 
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I've heard different points of view about Israel and Christianity
but what exactly is a christian's obligation to Israel? This one
preacher John Haggee says it's mandatory, yet I hear other
opinions that focuses on replacement theology. What's going on?

I do not know who John Hagee is. But I would tend to support a Jewish state of Israel and regard the return to Israel as spiritually significant. This is based on 3 simple facts.

1) God gave the land to the Hebrews
2) God preserved this people through 3000 years of persecution and pogroms and then brought them back to the land.
3) There are some 20-30000 Messianic Jews in Israel who are both Jewish heirs to the land promise and by virtue of being saved able to claim those promises in Christs name.

So i cannot see how replacement theology could be regarded as a credible Christian position.
 
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An unsupported assumption.

"The important thing is that whether the story is a true incident or a parable, the teaching behind it remains the same. Even if it is not a "real" story, it is realistic. Parable or not, Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the Gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied."

Is Luke 16:19-31 a parable or an account of events that actually occurred?
 
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