Mystery of the Knights Templar

Radagast · May 28, 2018

visionary said:
Not me, That goes to the Rothchilds who started the banking system back in the 1800's.

No, banking was around long before the Rothschilds.

visionary · May 28, 2018

Radagast said:
No, banking was around long before the Rothschilds.

Not on a international level and not outlasting their banking system. Banking before the Rothschilds was small and isolated.

Radagast · May 28, 2018

visionary said:
Not on a international level and not outlasting their banking system. Banking before the Rothschilds was small and isolated.

That's complete and utter nonsense. Why this obsession with the Rothschilds?

In the later part of their history, the Knights Templar (which is what this thread is about) ran an international banking operation as a sideline. It covered the area from England to the Holy Land.

Many of the Italian banks had international operations. For example, there was a bit of a crisis in the 1340s when King Edward III of England refused to repay loans to banks in Italy.

visionary · May 28, 2018

Radagast said:
That's complete and utter nonsense. Why this obsession with the Rothschilds?

In the later part of their history, the Knights Templar (which is what this thread is about) ran an international banking operation as a sideline. It covered the area from England to the Holy Land.

Many of the Italian banks had international operations. For example, there was a bit of a crisis in the 1340s when King Edward III of England refused to repay loans to banks in Italy.

I stand corrected.

Open Heart · May 29, 2018

Elihoenai said:
The history.com website link that you used for facts on Knights Templar is the History Channel website.

Ouch. A great mistake of mine. Thank you for pointing that out. I will not repeat that error.

tampasteve · May 29, 2018

Open Heart said:
Ouch. A great mistake of mine. Thank you for pointing that out. I will not repeat that error.

Which was a disappointing show

I was excited about it but could not make it through the second episode.

David Kent · May 29, 2018

Elihoenai said:
There appears to be consensus that the Knights Templar founded the modern banking system.

No, but I understood they founded the Masons.

David Kent · May 29, 2018

It is not likely that you can find an accurate history of the templars, but I guess the following is likely to be as good as you can get. Knights Templar - Wikipedia

Radagast · May 29, 2018

David Kent said:
No, but I understood they founded the Masons.

Perhaps you are thinking of the Sith?

Radagast · May 29, 2018

David Kent said:
It is not likely that you can find an accurate history of the templars, but I guess the following is likely to be as good as you can get. Knights Templar - Wikipedia

There are some good books, like this one:

Albion · May 29, 2018

Elihoenai said:
Maybe you shouldn't waste any tears on this secret order, as there is a rumour, that is likely to be true, that most of them escaped/went to Switzerland.

Or Scotland, or North America, or somewhere else--depending on which conspiracy theory tickles the fancy most.

David Kent · May 29, 2018

Like all crusaders, they were a murderous group who ended up attacking Christians like the Paulikians.

David Kent · May 29, 2018

Radagast said:
Perhaps you are thinking of the Sith?

No the Masons.

David Kent · May 29, 2018

Someone I worked with who tried to get me to join the Masons asked me to find out all I could about Solomon's temple. He said Solomon was the first Mason. He had many illustrations of the temple.

The Knight's Templar were also known as the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon, as well as the Order of Solomon's Temple.

Both are secret societies.

Elihoenai · May 30, 2018

visionary said:
Not me, That goes to the Rothchilds who started the banking system back in the 1800's.

Who are the Rothschilds? If they are German-Jewish, does that mean they are neither entirely German or entirely Jewish?

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Rothschild family

The Rothschild family is a wealthy family descending from Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812), a court factor to the German Landgraves of Hesse-Kassel in the Free City of Frankfurt, Holy Roman Empire, who established his banking business in the 1760s.[2] Unlike most previous court factors, Rothschild managed to bequeath his wealth and established an international banking family through his five sons,[3] who established themselves in London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, and Naples. The family was elevated to noble rank in the Holy Roman Empire and the United Kingdom.

Rothschild family - Wikipedia

"...Early Origins of the Rothschild family

The surname Rothschild was first found in Brunswick, where the name was anciently associated with the tribal conflicts of the area. They declared allegiances to many nobles and princes of early history, lending their influence in struggles for power and status within the region. They branched into many houses, and their contributions were sought by many leaders in their search for power...."

Rothschild Name Meaning, Family History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms

Elihoenai · May 30, 2018

Radagast said:
Apart from Matthew 25:27 and the history books?

"Modern" banking really dates from the northern Italian merchant bankers of the 11th century. The very word "bank" comes from the Italian "banco." The Italian banks gradually became larger and more sophisticated.

Independently of the Italian banking houses were the Jewish ones Later on you got people like the Templars, and eventually institutions like the Bank of Amsterdam.

Apparently, both the Northern Italian Merchants and Rothschilds are part of the Holy Roman Empire. Furthermore, the Knights Templar are said to be under Roman Catholic authority.

Lombardy

Etymology

The word Lombardy comes from Lombard, which in turn is derived from Late Latin Longobardus, Langobardus ("a Lombard"), derived from the Proto-Germanic elements *langaz + *bardaz; equivalent to long beard. Some sources derive the second element instead from Proto-Germanic *bardǭ, *barduz ("axe"), related to German Barte ("axe").[5]

During the early Middle Ages "Lombardy" referred to the Kingdom of the Lombards (Latin: Regnum Langobardorum), a kingdom ruled by the Germanic Lombards who had controlled most of Italy since their invasion of Byzantine Italy in 568. As such "Lombardy" and "Italy" were almost interchangeable; by the mid-8th century only the Papal possessions around Rome (roughly modern Lazio and northern Umbria), Venice and some Byzantine possessions in the south (southern Apulia and Calabria; some coastal settlements including Amalfi, Gaeta, Naples and Sorrento; Sicily and Sardinia) weren't controlled by the Lombards. The Kingdom was divided between Longobardia Major in the north and Langobardia Minor in the south, which were until the 8th century separated by the Byzantine Exarchate of Ravenna (roughly Romagna and northern Marche, and initially also Emilia and Liguria) and the Papacy (which was initially part of the Exarchate). During the late Middle Ages, after the fall of the northern part of the Kingdom to Charlemagne, the term shifted to mean Northern Italy. (See: Kingdom of Italy (Holy Roman Empire)). The term was also used until around 965 in the form Λογγοβαρδία (Longobardia) as the name for the territory roughly covering modern Apulia which the Byzantines had recovered from the Lombard [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Duchy of Benevento.

Lombardy - Wikipedia

Radagast · May 30, 2018

Elihoenai said:
Apparently, both the Northern Italian Merchants and Rothschilds are part of the Holy Roman Empire.

When you say "are part of," do you mean "were located in"?

Elihoenai said:
Furthermore, the Knights Templar are said to be under Roman Catholic authority.

They were a Roman Catholic monastic order, yes.

Radagast · May 30, 2018

David Kent said:
Like all crusaders, they were a murderous group who ended up attacking Christians like the Paulikians.

Not true.

David Kent · May 30, 2018

Radagast said:
Not true.

Absolutely true.

The Paulkians were an evangelical group, who the RCs falsely labeled as Manacheans. The Manachees were named as heretics, so naming any group as such meant that they could be persecuted without further investigation.

The Paulikians were mostly exiled to Europe mainly in a town called Philopolis. The began to be known as the Poplicani and later Publicani. Some moved westwards and some became the Bogomils in Bulgaria, and others joined with the Bohemian Brethren, others still with the Waldensians.

David Kent · May 30, 2018

I thought the main banking family was the Warburgs. Don't they own the Federal Reserve?

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