Pompeo Affirms, Reluctantly, That Russia Tried to Help Trump Win

tulc · May 26, 2018

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo acknowledged -- after prodding by lawmakers -- that he backs the finding by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia meddled in the U.S. presidential campaign to hurt Hillary Clinton and ultimately help Donald Trump.

Pompeo, who previously was Trump’s CIA director, was pressed by Democrats on whether he accepted that finding during testimony Wednesday before the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

tulc(KAG by electing the candidate Republican Americas best friend in the whole wide world, Russia most wanted to be President?)

Steve Petersen · May 26, 2018

Collusion? Still waiting for the evidence.

dqhall · May 26, 2018

tulc said:
Pompeo Affirms, Reluctantly, That Russia Tried to Help Trump Win

tulc(KAG by electing the candidate Americas enemies most wanted to be President?)

Trump accused a reporter of using a fake news source, when the source was a White House official speaking to a large group of reporters (AP):
Trump's 'phony' source turns out to be White House official

Micah888 · May 27, 2018

Steve Petersen said:
Collusion? Still waiting for the evidence.

There was ABSOLUTELY NO COLLUSION.

So all that Pompeo really said was that Russians were involved in trying to influence the election. What he should have added is that Obama was also trying to influence the Israeli elections at the same time, and he was definitely trying to interfere with Trump's election.

But the Russian efforts were hardly worth bothering with. Here is the real reason Crooked Hillary lost.

Voters really weren’t willing to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt. That’s largely because Clinton was viewed as dishonest and untrustworthy, exactly the sort of message that the Russian campaign (which used hashtags such as #Hillary4Prison) was trying to cultivate. Trump, of course, was trying to cultivate this message too.

Media coverage often struck the same themes. And voters sometimes heard variations on this theme from Sanders and his supporters in the more contentious moments of the Democratic primaries. Was some of this Clinton’s fault? Yep, of course.

Would Clinton still have been “Crooked Hillary” even without the Russians? Almost certainly. But the Russians were at least adding fuel to the right fire — the one that wound up consuming Clinton’s campaign.

How Much Did Russian Interference Affect The 2016 Election?

SoldierOfTheKing · May 27, 2018

tulc said:
tulc(KAG by electing the candidate Americas enemies most wanted to be President?)

Speak for yourself. You can view Russians as your enemies if you want. They are not America's enemies. They are certainly no enemies of mine. If they helped keep Clinton out of the White House, they have my deepest gratitude.

tulc · May 27, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Speak for yourself.

I always only speak for myself, why, who do you speak for? :scratch:

You can view Russians as your enemies if you want.

Ok, speaking for myself: Russia interfered in the American election to get the person they thought would be easier to manipulate into the office of the President. As such, I don't consider them a friend of the US, instead they're enemies. They're made stronger by making us weaker. :wave:

They are not America's enemies.

hmmm...Putin shows a video to his supporters of Russia raining down nuclear weapons on Florida, now I'm no big fan of Florida? But since it is part of the USA I'm thinking he see's the US as an enemy... :sorry:

Putin Plays Video That Appears To Show A Nuclear Strike On The US

They are certainly no enemies of mine.

...unless, apparently, you live in Florida. in which case you might want to rethink the whole "Putin's not my enemy!" idea.

If they helped keep Clinton out of the White House, they have my deepest gratitude.

As far I know Sec Clinton never threatened to rain down nuclear weapons on ANY parts of the US so while you might not care for her I get the impression she may not be the enemy that Putin and Russia would appear to be. :sorry:

tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

SoldierOfTheKing · May 27, 2018

tulc said:
Ok, speaking for myself: Russia interfered in the American election to get the person they thought would be easier to manipulate into the office of the President. As such, I don't consider them a friend of the US, instead they're enemies. They're made stronger by making us weaker.

Don't Russians have the right to speak their minds about the election like everybody else?

tulc said:
hmmm...Putin shows a video to his supporters of Russia raining down nuclear weapons on Florida, now I'm no big fan of Florida? But since it is part of the USA I'm thinking he see's the US as an enemy...

In the event that the US used nuclear weapons against Russia or Russian allies. At that point what else would Fortunately the President gave a no first strike pledge during the debate, something which neither his opponent nor his predecessor ever did.

tulc said:
As far I know Sec Clinton never threatened to rain down nuclear weapons on ANY parts of the US so while you might not care for her I get the impression she may not be the enemy that Putin and Russia would appear to be.

She did call for a no-fly zone over Syria, where Russia had significant military presence, including some of its best air defense artillery. Russia would doubtless shoot those planes down, which could well have escalated into WWIII. Fortunately, we will never know.

tulc · May 27, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Don't Russians have the right to speak their minds about the election like everybody else?

In their elections, sure. But interfering in our elections isn't "speaking their mind" is it. :wave:

In the event that the US used nuclear weapons against Russia or Russian allies. At that point what else would Fortunately the President gave a no first strike pledge during the debate, something which neither his opponent nor his predecessor ever did.

It's sort of adorable watching President Trump supporters try and spin this stuff into something positive. You do realize President Trumps "pledge" is as valuable as the paper it's written on, right? And, just like all the treaties he's broken in his time in office as well as his tendency to lie about pretty much everything, for you to say, with what I can only assume is with a straight face,

Fortunately the President gave a no first strike pledge during the debate

is...well, if it weren't so adorable, an unbelievably strange thing to believe.

She did call for a no-fly zone over Syria, where Russia had significant military presence, including some of its best air defense artillery. Russia would doubtless shoot those planes down, which could well have escalated into WWIII. Fortunately, we will never know.

wait...is this the same Syria President Trump has bombed twice in his time in office? Oh yeah, I can see why your "what if..." scenario is so much scarier then his actually dropping bombs on that country. :sorry:

tulc(is having a great weekend watching them re-open LSD after the "bike-the-drive" here in Chicago!)

SoldierOfTheKing · May 28, 2018

tulc said:
In their elections, sure. But interfering in our elections isn't "speaking their mind" is it.

It is if "interfering in the elections" refers to buying Facebook ads...

tulc said:
Oh yeah, I can see why your "what if..." scenario is so much scarier then his actually dropping bombs on that country.

A no fly zone would have meant not merely bombs dropped on Syria, but airstrikes against the Russian S-300s and S-400s stationed there... do I even need to explain what this could have escalated too? I condemn the airstrikes ordered by Trump; as far as I'm concerned the less we're involved the better. What Hillary Clinton called for would have been much worse, and we have to at consider the possibility that she might have actually done what she said she would do.

tulc · May 28, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
It is if "interfering in the elections" refers to buying Facebook ads...

...or this:
Special counsel charges 13 Russians with interfering in 2016 election

(snip)

cool story bro, not actually what the thread is about though is it? Maybe you could start one about that? :wave:

tulc(just a suggestion)

SoldierOfTheKing · May 29, 2018

tulc said:
...or this:

That's precisely what their alleged election interference was - posting material on social media networks that was disparaging of Hillary Clinton which is "speaking thair minds". The crimes alleged in the indictment were that they had fraudulently presented themselves as US citizens. In any case, we need to remember that:

1) There is no evidence that these Russians were working on behalf of their government.

2) Russia is never going to extradite them, so nothing will ever come from indictments. They are political theater, nothing more.

tulc said:
cool story bro, not actually what the thread is about though is it? Maybe you could start one about that?

What the thread is about is whether Russia is an enemy.

tulc · May 29, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
(snip)
What the thread is about is whether Russia is an enemy.

Not really, it's about a member of President Trumps administration finally admitting the Russians were actively working to get Trump elected President instead of Sec Clinton. :wave:

tulc(hopes that clears up any misunderstanding about the OP)

SoldierOfTheKing · May 29, 2018

I do believe you referred to the Russians as "America's enemies" in the OP. That is what I'm challenging. If the Russians helped Trump, that would make them enemies of Trump's opponents, not enemies of America.

tulc · May 29, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
I do believe you referred to the Russians as "America's enemies" in the OP. That is what I'm challenging. If the Russians helped Trump, that would make them enemies of Trump's opponents, not enemies of America.

hmmm...I see what you mean, my mistake, I assumed (wrongly I guess) that since President Trump kicked a bunch of Russian diplomats out of the US and has bombed an ally of Russia (twice) that they may have been Americas enemies. Sorry, here let me see if I can fix the OP. :wave:

tulc(is sorry for the confusion) :sorry:

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