I have a question about cultural appropriation.

Moral Orel · May 16, 2018

RayJeena said:
Be that as it may (I wasn't there; therefore I can't
reasonably take news at face value with the same level
of confidence an eyewitness -- or the actual people
involved -- would), my point was that a heart-attack would
not be the fault of the person having it (in situations
where a heart-attack is present).

I'm not citing an eye witness, I'm citing the medical examiner's report. An eye witness wouldn't know what actually killed him. Even the cop who choked him wouldn't know if it was a heart attack. But the coroner would.

I agree with your point, it wasn't Eric's fault he died. I saw Ken spreading false information and sought to correct it.

Rajni · May 16, 2018

I almost forgot that this thread is about cultural appropriation.
Sorry for the derail!

Radagast · May 18, 2018

RayJeena said:
I almost forgot that this thread is about cultural appropriation.

I don't think you were the one who derailed the thread.

But I think people had run out of intelligent things to say about "cultural appropriation," anyway.

Ken-1122 · May 18, 2018

Nicholas Deka said:
No. False. Wrong.
Source

But the medical examiner’s office was clear in the cause of his death, finding he died from “compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.”

He didn't die of a heart attack. He died because he was choked (which the cops are trained not to do) and his chest was pressed down so that he couldn't breathe.

This is information I was unaware of. A little google research showed the following

Asphyxia is defined as killing someone by depriving them of air
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=asphyxiated&fr=yfp-t-s&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

According to the New York City Medical Examiner’s Office report, the Cause of death of Eric garner was compression of neck,, compression of chest, and prone positioning during physical restraint by police and contributing conditions; “acute and chronic bronchial asthma; obesity, Hypertensive cardiovascular disease (Heart disease)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

Eric Garner was not asphyxiated because after 15 seconds, the video showed the officer removed his arm from around his neck, and Garner was clearly conscious and speaking (saying that he cannot breath over and over) though he did eventually die shortly after words, he didn’t die due to being deprived of air

A_Thinker · May 18, 2018

Ken-1122 said:
This is information I was unaware of. A little google research showed the following

Asphyxia is defined as killing someone by depriving them of air
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=asphyxiated&fr=yfp-t-s&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

According to the New York City Medical Examiner’s Office report, the Cause of death of Eric garner was compression of neck,, compression of chest, and prone positioning during physical restraint by police and contributing conditions; “acute and chronic bronchial asthma; obesity, Hypertensive cardiovascular disease (Heart disease)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

Eric Garner was not asphyxiated because after 15 seconds, the video showed the officer removed his arm from around his neck, and Garner was clearly conscious and speaking (saying that he cannot breath over and over) though he did eventually die shortly after words, he didn’t die due to being deprived of air

From your cited Wiki article ...

The medical examiner concluded that Garner was killed by "compression of neck, compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police". No damage to Garner's windpipe or neck bones was found. The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide. According to the medical examiner's definition, a homicide is a death caused by the intentional actions of another person or persons, which is not necessarily an intentional death or a criminal death. On December 3, 2014, the Richmond County grand jury decided not to indict Pantaleo. On that day, the United States Department of Justice announced it would conduct an independent investigation. The event stirred public protests and rallies, with charges of police brutality made by protesters. By December 28, 2014, at least 50 demonstrations had been held nationwide specifically for Garner while hundreds of demonstrations against general police brutality counted Garner as a focal point. On July 13, 2015, an out-of-court settlement was announced in which the City of New York would pay the Garner family $5.9 million.

loveofourlord · May 26, 2018

I'm bothered by alot of what counts as cultural apropriation, is wearing hair style from another culture that? What about following another cultures religion?

Is non native americans following native american beliefs cultural apropriation? Even though if it's true wouldn't it be for anyone? I get there might be offensive uses of another culture, but it's not because someones using it, but because they are offensivly using it. Such as wearing racist stereotypes for halloween or such.

Albion · May 26, 2018

Far Side Of the Moon said:
No anything isn't up for grabs. Like I said it's fine to show appreciation or wear something you think is nice but you cross the line when you say something is originally yours when it isn't. Not only is that wrong but it's lying.

So far I have heard "Cultural Appropriation" charged a number of times but not once had the person being criticized claimed to be part of whatever segment of society had actually originated whatever it was.

And to be sure, all the ones pointing fingers are actually Cultural Appropriators, too, if the truth be told. We are all the beneficiaries of the inventions, etc. of a wide range of peoples.

yeshuaslavejeff · May 26, 2018

Lik3 said:
Is all cultural appropriation based on racism, disrespect, or ignorance?

Is anything like it ever ? In the past 50 years ? Ever before that ?

Ken-1122 · May 26, 2018

A_Thinker said:
From your cited Wiki article ...

The medical examiner concluded that Garner was killed by "compression of neck, compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police". No damage to Garner's windpipe or neck bones was found. The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide. According to the medical examiner's definition, a homicide is a death caused by the intentional actions of another person or persons, which is not necessarily an intentional death or a criminal death. On December 3, 2014, the Richmond County grand jury decided not to indict Pantaleo. On that day, the United States Department of Justice announced it would conduct an independent investigation. The event stirred public protests and rallies, with charges of police brutality made by protesters. By December 28, 2014, at least 50 demonstrations had been held nationwide specifically for Garner while hundreds of demonstrations against general police brutality counted Garner as a focal point. On July 13, 2015, an out-of-court settlement was announced in which the City of New York would pay the Garner family $5.9 million.

So are you agreeing with me that he did not die of asphyxia?

Micah888 · May 26, 2018

Ana the Ist said:
Actually, it's still practiced in some Muslim countries today.

And there is also sex-slavery and pedophile rings in the USA, UK, and Western Europe. It is simply not being reported and exposed as it ought to be. In fact the ones who expose these things end up being treated as criminals, while the criminals go free.

Robinson, the former head of the English Defense League and a longtime activist against Islam and Islamic migration, was arrested after he was filming men accused of being part of a gang that groomed children. Britain has been rocked by a series of child sex scandals perpetuated by gangs of predominantly Muslim men...Reaction to Robinson’s sentencing from commentators and right-wing politicians was fierce, particularly as it is the latest in a series of commentators -- particularly those who are critical of Islam and mass Islamic migration into the U.K. -- being locked up by British authorities.

Right-wing activist Tommy Robinson reportedly jailed after filming outside child grooming trial

Lik3 · Sep 1, 2018

RayJeena said:
I almost forgot that this thread is about cultural appropriation.
Sorry for the derail!

Don't feel bad. I agree. It is about respect or disrespect (the cultural appropriation thing)

Ken-1122 · Sep 1, 2018

Lik3 said:
Don't feel bad. I agree. It is about respect or disrespect (the cultural appropriation thing)

It may have initially been about respect or disrespect, but I think it is often taken too far. If a white man is from the USA is wearing dread locks and a dashiki; is this cultural appropriation? How about if a black man from the USA is wearing dread locks and a dashiki; is this cultural appropriation? Where do you draw the line?

durangodawood · Sep 3, 2018

Lik3 said:
Is all cultural appropriation based on racism, disrespect, or ignorance?

What exactly do we mean by cultural appropriation?

Is this what happens when white people play blues music?

Lik3 · Sep 3, 2018

Interesting you asked, durango. I did mention Justin Timberlake earlier because he has been accused of cultural appropriating in terms of "black music". Nevermind that "white music" like country has roots in the African American blues artists as well as white artists, namely whose ancestors were from the UK. How about jazz, since you asked, whose music has had roots in African American musical traditions. Cultural appropriation involves a white or any "non-black" artist like a "blue eyed soul "artist such as a Micheal Bolton,Glen Miller, and Sam Smith. Cultural appropriation in a negative sense would involve people who would "steal" black music (Elvis would come to mind) and not give credit to those who came before them. White people are still the dominate group in the USA and it is adopting and adapting the cultural aspects such as music of another group such as African Americans or even Native Americans.

Lik3 · Sep 3, 2018

Lik3 said:
Interesting you asked. I did mention Justin Timberlake earlier because he has been accused of cultural appropriating in terms of "black music". Nevermind that "white music" like country has roots in the African American blues artists as well as white artists, namely whose ancestors were from the UK. How about jazz, since you asked, whose music has had roots in African American musical traditions. Cultural appropriation involves a white or any "non-black" artist like a "blue eyed soul "artist such as a Micheal Bolton,Glen Miller, and Sam Smith. Cultural appropriation in a negative sense would involve people who would "steal" black music (Elvis would come to mind) and not give credit to those who came before them. White people are still the dominate group in the USA and it is adopting and adapting the cultural aspects such as music of another group such as African Americans or even Native Americans.

Dave-W · Sep 4, 2018

durangodawood said:
What exactly do we mean by cultural appropriation?
Is this what happens when white people play blues music?

The very first "Rap" I heard was from the early 1970s. The guy was blonde and had blue eyes. It was a brand new genre and blacks had not picked up on it yet. I am not sure he invented it. But he did put the name to it (borrowed from the late 1960s "rap sessions")

eleos1954 · Sep 4, 2018

Lik3 said:
Is all cultural appropriation based on racism, disrespect, or ignorance?

Seems to me it's based on division. A "catch phrase" that is being used with the result being dividing people. We are a "race" human race, made up of many different cultures and that is a good thing. We are to love one another regardless of any differences of any kind, even our enemies. It would be best if we would/could focus on that. There will always be strife of some kind called by many different "names" ... unfortunately.

durangodawood · Sep 4, 2018

Dave-W said:
The very first "Rap" I heard was from the early 1970s. The guy was blonde and had blue eyes. It was a brand new genre and blacks had not picked up on it yet. I am not sure he invented it. But he did put the name to it (borrowed from the late 1960s "rap sessions")

Not rap. Neither is the Bob Dylan song that obviously inspired that guy.

Dave-W · Sep 4, 2018

durangodawood said:
Not rap.

Says who? Rap is the vocal style, not the music underlying it.

Norman called it a "rap."

durangodawood · Sep 4, 2018

Dave-W said:
Says who? Rap is the vocal style, not the music underlying it.

Norman called it a "rap."

Norman totally ripped off the Dylan song, as we all can hear for ourselves. So his cant be the first "rap" you heard unless your head was deep in the sand.

Singing rhymes over music isnt really rap. Its singing a song, which has been going on for a looong time.

Besides, the beat poets were doing poetry over music back in the 50's.

As with most genre's, the roots go deeper than most people know. But that doesnt mean that every precursor is squarely in the genre.

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