Charity giving

truefiction1 · May 26, 2018

Danielwright2311 said:
Then you break Jesus command by commanding his people to give to any one who asks.

When some one is in need and you dont fill that need you are responsible in judgment day.

And I have full scripture to prove it.

So please I beg you in place of all the beggar's, do give to all beggar's.

What a beggar needs most isn't always money, and what one gives a beggar is sometimes just what God knows is most needful for them to receive. What our own souls will condemn us for in that great and terrible day will be the absence of the Love of God and Love of others (as we love ourselves). Giving for the sake of Christ helps us to acquire the Holy Spirit, Who teaches us to know and Love God and to Love our enemies, like God loves them.

Just saying.

Danielwright2311 · May 26, 2018

truefiction1 said:
What a beggar needs most isn't always money, and what one gives a beggar is sometimes just what God knows is most needful for them to receive. What our own souls will condemn us for in that great and terrible day will be the absence of the Love of God and Love of others (as we love ourselves). Giving for the sake of Christ helps us to acquire the Holy Spirit, Who teaches us to know and Love God and to Love our enemies, like God loves them.

Just saying.

Yes I agree, my brother.

I would also like to state of you have the holy ghost in you then you will give to all who ask as the holy ghost will convict you when asked.

dms1972 · May 26, 2018

I am not sure that that is what testing the spirits means in the bible, but I suppose its one way of testing someone, but really no one takes it seriously if some asked them online for a coat (like they have internet but no coat) - and anyway I was feeling this guy is just testing, and to be honest I felt it would be a lot of hassle parceling a coat up and sending it to the US, a real nusiance in fact.

dms1972 · May 26, 2018

If some has the ability, or discernment to recongise a real nod from God, on when they should give then that's great. For myself I sometimes am touched (or not) by an advertisment.

Albion · May 26, 2018

There is, however, the problem of knowing which appeals are legitimate and which are from con men. The OP addresses an issue of growing concern across the nation.

Danielwright2311 · May 26, 2018

Albion said:
There is, however, the problem of knowing which appeals are legitimate and which are from con men. The OP addresses an issue of growing concern across the nation.

Jesus said to love and forgive all who use you and do good to them.

So I dont mind any one who cons me or uses me, its a short life here on earth and to dwell on con men is not worth my time, I would rather just give to them if I have it.

Now I dont live for this world, if I help any con man my father in heaven will take care of me any how and also in the kingdom of heaven.

Albion · May 26, 2018

Danielwright2311 said:
Jesus said to love and forgive all who use you and do good to them.

So I dont mind any one who cons me or uses me, its a short life here on earth and to dwell on con men is not worth my time, I would rather just give to them if I have it.

Now I dont live for this world, if I help any con man my father in heaven will take care of me any how and also in the kingdom of heaven.

I cannot fault you for choosing to do that, but our friend who wrote the OP does not have that obligation and certainly is free to turn own the con men in favor of giving to someone else.

dms1972 · May 26, 2018

Well the main aid charities I am thinking of unless its a bogus email request, but I am not respounding to an email I am thinking of what charities I would like to support, and going to their websites.

Danielwright2311 · May 26, 2018

Albion said:
I cannot fault you for choosing to do that, but our friend who wrote the OP does not have that obligation and certainly is free to turn own the con men in favor of giving to someone else.

If he is part of the kingdom of God then yes he does, he has all the kingdom gives him and this is everything he needs ever.

But this is just the teaching of Jesus and the truth.

I was only commenting about it as to another poster, it was just a friendly reminder is all.

Albion · May 26, 2018

Danielwright2311 said:
If he is part of the kingdom of God then yes he does, he has all the kingdom gives him and this is everything he needs ever.

But this is just the teaching of Jesus and the truth.

I disagree. No one has a moral obligation to contribute to someone who does not need the money (but says that he does), thus depriving someone else who might have been the beneficiary of the charity instead and actually is in need.

Danielwright2311 · May 26, 2018

Albion said:
I disagree. No one has a moral obligation to contribute to someone who does not need the money, thus depriving someone else who might have been the beneficiary of the charity instead.

My response to this is you are correct, if they do not need the money, that is way different.

But there are a lot of users who always need the money for one reason or another, its only the ones who you know do need it.

Albion · May 26, 2018

Danielwright2311 said:
My response to this is you are correct, if they do not need the money, that is way different.

Its not different from what we have been talking about from the beginning.

Danielwright2311 · May 26, 2018

Albion said:
Its not different from what we have been talking about from the beginning.

No, its not, my official argument was giving to the ones who ask for it aka, Beggar's verses giving to organization's who might help others.

This was my only argument sir.

dqhall · May 26, 2018

dms1972 said:
For a while I was getting a considerable number of charity collectors calling where I live, its abated a bit. I had already in previous years picked a number of charities I wished to support, and set up a monthly donation to them. I sometimes look up some info about a charity like what its CEO receives in a salary. But according to Jesus we 'should give to anyone asks". I don't do this I admit - I don't always give to people on the street begging, I suppose I could. What puts me off I am not sure - one reason might be a bad experience with a begger in my teens, who wasn't asking for a few coins, but wanted me to pay him into a hostel as far as could tell. He pursued me on more than one occasion, suggested I wasn't much of a christian, when i refused. He wasn't just asking for coins, he wanted something more. I had offered him some money on the first occasion, but he wanted something more, and it was hard to make out what he was saying. Then there is talk about 'professional' beggers (ie people not genuinely in some sort of need). I often pass a women who looks like she is selling a magazine, who is asking for money but she doesn't have any magazines. She probably sold them at one time. Can it be she doesn't know people have a right to expect a magazine, when she is standing there holding one wrapped in plastic as if she is selling them. I had bought these on occasions from other street sellers, even though its not something I am that interested in reading. A few times I gave her the cost of a magazine knowing I wasn't going to get one, and walked on.

When I walk past someone asking for coins - I sometimes think about it for days afterward feeling vaguely guilty.

But in the case of callers at the door they all want a regular commitment of maybe £5 a month. I now have two of these set up, not because I was asked.

On occasions I have said 'I am already giving to other charities' - but that is no use invariably they have said "you are the person we a looking for" - I sometimes question if they are actually employed by the charity as I suspect some are market research workers connected to a charity and they are also building a database of info.

I am wondering if I should I just give, and trust that I won't be asked more times than I can afford?

I do not think you can give to everyone who asks. If you give to one charity, someone might use the data and sell it to other charities. After awhile you might get two or three letters from charities in a day. They explained that people are suffering and need help. I read their newsletters. Sometimes the newsletters seemed chaotic and I had to switch charities. If I limit myself to give only a percentage of my income, I am not putting myself out.

If someone thin and ragged asks for help on the street, you might give a little. People walking along roads carrying all his worldly possessions in garbage bags might be in need of help. They might appreciate a sub sandwich and bottled water. I once took a blue tarp to a homeless person camping near the edge of the woods. I was sure to tell him I was giving the tarp as my Christian duty. He was young, like early 20's and able bodied. I told him he might find a job and get rich. He told me he had already worked numerous jobs.

When I was down and out over thirty years ago, people helped me with food, clothing, rides, shelter and petty cash. Some told me they were helping me because of Jesus. I tried to learn about Jesus. Now I am not down and out.

seeking.IAM · May 26, 2018

I gave to any beggar who asks and charities of my choice. I don't try to give to every charity that solicits, just the ones whose cause I have passion for. Beggars have to ask. Cardboard sign holders don't count by my rules.

Danielwright2311 · May 26, 2018

seeking.IAM said:
I gave to any beggar who asks and charities of my choice. I don't try to give to every charity that solicits, just the ones whose cause I have passion for. Beggars have to ask. Cardboard sign holders don't count by my rules.

lol, card board holders = that funny.

What if it was Jesus holding the card board sign? Then what would you do?

I'm curious.

ADisciple · May 26, 2018

In this day and age, you have to have discernment.
You can not give to street beggars (legit or professional cons) or to charitable organizations on a whim, in the moment, just because they happen to tug at your heart-strings.
You have to have firm convictions about to whom you give charity to.

If you are wary of organizations due to high salaries, how about finding more local groups. Case in point, I belong to a crochet/knit group who make blankets, hats, scarves, and nursing home related items. Most members can only get yarn via donations. We also receive donations to buy reflective yarn (to add to hats for the homeless, most love that detail!) and also for postage as there are a few places we send things to in other states. Just about every major city/suburb has a group like this who would love to have donations in order to continue to provide their charitable work.
This is how I tithe to God. I spend my money on yarn and crochet for the homeless and nursing homes. I also buy some extra food when grocery shopping and give to the local food pantry.

There are many ways to give to charity. If money is an issue, give your time. Your time is also worth money!

Danielwright2311 · May 26, 2018

ADisciple said:
In this day and age, you have to have discernment.
You can not give to street beggars (legit or professional cons) or to charitable organizations on a whim, in the moment, just because they happen to tug at your heart-strings.
You have to have firm convictions about to whom you give charity to.

If you are wary of organizations due to high salaries, how about finding more local groups. Case in point, I belong to a crochet/knit group who make blankets, hats, scarves, and nursing home related items. Most members can only get yarn via donations. We also receive donations to buy reflective yarn (to add to hats for the homeless, most love that detail!) and also for postage as there are a few places we send things to in other states. Just about every major city/suburb has a group like this who would love to have donations in order to continue to provide their charitable work.
This is how I tithe to God. I spend my money on yarn and crochet for the homeless and nursing homes. I also buy some extra food when grocery shopping and give to the local food pantry.

There are many ways to give to charity. If money is an issue, give your time. Your time is also worth money!

That's nice of you all doing that, I think making things just for the needy is pretty cool thing to do but I bet its time consuming.

dms1972 · May 26, 2018

The thing is I agree with most if not all of what is said, about choosing carefully which organisations to support, not giving on whims etc. I have known this for thirty odd years. I have done that. And then over an number of months my door was knocked on by what I felt was an inordinate number of identified charity collectors, wanting to tell me all about their charity and take my bank details, I have little doubt most if not all were genuine, but I wondered if some worked for market researchers linked to a charity??

And it may have been dumb of me to say "I already give to a couple of charities" - but what I object to most is that anytime I said that they replied with these words "Oh you are the person we are looking for." and i was asked 'how much?', I don't know if that was because they disbelieved me or that they felt they had the right to say how much on my circumstances I could afford. I refused to tell them - though I wasn't fobing them off. They should know when to give up, thats my main issue. I wasn't telling them that to invite them. So short of cutting them off in mid speech and closing the door in their face. I am not sure what to do? Its not genuine collectors who stand for hours with shaking a tin somewhere I have an issue with.

I once had a young guy almost jump in front of me in a city centre - I was so irrated I took issue with him and said he was badly trained to deal with the public, he said he would not get any money if he did not go after people a bit (and this one was getting in my face) he shouted after me as walked away after our exchange about how many 'millions' he had raised. Its people like that I have an issue with, not ordinary, decent, polite, patient, understanding of the word 'No' collectors, of which no doubt most people who collect for charity are.

Its not giving to needy causes I am trying to discourage, not at all, if one charity is badly run, or overpaid I think the right thing is to look for one that isn't, not to use it as an excuse for not giving at all (as some might do).

I am not going to let it stop me giving to charities of my own choosing, even though I still am having trouble with Christ's command to give to everyone who asks...

OldWiseGuy · May 26, 2018

Danielwright2311 said:
Then you break Jesus command by commanding his people to give to any one who asks.

When some one is in need and you dont fill that need you are responsible in judgment day.

And I have full scripture to prove it.

So please I beg you in place of all the beggar's, do give to all beggar's.

Jesus was referring to those legitimately poor, not alcoholics, drug addicts, and those who refuse to work.

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