Jesus cried to God when about to be crucified!

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46, KJV)

Why did he cry if he was willingly getting crucified & he says God has forsaken him & why does he in many verses calls the father his God since he himself is claimed to be God?

Barney2.0 · May 25, 2018

There’s two reasons why he cried out to God, one of the reasons is that he was quoting Psalms and the second is that during his taking of the worlds sins upon himself he was temporarily disconnected from the Father.

mark kennedy · May 25, 2018

Jesus is quoting from Psalm 22, you read down a little:

“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.” (Psalm 22:8)

His enemies understood this was a prayer for deliverance. That is why they said, 'let's see if God comes'.

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

mark kennedy said:
Jesus is quoting from Psalm 22, you read down a little:

“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.” (Psalm 22:8)

His enemies understood this was a prayer for deliverance. That is why they said, 'let's see if God comes'.

But wasn't Jesus himself God?

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

Al Masihi said:
There’s two reasons one reasons is that he was quoting Psalms and the second is that during his taking of the worlds sins upon himself he was temporarily disconnected from the Father.

What about psalms was he quoting? Please elaborate, can you justify your second reason about him being disconnected from the father from bible?

Barney2.0 · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
But wasn't Jesus himself God?

Yes he is, but it seems the only way to understand this is to understand the Holy Trinity which states that three distinct people co eternally make up one God. So it’s one person of the Trinity talking to another person of the Trinity.

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

Al Masihi said:
Yes he is, but it seems the only way to understand this is to understand the Holy Trinity which states that three distinct people co eternally make up one God. So it’s one person of the Trinity talking to another person of the Trinity.

See you only rescue people who can't be helped but if Jesus was dying willingly there is no need of rescue!

Barney2.0 · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
What about psalms was he quoting? Please elaborate, can you justify your second reason about him being disconnected from the father from bible?

Psalm 22:1 is the verse he was quoting, not all understanding of the faith is derived from the Bible unless you believe in Sola Scriptura.

Barney2.0 · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
See you only rescue people who can't be helped but if Jesus was dying willingly there is no need of rescue!

There wasn’t any need of rescue, it was just Jesus being disconnected with God the Father due to his taking of the worlds sins upon himself.

Dave-W · May 25, 2018

It was an emotional expression of the agony of being separated from the Father, and no one wants to die alone, even if it is voluntary.

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

Al Masihi said:
Psalm 22:1 is the verse he was quoting, not all understanding of the faith is derived from the Bible unless you believe in Sola Scriptura.

So he was crying for help! I though God did not need help. This proves he did not die for the sins but was added later by Paul!

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

Dave-W said:
It was an emotional expression of the agony of being separated from the Father, and no one wants to die alone, even if it is voluntary.

But I thought Jesus wanted to die & was happy & willing? The verses prove otherwise

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

Al Masihi said:
There wasn’t any need of rescue, it was just Jesus being disconnected with God the Father due to his taking of the worlds sins upon himself.

The prayer mentions the word rescue! The point is not getting disconnected. If he says to God why He forsook him, then he was not dying willingly

Dave-W · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
But I thought Jesus wanted to die & was happy & willing? The verses prove otherwise

It said He "set His face like a flint" toward Jerusalem as He approached that last time. That is willing, and wanting the results; but not being "happy" to go thru the process.

Barney2.0 · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
So he was crying for help! I though God did not need help. This proves he did not die for the sins but was added later by Paul!

I don’t know what Paul has to do with this, you do know the idea that Jesus was saved in heaven and someone was crucified in his place was directly copied and added into Islamic theology by pagan Arabs who invented the numerous stories of Jesus they got from Gnostic stories and mashed it into the religion now called Islam. Jesus suffered a disconnection with his Father in heaven, it doesn’t mean he didn’t want to die, it just means he was temporarily disconnected and in that moment he felt the feeling of the worlds sins upon himself. He was bearing our punishment and due to his human nature it made him feel abandoned and wrought with despair.

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

Dave-W said:
but not being "happy" to go thru the process.

If someone is not happy that shows the unwillingness.

Godistruth1 · May 25, 2018

Al Masihi said:
I don’t know what Paul has to do with this, you do know the idea that Jesus was saved in heaven and someone was crucified in his place was directly copied and added into Islamic theology by pagan Arabs who invented the numerous stories of Jesus they got from Gnostic stories and mashed it into the religion now called Islam. Jesus suffered a disconnection with his Father in heaven, it doesn’t mean he didn’t want to die, it just means he was temporarily disconnected and in that moment he felt the feeling of the worlds sins upon himself. He was bearing our punishment and due to his human nature it made him feel abandoned and wrought with despair.

Why is it you try to attack Islam with lies when you don't have point to defend the question?

Barney2.0 · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
Why is it you try to attack Islam with lies when you don't have point to defend the question?

I already defended the question. I’m not attacking Islam, I’m just replying with facts during your attack on Apostle Paul. Can you possibly deny the similarities between Gnostic sects like Manichaeism and Islam?

Dave-W · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
If someone is not happy that shows the unwillingness.

No it does not.

mark kennedy · May 25, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
But wasn't Jesus himself God?

Well yes, but the members of the Trinity speak among themselves, they even praise one another.

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