The name of the beast is 666: euporia (prosperity)

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The beasts to which Adam gave names are not biological organisms, but certain qualities of the soul, capable of controlling the actions of both the individual and the movements of the human masses.

For example, a hare = cowardice, a lion = courage, a bull = diligence, a donkey = stubbornness, a horse = strength, etc. This is what God created at the initial stage of the transition from the savage to the civilized man: in human speech, expressions for similar qualities of the soul appeared.

Proceeding from this, we should look for the numerical value of the name of the beast-666 not among the names of specific individuals, but among concepts capable of capturing people.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. (Revelation 13:18)

In the light of the foregoing, I read not as "the name of man", but as "the name of human."

In the Bible itself there is one word, for which the sum of the numerical values of the constituent letters is 666. (In ancient languages, the modern symbols for the digit were not used, the numbers were written in letters, for example, "alpha" = 1, "beta" = 2, see Isopsephy).

ευπορια = 666

ε — 5
υ — 400
π — 80
ο — 70
ρ — 100
ι — 10
α — 1
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Total 666

ευπορια
5 + 400 + 80 + 70 + 100 +10 + 1 = 666

...these he gathered together with the workmen of similar trades, and said, "Men, you know that our prosperity depends upon this business. (Acts 19:25)

Prosperity = 666 (in the original in Greek)

An additional pointer indicating precisely this word as the name of an apocalyptic beast is found in 1 Corinthians:

If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus <...> (1 Corinthians 15:32)

You are well aware that the Apostle Paul here is not writing about wild animals, but about people, sending us to the same episode described in the 19th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles. According to the context of the incident in Ephesus, it is clear to us that it was the word "Prosperity" that expressed the essence of the aspirations of the crowd of artisans engaged in the manufacture of idols.

"Prosperity" is the name of the Beast, whose number is 666.

Actually, this was expected: the "beast" who rebels against God at the end of time is the entire human civilization based on Adam's sin: on uncontrolled and unrestrained use of stolen fruits of the tree of Knowledge for selfish ends.

On the 13th chapter of the Revelation, everything became clear. The seven heads of the beast are seven empires, six of them are mentioned in the Bible: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Mido-Persia, Greece, Rome.

and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while (Revelation17:10)

"One is" means that at the time of the writing of the Revelation, it was Rome that was the world empire. Obviously, the seventh head of this "beast" is the United States. Especially because of the word "prosperity".

The other characters of the 13th chapter of Revelation: the second beast is the spirit of pseudo-Christianity, that is, what is usually called the Christian religion. This religion serves the first beast. A antichrist, this is not a seven-headed beast, but an "image of the beast." Any president of the United States can bid for the post of anti-christ, for it is his duty: to serve prosperity.

The subject is extensive, so I will only point out the parallel of the individual features of the seven-headed beast with the features of the four beasts from the 7th chapter of the book of the prophet Daniel. In Daniel 1, the beast is Judaism, the 2nd beast is Islam, the 3rd beast is Oriental religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Shintoism), the 4th beast is a Christian religion, the first three commandments of which we see in the mouth of the 2nd beast, that is, Islam.

As you can see, everything is simple here.



In this way:

Name of the beast: prosperity
The heads of the beast:
Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Mido-Persia, Greece, Rome, US
The beast coming up out of the earth, the false prophet:
the spirit of pseudo-Christianity
The mark of the beast:
the habit of stealing (mark on the hand), the habit of lying (mark on the forehead)
Number of the name of the beast:
passport, tax number, any registration of a person, community or property in the state
The image of the beast:
a specific antichrist (president, king, pope)

All these images are opposites of God:
Name of the beast (prosperity) <> Name of God
666 (global civilization) <> 144,000 redeemed communities (specific churches)
the mark of the beast <> the seal of the Holy Spirit on the heads of 144,000
Number of the name of the beast (registration in the state) <> the person's belonging to one of the 144,000 communities of the whole period of the Church
False Prophet <> The Holy Spirit
Antichrist, the image of the beast <> Jesus Christ (the image of God)
 
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So when the beast, aka "prosperity", gets thrown into the lake of fire what is it going to be like in heaven without prosperity?

Why think Adam named the souls of animals, is there any indication in the text for that conclusion?
 
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The mark of the beast: the habit of stealing (mark on the hand), the habit of lying (mark on the forehead)
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


The habit of stealing and lying has been around since the beginning of time
No person or nation has deliberately caused people to lie and steal in order to buy or sell , as the scripture says people must have the mark in order to buy or sell , so naturally there will either be people or electronic devices to detect who has or has not the mark - it would make no sense to imply that only people who steal and lie can buy or sell - you be missing some very important info here ;)
 
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So when the beast, aka "prosperity", gets thrown into the lake of fire what is it going to be like in heaven without prosperity?

People want prosperity instead of truth. Therefore, the head of these people is not God, but the beast, their instincts.

Why think Adam named the souls of animals, is there any indication in the text for that conclusion?

Of course. If in Revelation we read:
... The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Revelation 17:15)

Then why should we assume that in Genesis it is written about H2O?

... And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2)


Revelation is a book about the spiritual world, and Genesis is a book about the same.
 
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16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


The habit of stealing and lying has been around since the beginning of time
No person or nation has deliberately caused people to lie and steal in order to buy or sell , as the scripture says people must have the mark in order to buy or sell , so naturally there will either be people or electronic devices to detect who has or has not the mark - it would make no sense to imply that only people who steal and lie can buy or sell - you be missing some very important info here ;)

The following categories of people can buy and sell:

who has the mark – lying and stealing; people lie constantly, especially it was in the USSR, and under capitalism there is a hidden form of theft, "surplus value"

Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. (James 5: 4)

who has the name of the beast –
They are just very rich people.

who has the number of his name –
Anyone who has a passport, identity card, has a registration in his state. Now we are seeing a gradual refusal to use cash. When the cash disappears, then what is described in the 13th chapter of Revelation will come.
 
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People want prosperity instead of truth. Therefore, the head of these people is not God, but the beast, their instincts.

Of course. If in Revelation we read:
... The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Revelation 17:15)

Then why should we assume that in Genesis it is written about H2O?

... And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2)


Revelation is a book about the spiritual world, and Genesis is a book about the same.
The term "abyss" in Ancient Near East understanding had meaning declared by context. But I wasn't asking about water, I was asking what reason is there to think Adam was naming the souls of animals.

Also why should the name be calculated in Greek when the concept originated in Sumerian and revelation uses strong ANE themes like Lotan?

From Sargon II
"Palaces of ivory, mulberry, cedar, cypress, juniper, and pistachio-wood I built at their lofty command for my royal dwelling place. A bit-hillani, a copy of a Hittite (Syrian) palace, I erected in front of their doors. Beams of cedar and cypress I laid over them for roofs at 16,283 cubits, the numeral of my name. I made the circuit (lit., measure) of its wall, establishing the foundation platform upon the bedrock of the high mountain. "

SAR from Sargon is a mathematical designation for 3,600. Sumeria used a hexadecimal system of counting making numbers like 6, 60, or 600 a more likely outcome than they would be in our mathematical designation. (No one has successfully finished the calculation for Sargon)
 
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Also why should the name be calculated in Greek when the concept originated in Sumerian?
The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Ancient Greek. We are looking for a word that can be a name (that is, an expression for the essence) of the beast.

Such a word is only one - in Acts 19:25.
 
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The following categories of people can buy and sell:

who has the mark – lying and stealing; people lie constantly, especially it was in the USSR, and under capitalism there is a hidden form of theft, "surplus value"

Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. (James 5: 4)

who has the name of the beast –
They are just very rich people.

who has the number of his name –
Anyone who has a passport, identity card, has a registration in his state. Now we are seeing a gradual refusal to use cash. When the cash disappears, then what is described in the 13th chapter of Revelation will come.
When cash disappears - As I said -so naturally there will either be people or electronic devices to detect who has or has not the mark
There has to be a way to determine who has the mark
Scripture tells us that people are given the choice to either accept or reject the mark - and by accepting the mark shows the person denies Jesus
and worships the beast as it will be made known to the person what they are choosing
-When you say- Anyone who has a passport, identity card, has a registration...
People will have these things before this happens as most people already have these things

It would have to be a NEW legal mandate to replace such items with a New item that would require to either accept or reject the mark - making it known to people they are choosing to deny Jesus and worship the beast

Jesus will Not allow this to happen without people Knowing for a fact they are rejecting Jesus - because to do so unknowingly is against scripture

Obviously when scripture tells us that those who accept the mark will spend eternity in the lake of fire
 
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Scripture tells us that people are given the choice to either accept or reject the mark - and by accepting the mark shows the person denies Jesus
This "mark of the beast" is invisible. Who steals, he renounces Jesus. He who is lying is the one who denied Jesus. Any Christian, if he is a usurer (banker), he has already denied Jesus Christ.

About the condemnation of those who have the number of the beast (passport or registration) - the Scripture does not say. Please pay attention to this!

And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image. (Revelation 16:2)
1) mark of the beast –
lying and stealing (compare with Zechariah 5: 3)
2) which worshipped his image –
worship of the world leader-Antichrist

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Revelation 19:20)
1) mark of the beast –
lying and stealing
2)which worshipped his image –
worship of the world leader-Antichrist


But here about the victory of the Saints:

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. (Revelation 15:2)

over the beast
– they defeated the priority of their desire for prosperity
over his image
they defeated the authority of Antichrist
over his mark
they did not lie and did not steal
over the number of his name
they defeated their registration in their countries - they appeared in the Third Temple, built in accordance with the prophesy of Ezekiel
 
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This "mark of the beast" is invisible. Who steals, he renounces Jesus. He who is lying is the one who denied Jesus. Any Christian, if he is a usurer (banker), he has already denied Jesus Christ.

About the condemnation of those who have the number of the beast (passport or registration) - the Scripture does not say. Please pay attention to this!

And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image. (Revelation 16:2)
1) mark of the beast –
lying and stealing (compare with Zechariah 5: 3)
2) which worshipped his image – worship of the world leader-Antichrist

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Revelation 19:20)
1) mark of the beast –
lying and stealing
2)which worshipped his image – worship of the world leader-Antichrist


But here about the victory of the Saints:

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. (Revelation 15:2)

over the beast
– they defeated the priority of their desire for prosperity
over his image they defeated the authority of Antichrist
over his mark
they did not lie and did not steal
over the number of his name they defeated their registration in their countries - they appeared in the Third Temple, built in accordance with the prophesy of Ezekiel
Now you gone off the deep end

purpose of the mark is to distinguish people who accept Jesus and those who deny Jesus
In the same manner you can be saved you must speak with your mouth out loud that you deny your self and accept Jesus - people will have to face the fact that they either Choose Jesus and deny the AC
or deny Jesus and accept the AC
The mark may be transparent/translucent but the people will be REQUIRED to deny Jesus to have the mark

We are talking about a Future event - we are entering a time where technology changes more than ever before - some kind of technology that will ID who has or who has not taken the mark
Even people who have accepted Jesus can lie - we are still in a sinful nature and are not perfect and when we mess up and ask for forgiveness Jesus will forgive
This far more than just some symbolic idea that people do not know if they have or have not accepted the mark
People will know 100% for a fact they have denied Jesus to take the mark -

It IS about denying Jesus in favor of the AC - or Denying the AC and accepting Jesus as LORD of ALL -
There is more to it than you have acknowledged
 
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Even people who have accepted Jesus can lie - we are still in a sinful nature and are not perfect and when we mess up and ask for forgiveness Jesus will forgive
He that committeth sin is of the devil.

A mark on the body will not be. Why mark? If a person was photographed, fingerprints were taken, they kept everything in the database - you do not need a passport, you will be identified by the system according to your photo and fingerprints that are checked with yours on any terminal.

People are renouncing Jesus Christ now. When a person makes a choice: lie (for his own prosperity) - or remain a beggar. Or when a person becomes a banker. You can be sure: he has already chosen the devil.

Spells will not help. Repentant must return the stolen goods. If he stole a stone, which later became a stone in the foundation of his house - then let him demolish his house and return the stolen stone. This is about the rich, who created their capital by stealing only once, at the very beginning.
 
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He that committeth sin is of the devil.
lol - FOR ALL HAVE SINNED - it is a sin to say that you do not sin - there are many people that do not lie and do not steal that have not accepted Jesus as savoir -
A mark on the body will not be.
Logic would say that if that were true Jesus could have spoke about it in a manner that would say that -
If a person was photographed, fingerprints were taken, they kept everything in the database - you do not need a passport, you will be identified by the system according to your photo and fingerprints that are checked with yours on any terminal.
Finger print security is already in use on phones and computers and have been hacked easily-Biometrics that use a combination of retina scans - usage of rfid is more secure -biometric sim cards are being developed - rfid has been proven to work with biometrics - brain implants have also been tested and worked , even biometric tattoos can be applied ,

People that crucified Jesus renounced him -
Spells will not help.
seems it has you under control :)
 
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ProtectionET said in post #1:

The name of the beast is 666: euporia (prosperity)

The 666 in Revelation 13:17c-18 refers to the number six hundred and sixty-six, the "number of the name" of the individual man who will be the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"). The number of a name (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2) is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: The first nine letters are 1 through 9, the next nine letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Revelation 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the future Antichrist's name should be done in the same way that the gematrial numerical values of the three Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma) at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred and sixty-six.

The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the three obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows: Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, Gamma = 3, Delta = 4, Epsilon = 5, Stigma = 6, Zeta = 7, Eta = 8, Theta = 9, Iota = 10, Kappa = 20, Lambda = 30, Mu = 40, Nu = 50, Xi = 60, Omikron = 70, Pi = 80, Qoppa = 90, Rho = 100, Sigma = 200, Tau = 300, Upsilon = 400, Phi = 500, Chi = 600, Psi = 700, Omega = 800, Sampi = 900.

Just as the numerical values of Chi, Xi, and Stigma at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the Textus Receptus) add up to 666, so the numerical values of the letters in the future Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). The apostle John used the Greek alphabet because it was the most common one used by Christians when the book of Revelation was written down in the first century AD. Today, the English alphabet is the most common one used by Christians, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the Antichrist's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet. The purpose of Revelation 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for Christians, not to make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the Antichrist. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all Christians today would not know how to properly perform this transliteration, and so different Christians would come up with different transliterations, and so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

If Christians think that someone is the Antichrist, then they need to check to see if his name adds up to 666 in gematria (Revelation 13:17c-18). If it does not, then he is not the Antichrist. If it does, then he could be, and they need to be especially wary of him, and not be taken in by any deceptive charisma, intelligence, or amazing deeds which he might display. But even if someone's name does add up to 666, this does not mean that he is definitely the Antichrist. For just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. The Antichrist also has to come from a country the territory of which used to be part of one of the four Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). These kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and have a name like (for example) "Nabil Abdullah Falakal al-Hakim", which adds up to 666.

But if a man from the Middle East has a name which adds up to 666, even this does not assure that he is the Antichrist. For he also has to sit (at least one time) in a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). Once he does that, there will not be any more room for doubt over whether or not he is the Antichrist. His identity will have been definitely revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters of the English alphabet are: A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800. The way that the gematrial number of a name is "counted" (Revelation 13:17c-18), is added up, is simply by adding up the gematrial numerical values of all of the letters in that name. So, for example, the number of the name "John Mark Smith" is 636, because: J=10, O=60, H=8, N=50, M=40, A=1, R=90, K=20, S=100, M=40, I=9, T=200, H=8. Total = 636. The future Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18).
 
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ProtectionET said in post #9:

This "mark of the beast" is invisible.

The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) will be a literal, physical mark, which will be visible to people so that they can easily tell in every situation whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will also be visible because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma: G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (that is, the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason that people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what was shown previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they are loyal worshippers of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Satanists today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hands of some people and on the foreheads of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark will not be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17). And they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image. For those people who agree to do these things, even if they are Christians, will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), while those Christians who refuse to do these things, even though they will be beheaded by the Antichrist, they will be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient Church of all times) at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58), which will occur immediately after the future Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palms (compare also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, and Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their foreheads, thinking (mistakenly) that they are fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one who will cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus himself returned, via "reincarnation". But he will not say that he is Christ. For he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7).

Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the sixth letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it is transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

In an awful coincidence (or maybe it is not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the ten kings of the future Antichrist's empire will employ in order to burn up the cities of the nations at the end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16-17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

The "WWW" which has been placed on many internet addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (that is, they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Satan will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist's placing of his "brand" on everything, like how a rancher places his "brand" on all of his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 is not fulfilled by many internet addresses having a "WWW", nor by many products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes. For Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism, also called Satanism. The Antichrist will be both a Satanist, a worshipper of Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist will not pretend that he is YHWH, just as he will not pretend that he is Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ.
 
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The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the three obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows: Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, Gamma = 3, Delta = 4, Epsilon = 5, Stigma = 6, Zeta = 7, Eta = 8, Theta = 9, Iota = 10, Kappa = 20, Lambda = 30, Mu = 40, Nu = 50, Xi = 60, Omikron = 70, Pi = 80, Qoppa = 90, Rho = 100, Sigma = 200, Tau = 300, Upsilon = 400, Phi = 500, Chi = 600, Psi = 700, Omega = 800, Sampi = 900.


The gematrial numerical values of the letters of the English alphabet are: A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800.

Why is Tau 300 whilst T is 200?

(By your English Alphabet numbers, my number is 555 - I kid you not!)
 
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Why is Tau 300 whilst T is 200?

(By your English Alphabet numbers, my number is 555 - I kid you not!)
In most ancient languages the letters also had a numerical value. English doesn't that is why we use Arabic letters for our numbers, but I am not sure we give them the same values as the Arabs do. A bit like the French, they use English words but not as we would use them, i.e. le Pressing = Dry Cleaners, or le Parking = Car park.
Back in the dim and distant past, Irenius suggested LATEINOS (the Latin man) as a possible solution. as the number of his name. I have also seen Wealth as a possible solution.

Latin numbers were I=1 one finger up, II=2, two fingers up. III = 3, three fingers up, IIII = 4, four fingers up. (also IV = 4, V - 1
V = 5, two fingers two fingers making a V sign.
X = 10, two fingers making a cross.
C = 100 short for cent = 100
M = 1000 short for mille (not sure of the spelling)
D = 500, I can't remember what that meant, perhaps demi mille = ½ of a 1000.
 
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David Kent said in post #17:

Back in the dim and distant past, Irenius suggested LATEINOS (the Latin man) as a possible solution.

Note that Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) also said "this number [666] being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the book of Revelation], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six" (Against Heresies 5:30:1). This mode of calculation, or method of gematria, is the same in the Greek alphabet, the Hebrew alphabet, the English alphabet, and any other alphabet: the first nine letters in the alphabet are 1 through 9, the next nine letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet.

David Kent said in post #17:

Back in the dim and distant past, Irenius suggested LATEINOS (the Latin man) as a possible solution.

Regarding "the Latin man", that brings to mind the idea (which is sometimes put forth) that the Latin (Roman) pope must be the Antichrist, because one of his titles equals 666.

But "Vicarius Filii Dei", a title of the pope, only equals 666 when by mistake people use the Roman-numeral method of counting the number of a name:

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A
R
I = 1
U = 5 (because under this method U is the same as V)
S

F
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
E
I = 1

Total = 666

This does not mean that the pope is the Antichrist. It just means that the Roman-numeral method gives false positives. For example:

E
L = 50
L = 50
E
N

G
O
U = 5
L = 50
D = 500

W = 10 (because W = double U = UU = VV)
H
I = 1
T
E

Total = 666

This does not mean that the most important early leader of the SDA view is the Antichrist. It just means that the SDA view (or any other view) should not employ the Roman-numeral method of counting the number of a name, instead of the Bible's own method, which is gematria.

Also, the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), during his literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), will not support Catholicism in its past and current form, insofar as Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Christ, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Catholicism affirms that Jesus is the Son of God, while the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 2:22b). And Catholicism affirms that Christ is in the flesh, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Catholicism affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, while the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that the only man who is God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, while the Antichrist will say that he (the Antichrist) is God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Catholicism affirms that Lucifer (Satan) is evil, while the Antichrist will bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the future Antichrist's religion, during his literal 3.5-year worldwide reign, will not be Catholicism in its past and current form, but a blend of Gnosticism and Luciferianism, also called Satanism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist, and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly apostate pope), could at first pretend to support Catholicism (as well as Christianity generally, and also Islam), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.
 
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But "Vicarius Filii Dei", a title of the pope, only equals 666 when by mistake people use the Roman-numeral method of counting the number of a name:

VICARIVS FILII DEI is a Roman title. There is every rationale for using the Roman-numeral method for the Roman title of the leader of the Roman church headquartered in Rome.

ELLEN GOULD WHITE is not a Roman name. There is no rationale for using the Roman-numeral method for a non-Roman name.

There is no singular capital A Antichrist found anywhere in the whole of Scripture in the Greek, or in the KJV, YLT or NAS translations. John's epistles, the only books where the term is found, define it as a multiplicity present in John's day.

The apostate papacy identified as the prevailing antichrist of its era was one of the foundational doctrines of the Reformation, without which it would not have succeeded.

Dispensationalism's futurization of a singular Antichrist arises out of its incorporation of the Jesuit Francisco Ribera's counterfeit production in the apostate papacy's counter-reformation. It was a classic example of "interpretation by disinformation".
 
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jgr said in post #19:

There is no singular capital A Antichrist found anywhere in the whole of Scripture . . .

Any person is an antichrist who denies that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ (1 John 2:22), or who denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), or who denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The spirit of antichrist which will animate the future Antichrist has been working since the first century AD (1 John 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:7a), animating many antichrists since that time (2 John 1:7).

Also, the existence of many antichrists (1 John 2:18) does not contradict that there will be an individual man (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,9, Revelation 13:4-18) who is commonly called the Antichrist; just as on the side of good, the existence of many sons of God (John 1:12) does not contradict that there is an individual man, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who is the Son of God (John 20:31).

Also, the idea of the individual-man Antichrist does not have to be explicitly referred to in the Bible as "the Antichrist" in order for it to be true and supported by the Bible; just as, for example, the idea of the Trinity does not have to be explicitly referred to in the Bible as "the Trinity" in order for it to be true and supported by the Bible (e.g. Matthew 28:19, John 1:1,14, Acts 5:3-4).

The man commonly called the Antichrist will be the fulfillment of the individual "man of sin" (2 Thessalonians 2:3), who will sit (at least one time) in a future, third Jewish temple building in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). He will fulfill the individual "man" aspect of the "beast" who will come (Revelation 13:18), and bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon), and himself (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9). He will rule the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:5-10, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7), and will have a miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13), who by amazing, Satanic miracles (2 Thessalonians 2:9b), such as calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13), will deceive the people of the world into worshipping a speaking (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15), and receiving a mark of the Antichrist's name or gematrial name-number (666) on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16-18). The Antichrist and his False Prophet will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:20), while at that time Satan will be bound in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3). None of these things has happened yet.

Any mistaken teaching which claims that the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in our future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking that he is not the Antichrist.

The idea of a future, individual-man Antichrist was correctly recognized in the Bible by the Church from early on. Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) used the term: "speaking of Antichrist, [Paul] says, 'who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped'" (Against Heresies 3:6:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4); "...by means of the events which shall occur in the time of Antichrist is it shown that he, being an apostate and a robber, is anxious to be adored as God" (Against Heresies 5:25:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:8); "...when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem" (Against Heresies 5:30:4b; Revelation 13:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7); "...the number of the name of the beast ... the name of Antichrist" (Against Heresies 5:30:1; Revelation 13:17c-18).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters in the Antichrist's personal name will add up to six hundred and sixty-six (Revelation 13:17c-18).

jgr said in post #19:

Dispensationalism's futurization of a singular Antichrist arises out of its incorporation of the Jesuit Francisco Ribera's counterfeit production in the apostate papacy's counter-reformation.

Christian Futurism per se should be distinguished from Dispensationalism.

For Christian Futurism per se is correct, because the Tribulation and subsequent Second-Coming prophecies of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 and Matthew 24 have not yet been fulfilled, just as the prophecies of the subsequent Millennium (e.g. Revelation 20:4-6 and Zechariah 14) have not yet been fulfilled.

But Dispensationalism is mistaken because it sets up a mutual exclusiveness between the Church and Israel.

Also, Dispensationalism is mistaken because it teaches a pre-tribulation rapture.

jgr said in post #19:

. . . the apostate papacy's counter-reformation.

Regarding the idea of an apostate papacy, the beast who comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11-16 represents the individual man who will become the future Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). He could be a secretly-apostate pope who at some point during his tenure will make a great push for peace and unity between Christianity and Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Aren't we all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Cannot we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but have only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What is more important than this?"

He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "a Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, a pope could come to hold high positions of power in two religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the two horns of the False Prophet lamb (Revelation 13:11). This would be similar to how the seven horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Revelation 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding seven positions of power at the same time (compare Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Revelation 19:12). The False Prophet could even say that he is Jesus returned, via "reincarnation". But he will not that say he is Christ. For the False Prophet, and the Antichrist, will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7).

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), also called Satanism, a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times the prophet Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

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If a secretly-apostate pope does become the future Antichrist's False Prophet (of Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20, and Revelation 16:13), then adherents of Catholicism will have to decide what their ultimate source of truth is: Is it the pope and the RCC, or God and the Bible? Many adherents of Catholicism who know God and the Bible well, and hold to them as their ultimate source of truth, will no doubt be utterly aghast at the false doctrines of a False Prophet pope. Such adherents of Catholicism could demand that he be removed for heresy, and apostasy, and that the cardinals elect a new pope. But other adherents of Catholicism, including many cardinals, bishops, and priests, could be deceived (along with most of the rest of the world) into believing the False Prophet pope's false doctrines, because of his ability to perform the most amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20; cf. Matthew 24:24).

And so a great schism could arise within the RCC. Compare the Akita prophecy: "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops". Many adherents of Catholicism could follow the False Prophet pope, while other adherents of Catholicism could reject him, and elect their own, new pope (or reinstate a former pope who is still alive), whom they could declare to be the "True Pope". But this new (or reinstated) "True Pope" could then be murdered, along with many of his followers, by the False Prophet pope's soldiers. Compare the Third Secret of Fatima: "he [the pope] was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions". Could the soldiers firing "arrows" be the Vatican's Swiss Guards, whose weapons and colorful uniforms hark back to the Middle Ages?

After this slaughter, the False Prophet pope could manage to retain the papacy, and full control of the Vatican, and through his (deceived) cardinals, bishops, and priests, retain full control of all RCC cathedrals, parishes, churches, etc., throughout the world. And when the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") obtains power over all nations, he and the False Prophet will make war against true, Biblical Christians (whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not) throughout the world, and will physically overcome them and kill them (by beheading) in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

It is only when the Antichrist has completely broken the physical power of the true Church (which consists of all true Christians, whether they are adherents of Catholicism or not: Ephesians 4:4-6) that the future Tribulation will end (Daniel 12:7b), and Jesus Christ's Second Coming will immediately occur, at which time He will physically resurrect and rapture (gather together) the Church (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), of all times. And at His Second Coming, Jesus Christ will tread the winepress of God's wrath alone (Isaiah 63:3, Revelation 19:15-21), and so He/God will get all of the glory for defeating the power of evil on the earth (Deuteronomy 32:39-43). For He/God will not share this glory with the Church (cf. Isaiah 42:8-14, Isaiah 26:18).
 
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