Jewish naming of YHWH

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The actual meaning of YHWH is simply (The Living God) and binds to “I AM that I AM”.

I wonder if even that over-complicates it...and that when Moses asked who YHWH is, YHWH replied with the equivalent of saying "uttermost truth and reality".
 
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That is my point. None of the New Testament writers use YHWH. When they quote the Old Testament, they do it in Greek, with YHWH replaced by Kurios = Lord.

In Matthew 4:7, the Greek actually has Kurion ton Theon, quoting Deuteronomy 6:16 in the Greek LXX (which is what the early Christians used). However, the Hebrew has Yĕhovah 'elohiym.

But that is the problem with Greek. Kyrios is applied to every king and noble of mankind, even to an owner by his slaves, and Theos applies to Thor, and Indra, and Lugh. They are in themselves empty words that do not distinguish between actual worthiness and feigned worthiness. Which is part of why Greek is an annoying language for the NT.
 
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I wonder if even that over-complicates it...and that when Moses asked who YHWH is, YHWH replied with the equivalent of saying "uttermost truth and reality".

I think, theosophicaly speaking, there are most definitely those elements.

To be candid, I even see a note of all that has breath, connected to life by God being their (it’s) very breath of life.

I promised I wouldn’t be cryptic. :)
 
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It must have been something which could be pronounced though, as Moses was told to tell the Israelites that "הוה", HWH, had sent him to free them.

He said tell them IAM sent you, not Yaweh.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Notice key part "verb"

Original Word: הָיָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hayah
Phonetic Spelling: (haw-yaw)
Short Definition: come
 
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Which is part of why Greek is an annoying language for the NT.

If you don't like the New Testament, take it up with the God who inspired it.

Me, I'll just read and benefit from the gospels and epistles He gave us. :prayer:
 
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He said tell them IAM sent you, not Yaweh.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Notice key part "verb"

Original Word: הָיָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hayah
Phonetic Spelling: (haw-yaw)
Short Definition: come

He, Vaw, He - HVH

The ending of Yehovah - which, listening to Nehemia's videos linked to on here is a perfectly sound understanding of His name. It means "being".

And if you doubt the "V" part, that middle letter is a truncated Vaw.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
 
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If you don't like the New Testament, take it up with the God who inspired it.

Well, if Greek were a little less vague perhaps we would not have HOW many different Bible translations around today...

You cannot in all good conscience say that it's a clear language.
 
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No, but God calls Himself Adonai... and it called Adonai a number of times by various Prophets. He also refers to Himself as ba'al too... I always love pointing that one out to the anti-"Lord" crowd. But if God doesn't have a problem with certain prophets using Adonai... then He doesn't have a problem with it. Move on... there is a world full of people that do not know Him, go proclaim His name to them.

Isaiah 42:8 -"I am Jehova, that is my name"

Name being shem...
 
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Isaiah 42:8 -"I am Jehova, that is my name"

Name being shem...
What letter is that in Hebrew heiroglxifics because that could mean many things. (it's more an adjective than a pro-noun) (or vis-viz?) Fi almighty God is spelt one way and mighty God is spelt another but do they mean the same thing? Yes they do but depending on where shen is written it could be a whole new word.
 
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Why is it that the Jews do not use YHWH?

They claim it is too sacred.

But they are told to "proclaim his name" in Isaiah 12:4 and to call upon it in Psalms 105:1, so who came up with the idea of not saying Yahweh's name? It cannot have come from YHWH himself, as He told them to proclaim his name and I am unaware of any point in the Bible where the Jews are told (by Yahweh) to refer to Yahweh as "Adonai".

So what is going on here, and more importantly WHO thought they could countermand Yahweh himself?
It's one of their traditions. God wanted for us to use His name, but due to traditions, most don't even know it or despise it. We've become so accustomed to the title "God" that we reject His actual name. It's sad, but He prophesied of this exact thing happening.
 
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It's one of their traditions. God wanted for us to use His name, but due to traditions, most don't even know it or despise it. We've become so accustomed to the title "God" that we reject His actual name. It's sad, but He prophesied of this exact thing happening.

Yup, it allows the atheists to pop up with "which god" and "what that god and not [insert deity of choice]".

"God" is an empty word (like the deus and theos it comes from).

It would perhaps be better if we stopped saying "God" and started saying YHWH (however people choose to pronounce that) or even some form of reference to "I AM"...
 
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Well, if Greek were a little less vague perhaps we would not have HOW many different Bible translations around today...

You cannot in all good conscience say that it's a clear language.

I've got no problems reading it.
 
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Why is it that the Jews do not use YHWH?

They claim it is too sacred.

But they are told to "proclaim his name" in Isaiah 12:4 and to call upon it in Psalms 105:1, so who came up with the idea of not saying Yahweh's name? It cannot have come from YHWH himself, as He told them to proclaim his name and I am unaware of any point in the Bible where the Jews are told (by Yahweh) to refer to Yahweh as "Adonai".

So what is going on here, and more importantly WHO thought they could countermand Yahweh himself?

The Most High God told Moses His name once - or, rather, what He should be called.

His name is sacred, because He is. We aren't supposed to use His name in vain - without reason - in the same way you do not call your mom "Jessica" - whether in the presence of your siblings or common folk. When people ask me my mother or father's name, I initially say, "Ma/Father;" one time I was actually stumped for a few seconds.

Likewise, even if we know His name, we aren't supposed to use it for no reason. The Most High God's name should be "Father," and despite our afforded grace, we shouldn't be so audacious to call the Most High God by His proper name. Usually, that is reserved for peers; who is God's peer?
 
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The Most High God told Moses His name once - or, rather, what He should be called.

His name is sacred, because He is. We aren't supposed to use His name in vain - without reason - in the same way you do not call your mom "Jessica" - whether in the presence of your siblings or common folk. When people ask me my mother or father's name, I initially say, "Ma/Father;" one time I was actually stumped for a few seconds.

Likewise, even if we know His name, we aren't supposed to use it for no reason. The Most High God's name should be "Father," and despite our afforded grace, we shouldn't be so audacious to call the Most High God by His proper name. Usually, that is reserved for peers; who is God's peer?

YHWH's name is used over 6800 times in the Bible, and the oldest written version of His name is on the Ketef Hinnom "silver scrolls" amulets.

We need to use His name instead of using words like the Saxon/Germanic God, the Greek Theos, and the Latin Deus, which are as applicable to Thor and Ptah as to Him and which occlude his nature and being! But I digress :D
 
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That's not really what "name" means there. The meaning is more like "reputation." Compare:

Psalms 105:1: Oh give thanks to the Lord; call upon his name (shem) ...

Proverbs 22:1: A good name (shem) is to be chosen rather than great riches ...

Also the New Testament supports not using the name YHWH; because the New Testament never uses it -- it uses "Lord" (kurios) instead.

Don't you believe that the New Testament is the word of God?

Is this the word of God?

Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
 
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Don't make it so difficult people.
His name is Jesus, once and for all.

How about Emmanuel?

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
 
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How about Emmanuel?

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Indeed, and this binds to Isaiah. Which is the very book we have one of the oldest copies of. It’s in Israel.

Isaiah 43:11 and Luke 2:11 make an interesting case.
 
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