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SHAVUOT/PENTECOST What’s it all about?



This is the time of year when this “Moed” (appointed time) is celebrated. There are three times when all Israelites were commanded to go up to Yerushalayim to celebrate God’s appointed times, Passover, The Feast of Tabernacles, and the Feast of Weeks, known as “Shavuot” or in Greek “Pentecost” which most churches recognize. We all remember the day of “Pentecost” as when the “Ruach HaKodesh” (The Holy Spirit) fell upon all the believers that were gathered in Yerushalayim to celebrate the Feast of Weeks.

Yet the “Feast of Weeks” (Shavuot) had been celebrated yearly for the past thousand years, ever since the day that Fire fell on Mt. Sinai. That was the very first “Shavuot”. When Moshe and the People of Israel received the Torah from God at Sinai in the form of two tablets of stone, but this was just the major points of the Torah, there were to be many more details in the making.

It really goes back to Egypt when the Israelites were still slaves. YHVH made some promises to His people, and we remember those promises in the forms of the 4 cups of wine during Passover.

1. “I am YHVH, I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians

2. “I will deliver you from their bondage

3. “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.

4. “I will take you for MY PEOPLE and I will be YOUR GOD.

The first three were accomplished in Egypt, then, at Sinai, on the day of Shavuot, the 4th promise was fulfilled. YHVH took the 12 tribes of Israel and united them as a NATION. The Israelites left behind Egypt, yet “Egypt” followed them across the Red Sea, in the form of mindset and philosophy and in the form of “false gods” This was evident when they made the “golden calf”. It took YHVH one day to take Israel out of Egypt, but it took 40 years to take Egypt out of Israel.

When we read Exodus 19:18,19 we read about the day of “Torah-giving” at Sinai. They received the Torah amidst lightning, thunder, the sound of the Shofar and the voice of God. Yet when YHVH finished the 10th commandment, the people said, “Speak to us yourself Moshe, but don’t let God speak to us or we will die”

We wonder what would have happened if the people had not said that? Perhaps YHVH would have continued speaking out the commandments in front of all the people. But, YHVH called Moshe up to the top of the Mountain and the rest of the Torah was given. 10 commandments were spoken directly to the people by YHVH, and 603 were spoken by God to Moshe, and later, given to the people

In Leviticus, we see the commandment to celebrate Shavuot in chapter 23:15-22. They were to count “7” sabbaths (49 days) and then the next day (day 50) they were to celebrate. This time was harvest time. During the time of Passover, the barley harvest was ready, then 50 days later, the wheat harvest.

Two loaves of wheat bread were to be made and “waved” before YHVH (up towards heaven, down towards the earth, then to the North, South, East, and West) Blessing and thinking Adonai for the blessings from heaven (the rain that falls from Heaven down to the earth) blessing all the lands of the earth, those lands that are in the North, the South, the East, and the West. When it rains, the seeds come up, grow, and mature, then harvested.

On thing to note, God said; “when you enter the land which I am going to give you and reap the harvest…) So, this was not done while the Israelites were in the wilderness, but when they entered Canaan! And settled that land.

The two loaves of bread were to be baked with leaven. We think of leaven as related to sin, but it is also a good thing, leaven is also related to teaching and instruction. Yes, we are all “leavened” with the “sin nature” yet we are also “leavened” by God’s Word, his Torah, which should “grow” inside of us. So just as bread swells up and grows through leaven, so we grow through the “leaven” of God’s Word.

Together with the two loaves, 7 yearling lambs were offered, also a bullock, two rams, and a drink offering were presented as burnt offerings. The lambs symbolize “Yeshua” who is the “lamb of God” the number 7 symbolizes perfection. The bullock symbolizes the “strength” of Adonai, the two rams remind us of the substitute ram which took Isaac’s place on Mt. Moriah. Two rams, perhaps one for the Jews and other for the Gentiles, with the understanding that Yeshua was the substitute and redeemer for both Israel and for the rest of the nations (HaGoyim) The drink offering was wine, which symbolizes the blood of Yeshua.

One can wonder, why 2 loaves? The number 2 in Hebrew can symbolize “union and division”. It takes 2 entities to make a covenant. In our case, Yeshua and us! Through his death, we are “united” in Him when we trust Him as our LORD and Savior, and we are “divided” from the lost world of perdition.

We can look at the number 2 as in the loaves of bread as things that come in pairs; 2 tablets of the commandments, transformation and resurrection, cleansing and purification, death and life illustrated by the believer’s baptism, but it also symbolizes the Jews and Gentiles.

We can also see parallels in Sinai and Yerushalayim; Fire came down on Sinai, it also came down at Jerusalem. The fire at Sinai did not touch the people, the fire during Jerusalem’s Pentecost DID touch each and every believer! At Sinai, the “Ruach Elohim” (Spirit of God) rested on Moshe, at Pentecost, it INDWELLED in every believer. At Sinai, the Torah was written on tables of Stone and read to the people, at Jerusalem, the Torah was written on the tables of the heart of believers. Both events took place on Shavuot, both events were accompanied by languages. At Sinai, in Hebrew, at Jerusalem, in Hebrew PLUS many, many other languages (some believe 70)

At Sinai, there was a mixed-multitude (Israelites, Egyptians, and perhaps Nubians) at Jerusalem, people from all over the then populated world. The Torah is the teaching, the Holy Spirit is the “teacher” Pentecost at Jerusalem also fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy: “For out of Zion shall come forth the Torah and the WORD of Adonai, from Jerusalem” (2:3)

At Sinai, the people were kept away, at Jerusalem, the people were touched by God, the glory of God came to each believer. In Old Testament times, the Spirit of God rested on only certain individuals, such as the Prophets, at Pentecost, it filled ALL BELIEVERS just as today, when a person receives Yeshua as LORD and Savior, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside of that person.

Another note; the Hebrew word KOLOT means both “voices” and “thunder”. At Sinai, the people heard “voices” both thunder and the voice of God. At Jerusalem, the people heard the “voices” of those who were gifted with the different languages to preach God’s WORD.

A final note, the first fruits of the harvest can symbolize “Yeshua” and the “harvest” itself, ALL BELIEVERS who are part of it. Today, there is still much “fruit” to harvest, so, we must get busy and teach the word and share the gospel with those who have an ear to hear and a heart to accept the same.

HAG SAMEACH SHAVUOT HAPPY SHAVUOT/PENTECOST

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SHAVUOT/PENTECOST What’s it all about?



This is the time of year when this “Moed” (appointed time) is celebrated. There are three times when all Israelites were commanded to go up to Yerushalayim to celebrate God’s appointed times, Passover, The Feast of Tabernacles, and the Feast of Weeks, known as “Shavuot” or in Greek “Pentecost” which most churches recognize. We all remember the day of “Pentecost” as when the “Ruach HaKodesh” (The Holy Spirit) fell upon all the believers that were gathered in Yerushalayim to celebrate the Feast of Weeks.

Yet the “Feast of Weeks” (Shavuot) had been celebrated yearly for the past thousand years, ever since the day that Fire fell on Mt. Sinai. That was the very first “Shavuot”. When Moshe and the People of Israel received the Torah from God at Sinai in the form of two tablets of stone, but this was just the major points of the Torah, there were to be many more details in the making.

It really goes back to Egypt when the Israelites were still slaves. YHVH made some promises to His people, and we remember those promises in the forms of the 4 cups of wine during Passover.

1. “I am YHVH, I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians

2. “I will deliver you from their bondage

3. “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.

4. “I will take you for MY PEOPLE and I will be YOUR GOD.

The first three were accomplished in Egypt, then, at Sinai, on the day of Shavuot, the 4th promise was fulfilled. YHVH took the 12 tribes of Israel and united them as a NATION. The Israelites left behind Egypt, yet “Egypt” followed them across the Red Sea, in the form of mindset and philosophy and in the form of “false gods” This was evident when they made the “golden calf”. It took YHVH one day to take Israel out of Egypt, but it took 40 years to take Egypt out of Israel.

When we read Exodus 19:18,19 we read about the day of “Torah-giving” at Sinai. They received the Torah amidst lightning, thunder, the sound of the Shofar and the voice of God. Yet when YHVH finished the 10th commandment, the people said, “Speak to us yourself Moshe, but don’t let God speak to us or we will die”

We wonder what would have happened if the people had not said that? Perhaps YHVH would have continued speaking out the commandments in front of all the people. But, YHVH called Moshe up to the top of the Mountain and the rest of the Torah was given. 10 commandments were spoken directly to the people by YHVH, and 603 were spoken by God to Moshe, and later, given to the people

In Leviticus, we see the commandment to celebrate Shavuot in chapter 23:15-22. They were to count “7” sabbaths (49 days) and then the next day (day 50) they were to celebrate. This time was harvest time. During the time of Passover, the barley harvest was ready, then 50 days later, the wheat harvest.

Two loaves of wheat bread were to be made and “waved” before YHVH (up towards heaven, down towards the earth, then to the North, South, East, and West) Blessing and thinking Adonai for the blessings from heaven (the rain that falls from Heaven down to the earth) blessing all the lands of the earth, those lands that are in the North, the South, the East, and the West. When it rains, the seeds come up, grow, and mature, then harvested.

On thing to note, God said; “when you enter the land which I am going to give you and reap the harvest…) So, this was not done while the Israelites were in the wilderness, but when they entered Canaan! And settled that land.

The two loaves of bread were to be baked with leaven. We think of leaven as related to sin, but it is also a good thing, leaven is also related to teaching and instruction. Yes, we are all “leavened” with the “sin nature” yet we are also “leavened” by God’s Word, his Torah, which should “grow” inside of us. So just as bread swells up and grows through leaven, so we grow through the “leaven” of God’s Word.

Together with the two loaves, 7 yearling lambs were offered, also a bullock, two rams, and a drink offering were presented as burnt offerings. The lambs symbolize “Yeshua” who is the “lamb of God” the number 7 symbolizes perfection. The bullock symbolizes the “strength” of Adonai, the two rams remind us of the substitute ram which took Isaac’s place on Mt. Moriah. Two rams, perhaps one for the Jews and other for the Gentiles, with the understanding that Yeshua was the substitute and redeemer for both Israel and for the rest of the nations (HaGoyim) The drink offering was wine, which symbolizes the blood of Yeshua.

One can wonder, why 2 loaves? The number 2 in Hebrew can symbolize “union and division”. It takes 2 entities to make a covenant. In our case, Yeshua and us! Through his death, we are “united” in Him when we trust Him as our LORD and Savior, and we are “divided” from the lost world of perdition.

We can look at the number 2 as in the loaves of bread as things that come in pairs; 2 tablets of the commandments, transformation and resurrection, cleansing and purification, death and life illustrated by the believer’s baptism, but it also symbolizes the Jews and Gentiles.

We can also see parallels in Sinai and Yerushalayim; Fire came down on Sinai, it also came down at Jerusalem. The fire at Sinai did not touch the people, the fire during Jerusalem’s Pentecost DID touch each and every believer! At Sinai, the “Ruach Elohim” (Spirit of God) rested on Moshe, at Pentecost, it INDWELLED in every believer. At Sinai, the Torah was written on tables of Stone and read to the people, at Jerusalem, the Torah was written on the tables of the heart of believers. Both events took place on Shavuot, both events were accompanied by languages. At Sinai, in Hebrew, at Jerusalem, in Hebrew PLUS many, many other languages (some believe 70)

At Sinai, there was a mixed-multitude (Israelites, Egyptians, and perhaps Nubians) at Jerusalem, people from all over the then populated world. The Torah is the teaching, the Holy Spirit is the “teacher” Pentecost at Jerusalem also fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy: “For out of Zion shall come forth the Torah and the WORD of Adonai, from Jerusalem” (2:3)

At Sinai, the people were kept away, at Jerusalem, the people were touched by God, the glory of God came to each believer. In Old Testament times, the Spirit of God rested on only certain individuals, such as the Prophets, at Pentecost, it filled ALL BELIEVERS just as today, when a person receives Yeshua as LORD and Savior, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside of that person.

Another note; the Hebrew word KOLOT means both “voices” and “thunder”. At Sinai, the people heard “voices” both thunder and the voice of God. At Jerusalem, the people heard the “voices” of those who were gifted with the different languages to preach God’s WORD.

A final note, the first fruits of the harvest can symbolize “Yeshua” and the “harvest” itself, ALL BELIEVERS who are part of it. Today, there is still much “fruit” to harvest, so, we must get busy and teach the word and share the gospel with those who have an ear to hear and a heart to accept the same.

HAG SAMEACH SHAVUOT HAPPY SHAVUOT/PENTECOST

Rabbi Ben Avraham

Beth Yeshua Messianic Synagogue
What is the difference between messianic Judaism and Christianity?
 
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Judaism is action and faith.
It is not beyond the spirit that avoiding answering my question comprehensively and by answering accordingly, imply that Christianity has no action nor faith. Thus, I cannot receive your answer as factual but solely as opinion based upon one's own understanding.
 
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It is not beyond the spirit that avoiding answering my question comprehensively and by answering accordingly, imply that Christianity has no action nor faith. Thus, I cannot receive your answer as factual but solely as opinion based upon one's own understanding.
My apologies .. there was no "imply" by my statement.. sorry for the misconstrue... Let's say.. different as it is based on Mount Sinai Yeshua version... not greek/roman style.
 
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Galatians 4:8-10
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.
9But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?
10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

Galatians 4:21-31
21Tell me, you who want to be under the Law, do you not understand what the Law says?
22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.
23His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born because of the promise.

24These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.
25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
27For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren woman,

who bears no children;

break forth and cry aloud,

you who have never travailed;

because more are the children of the desolate woman,

than of her who has a husband.”

28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of the promise.
29At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.

30But what does the Scripture say? “Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”
31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
 
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Galatians 4:8-10
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.
.. this is your clue as to the audience to which Paul is addressing... "you know not God"
9But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
Now I ask you, here are the newly converted to Yeshua's Judaism from paganism, so what "observing special days, months, seasons, and years would a newly converted "go back to and be enslaved by them"... hint .. paganism.
Galatians 4:21Tell me, you who want to be under the Law, do you not understand what the Law says?
just for clarification "under the law" is the same thing as saying "breaking the law".. because the only time the law comes down on you, is when you break it. That is the only way you end up "under the law"
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born because of the promise. 24These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud,
you who have never travailed; because more are the children of the desolate woman, than of her who has a husband.”
have you ever asked yourself about "Hagar at Mount Sinai".. 1) Hagar and her children were never at Mount Sinai when the ten commandments were given. 2) the family line of Israel [Hebrews] were from Abraham's son of the free women who were at Mount Sinai and received the promise.
28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of the promise. 29At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Hope that helps.
 
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.. this is your clue as to the audience to which Paul is addressing... "you know not God"
Now I ask you, here are the newly converted to Yeshua's Judaism from paganism, so what "observing special days, months, seasons, and years would a newly converted "go back to and be enslaved by them"... hint .. paganism. just for clarification "under the law" is the same thing as saying "breaking the law".. because the only time the law comes down on you, is when you break it. That is the only way you end up "under the law"
have you ever asked yourself about "Hagar at Mount Sinai".. 1) Hagar and her children were never at Mount Sinai when the ten commandments were given. 2) the family line of Israel [Hebrews] were from Abraham's son of the free women who were at Mount Sinai and received the promise.
Hope that helps.
The verses were for you to digest, not interpret for my sake. Somehow you missed this.
The reason I ask and the reasoning...
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
John 17:11
"I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Romans 9:30-33
30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Acts of the Apostles 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thus we are called Christians because we are Christ's.
We are called Israel because we are God's chosen people.
We are not separate groups, for we are all in the same spirit and of one body.

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Romans 11:23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 3:19-31
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Justified by Faith

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So again I ask,
what is the difference between Messianic Jews and Christianity if not unlike the Pharisee of old?
Wherein Pharisee:
Phar·i·see
ˈferəˌsē/
noun
noun: Pharisee; plural noun: Pharisees
a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
  • a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.

Word Origin and History for Pharisee
n.


from Old English Fariseos, Old French pharise (13c.), and directly from Late Latin Pharisæus, from Greek Pharisaios, from Aramaic perishayya, emphatic plural of perish "separated, separatist," corresponding to Hebrew parush, from parash "he separated." Ancient Jewish sect (2c. B.C.E.-1c. C.E.) distinguished by strict observance but regarded as pretentious and self-righteous, at least by Jesus (Matt. xxiii:27). Meaning "self-righteous person, formalist, hypocrite" is attested from 1580s.

So being separated or a separatist from Christianity,
Jude 1:19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Or is it 1 Kings 19:18
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Romans 11:7-8
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

If you were of the remnant, according to scripture, you do not see it. So by default, you're a Christian.
If not,
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

So again what is the difference between the two?
If its Judaism, a Jew.
If its Christianity, a Christian.
Just interested how this all flows. I'd rather see you know Jesus.
 
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The verses were for you to digest, not interpret for my sake. Somehow you missed this.
The reason I ask and the reasoning...
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
John 17:11
"I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Romans 9:30-33
30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Acts of the Apostles 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thus we are called Christians because we are Christ's.
We are called Israel because we are God's chosen people.
We are not separate groups, for we are all in the same spirit and of one body.

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Romans 11:23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 3:19-31
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Justified by Faith

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So again I ask,
what is the difference between Messianic Jews and Christianity if not unlike the Pharisee of old?
Wherein Pharisee:
Phar·i·see
ˈferəˌsē/
noun
noun: Pharisee; plural noun: Pharisees
a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
  • a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.

Word Origin and History for Pharisee
n.


from Old English Fariseos, Old French pharise (13c.), and directly from Late Latin Pharisæus, from Greek Pharisaios, from Aramaic perishayya, emphatic plural of perish "separated, separatist," corresponding to Hebrew parush, from parash "he separated." Ancient Jewish sect (2c. B.C.E.-1c. C.E.) distinguished by strict observance but regarded as pretentious and self-righteous, at least by Jesus (Matt. xxiii:27). Meaning "self-righteous person, formalist, hypocrite" is attested from 1580s.

So being separated or a separatist from Christianity,
Jude 1:19
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Or is it 1 Kings 19:18
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Romans 11:7-8
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

If you were of the remnant, according to scripture, you do not see it. So by default, you're a Christian.
If not,
Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

So again what is the difference between the two?
If its Judaism, a Jew.
If its Christianity, a Christian.
Just interested how this all flows. I'd rather see you know Jesus.
You are here to fellowship, ask questions, and learn about what we believe... you are now preaching... against the rules. You seem to think that Yeshua was a Christian. When you realise He is the King of the Jews, He came to save the lost of Israel, and His faith is Judaism [His style] you will see it didn't come from Greece nor Rome.
 
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You are here to fellowship, ask questions, and learn about what we believe... you are now preaching... against the rules. You seem to think that Yeshua was a Christian. When you realise He is the King of the Jews, He came to save the lost of Israel, and His faith is Judaism [His style] you will see it didn't come from Greece nor Rome.
On the contrary, I EXPLAINED the REASONING for my questions which is of course, according to the scriptures. Jesus is the Christ. His followers were called Christians. Israel is the whole body of God's chosen people. Given that God is a spirit, and label it however you will, to worship God is to worship in spirit and truth, thereby making "spiritual Israel", the lost he came to save. Greece nor Rome have anything to do with what I'm talking about. My question remains..
What's the difference between Messianic Judaism and Christianity?
According to the same Bible you and I both apparently read, we are one body IN HIS NAME, so why make a point to separate or distinguish oneself as a Jew when his name is Christ?
It's the fact I'm rather confused.
Are you a Christian??
 
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On the contrary, I EXPLAINED the REASONING for my questions which is of course, according to the scriptures. Jesus is the Christ. His followers were called Christians. Israel is the whole body of God's chosen people. Given that God is a spirit, and label it however you will, to worship God is to worship in spirit and truth, thereby making "spiritual Israel", the lost he came to save. Greece nor Rome have anything to do with what I'm talking about. My question remains..
What's the difference between Messianic Judaism and Christianity?
According to the same Bible you and I both apparently read, we are one body IN HIS NAME, so why make a point to separate or distinguish oneself as a Jew when his name is Christ?
It's the fact I'm rather confused.
Are you a Christian??
Simple... Is worshipping God in spirit and truth according to Rome and Greece or Mount Sinai the truth? I say God spoke directly is the truth and any indirect innuendos convoluted by centuries of traditions are lies.

His name was never Christ or Jesus. That term only came about in later years after His death. The name "Christ" was given 50 years or so after His death and was a jeering insult that the pagans threw in the gentile believers face. He, Himself, lived and walked and responded to Yeshua, His birth name, His whole life. His title is Messiah. I, personally, find it distasteful to speak or think of Him with the name of "Jesus Christ" as it is currently used more frequently as a curse word.

Why make a point of separating or distinguishing yourself as not part of the commonwealth of Israel by which Yeshua identified, created, and clarified as His? If you are one body with Him, then why are you not doing as He does and thinks? Who do you think met with Moses on Mount Sinai and gave Him the TEN in the first place?
 
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Simple... Is worshipping God in spirit and truth according to Rome and Greece or Mount Sinai the truth? I say God spoke directly is the truth and any indirect innuendos convoluted by centuries of traditions are lies.

His name was never Christ or Jesus. That term only came about in later years after His death. The name "Christ" was given 50 years or so after His death and was a jeering insult that the pagans threw in the gentile believers face. He, Himself, lived and walked and responded to Yeshua, His birth name, His whole life. His title is Messiah. I, personally, find it distasteful to speak or think of Him with the name of "Jesus Christ" as it is currently used more frequently as a curse word.

Why make a point of separating or distinguishing yourself as not part of the commonwealth of Israel by which Yeshua identified, created, and clarified as His? If you are one body with Him, then why are you not doing as He does and thinks? Who do you think met with Moses on Mount Sinai and gave Him the TEN in the first place?
Read your Bible more carefully. Who was it that went with Moses? His minister.
From recollection, the name "Jesus" is used to distinguish Christ from Joshua (the High Priest from the Old Testament/Moses minister), as the name "Jesus" is Latin,Greek? and the Bible I read is in English, while the New Testament was authored in Greek originally. To call him Yeshua is to translate it to Hebrew which I do not speak.
5547. Christos
Strong's Concordance
Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ
Original Word: Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Christos
Phonetic Spelling: (khris-tos')
Short Definition: Anointed One, the Messiah, the Christ
Definition: Anointed One; the Messiah, the Christ.
HELPS Word-studies
5547 Xristós (from 5548 /xríō, "anoint with olive oil") – properly, "the Anointed One," the Christ (Hebrew, "Messiah").

Not certain why we are speaking linguistics and/or semantics because Christ is Greek, Messiah is Hebrew, and we're speaking English.
The Greek translation of Messiah is khristos (χριστός), anglicized as Christ, and Christians commonly refer to Jesus as either the "Christ" or the "Messiah".
In other words, you're picking a fight where there is none.
Nor do I understand the direct shots when I am speaking frankly with no ill-intent.
I understand the concept quite fully of who he is, where he came from, the whole ten yards.
I'm still grasping for the understanding part of the term "Jew" for a believer of Jesus. That's what I am asking, because I do in fact acknowledge "Israel" as "the body of believers".
Not sure if I'm asking or phrasing this correctly.
 
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