Does God Love everyone?

Archivist said:

First of all you don’t need to shout. It is rude.

Second, where does to Bible say that?

God loves everyone. Period.

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I'll shout if I feel like it. You can handle it.

1 This is a divine revelation. The Lord spoke his word to Israel through Malachi.

2 “I loved you,” says the Lord.

“But you ask, ‘How did you love us?’

“Wasn’t Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “I loved Jacob, 3 but Esau I hated. I turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the jackals in the desert.

4 “The descendants of Esau may say, ‘We have been beaten down, but we will rebuild the ruins.’

“Yet, this is what the Lord of Armies says: They may rebuild, but I will tear it down. They will be called ‘the Wicked Land’ and ‘the people with whom the Lord is always angry.’ 5 You will see these things with your own eyes and say, ‘Even outside the borders of Israel the Lord is great.’

Rukado said:

Jesus showed us perfect hatred of the Jews who rejected him. Jesus said they were of the devil and that they'd burn in Hell. His every encounter with them and his every word about them was a display of divine hatred of them.

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Yes, and we are to follow him and be like him. Lets say for you and me, this is literal hate. We walk into a group of people that we discern hates the Lord. What do we do and say to them.....today.....not what was done in the past....how do we repeat it today?

HypnoToad said:

Sure. But the only evidence that there is any "sin against God" here relies on logical fallacies and your say-so.
It's called logic. Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits. You say we can't know who is elect. If both Jesus and you are correct, then we CAN know false prophets, but CAN'T know who is elect. Which means you must believe there are false prophets among the elect, since, according to you, we can't know whether or not those false prophets are elect or not.
Yet you've been shown that the Bible uses "hate" differently than how we typically use it today.
So, those enemies that we are told to love - you believe they are sinless?
Romans 5:8 - "But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ
died for us."
So, God right there loves sinners. But you claim God NOT loving sinners is the Biblical view?
Why is that hate different, other than because you need it to be to fit your doctrine? The text certainly doesn't make that distinction itself.
There you go again, thinking punishment precludes love.
Nowhere did Jesus limit the parents to be hated to those who are "enemies of God". To follow Christ's command (according to your view), all Christians have to hate their parents REGARDLESS of if those parents are "enemies" or not.
It offers everyone the chance of salvation.

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Then you must not know that ALL sin is against God.
Logic is unbiblical. Reason and the Word of God. You're using worldly methods to interpret the Word. That alone reveals how you think and the way you think is definitely not a conforming to His Word and His way of thinking. Big Error on your part.
False prophets are those who think they were commissioned by God in Matthew 28 to "peach" the good news about Jesus to everyone. We are NOT all apostles. We are NOT ALL mouths in the Body of Christ. Where is the eye? Or the ear? No, taking the so-called "Great Commission" and instructing Christians as soon as they are born again - not false conversions...the Arminian in the church tells all new believers they have to go and preach the gospel, have to love the world who are God's enemies which makes the Christian sin against God by teaching Christians they must love the world and the unsaved who ARE the world!
There is no redundancy here...

1 John 2:15 (KJV)
15 Love not the world (unsaved people), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

This makes you a traitor to the King of Kings. I don't chill with traitors. But I will finish this.

QUOTE: Romans 5:8 - "But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So, God right there loves sinners. But you claim God NOT loving sinners is the Biblical view?​

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RESPONSE: Romans was written by Paul, a believer in Covenant with God TO and FOR Christians in Rome. Read it in that context. The "us" are believers in Covenant with God:​

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Romans 1:7 (KJV)
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you (not unbelievers) and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Too many errors in your belief system. You NEED to be DISCIPLED IF you are true brethren.

Thanks for revealing the traitors.

Oh, by the way...you say Jesus/God loves everyone?

When Jesus returns He comes to war against Israel's enemies, (those He loves?), and the Church's enemies (those He loves?), God's enemies (the world - 1 Jn. 2:15), and MY enemies....so tell me...who are these people Jesus destroys when He returns?

Those He loves???

If that's the case I will be watching my back in glory FOREVER if that's the love of God.

Done.

Hammster said:

Okay. And how does this relate to anything that’s being discussed?

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It's been explained. I can't understand it for you.

Andrew Jeremiah said:

Then you must not know that ALL sin is against God.

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I don't see how that conclusion follows at all from what I said.

Logic is unbiblical.

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Well, since you're admitting you argument is not logical and devoid of reason, I guess that's all we need to know.

HypnoToad said:

Yet you've been shown that the Bible uses "hate" differently than how we typically use it today.

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I'm unimpressed by people dismissing what the Bible says by accusing the Bible of using figures of speech, as an arbitrary convenience. And, I have no respect for dismissing what the Bible says as figures of speech while at the same time asserting contrary doctrines the Bible doesn't teach unless you play very loose with the text.

It is your accusation that the Bible uses "hate" differently. And, you must maintain that claim to a ludicrous degree as the Bible uses "hate" many times, in many different contexts.

So, those enemies that we are told to love - you believe they are sinless?

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It's hypocrisy when you dismiss one thing Jesus says as a figure of speech but you insist on taking something else, but similar, that he says as literal. Why is this not a figure of speech when he tells us to love our enemies?

It doesn't matter. Us loving our enemies, even if taken literally, still does not mean God loves everyone.

Romans 5:8 - "But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So, God right there loves sinners. But you claim God NOT loving sinners is the Biblical view?

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You read into a verses what they clearly don't say. Romans 5:8 doesn't say God loved us when we were sinners. E.g. I could love children (non-babies) but hate babies, and I could say "I demonstrate my love for children by adopting babies." I had to adopt the baby to get the child I love. And, even I loved a particular baby, I could still hate other babies, the ones I chose not to adopt. BTW, you ignore that Romans 5:8 implies that Christians are not sinners.

There you go again, thinking punishment precludes love.

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There you go again, with the asinine belief that inflicting infinite punishment, with no hope of rehabilitation, is comparable with love.

Punishment (infliction of discomfort) is only a component of love when it can lead to rehabilitation.

Nowhere did Jesus limit the parents to be hated to those who are "enemies of God". To follow Christ's command (according to your view), all Christians have to hate their parents REGARDLESS of if those parents are "enemies" or not.

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You're taking a rule and making it a universal law to try to refute it as a rule. The Bible is filled with rules that are not universal laws, such as a warning about throwing pearls before swine or stoning adulterers. The Bible also tells us to correct fools and Jesus lets off an adulterer.

Christians are to love one another. If our parents are Christians, we are then instructed to love our parents. The Bible instructs us to hate the enemies of God, so if our parents are enemies of God, we should hate them.

It offers everyone the chance of salvation.

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No one has a "chance" of salvation. God doesn't play dice with our souls.

Hammster said:

If you think it somehow relates to the OP, then okay.

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I was addressing Andrew about loving enemies when YOU stepped in and took what I said to him (I wasn't even talking to you) and replied to me about judging the elect. YOU are the one who brought it up, not me.

Invalidusername said:

I'll shout if I feel like it. You can handle it.

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Gee, my parents taught me to be polite to others. Apparently your parents did not. Sad.

1 This is a divine revelation. The Lord spoke his word to Israel through Malachi.

2 “I loved you,” says the Lord.

“But you ask, ‘How did you love us?’

“Wasn’t Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “I loved Jacob, 3 but Esau I hated. I turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the jackals in the desert.

4 “The descendants of Esau may say, ‘We have been beaten down, but we will rebuild the ruins.’

“Yet, this is what the Lord of Armies says: They may rebuild, but I will tear it down. They will be called ‘the Wicked Land’ and ‘the people with whom the Lord is always angry.’ 5 You will see these things with your own eyes and say, ‘Even outside the borders of Israel the Lord is great.’

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Yes, I am familiar with these verses, but this isn't what I asked you. I asked where does Scripture say that the word hate means that God actually hated Esau, but when used in the NT it does not mean that we are to actually hate our parents, spouses and children? Show me exactly where that is stated.

Rukado said:

Christians are to love one another. If our parents are Christians, we are then instructed to love our parents. The Bible instructs us to hate the enemies of God, so if our parents are enemies of God, we should hate them.

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Interesting. In Matthew 5:44–45, Jesus says, “I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.” Perhaps your Bible is missing that.

Rukado said:

I'm unimpressed by people dismissing what the Bible says by accusing the Bible of using figures of speech, as an arbitrary convenience. And, I have no respect for dismissing what the Bible says as figures of speech while at the same time asserting contrary doctrines the Bible doesn't teach unless you play very loose with the text.

It is your accusation that the Bible uses "hate" differently. And, you must maintain that claim to a ludicrous degree as the Bible uses "hate" many times, in many different contexts.

It's hypocrisy when you dismiss one thing Jesus says as a figure of speech but you insist on taking something else, but similar, that he says as literal. Why is this not a figure of speech when he tells us to love our enemies?

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I didn't say it was a figure of speech. I said the Bible uses "hate" differently than we use it today, and that God doesn't love and hate the way we love and hate.

Here's a couple articles relating to it:
Are we to love the sinner but hate the sin?
"God can perfectly love and hate a person at the same time"

Merciful Truth : Does God Hate You, Sinner?
"God hated this world of sinners, yet he loved those same sinners."
"as much as God was loving us, He was also hating us too."
"God hated the world, and God loved the world. What a paradox. But, the Bible says so."

Long story short, God's hate doesn't preclude God's love.

You read into a verses what they clearly don't say. Romans 5:8 doesn't say God loved us when we were sinners.

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Yes it does. The "demonstration of love" happened while we were sinners. God demonstrates love for people while not loving them?? That doesn't make any sense.

E.g. I could love children (non-babies) but hate babies, and I could say "I demonstrate my love for children by adopting babies." I had to adopt the baby to get the child I love. And, even I loved a particular baby, I could still hate other babies, the ones I chose not to adopt.

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This assumes God loves/hates the way you do. I, however, tend to think God's ways are higher and are above ours. God doesn't love/hate the way you do.

There you go again, with the asinine belief that inflicting infinite punishment, with no hope of rehabilitation, is comparable with love.

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It's so asinine, yet no one has actually demonstrated how hell precludes God's love. Just claiming it isn't good enough.

Punishment (infliction of discomfort) is only a component of love when it can lead to rehabilitation.

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Sure, cuz you say so.

No one has a "chance" of salvation. God doesn't play dice with our souls.

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Offering everyone the chance is not "playing dice".

Hammster said:

Oh. Okay. All I pointed out was that you cannot judge who is elect, so we love everyone. And nothing has been posted to counter that.

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I did, in fact, counter your claim that we can not judge who is elect.

Hammster said:

Okay. That still doesn’t make your story fit with the text.

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I don't care. And you are on ignore.

Andrew Jeremiah said:

"Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed."

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I did not say, or even imply or suggest that Hammster is not a Christian! I was merely saying that I can ignore all of what he writes!

Hammster said:

If that’s the case, then all of the world, every person who has lived and will live, has had their trespasses forgiven by having their debt cancelled.

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I hope for that.

Kevin Snow said:

As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” ~Romans 9:13

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In order to understand this we need to go back and see how Esau threw away his birthright, and Edom become a bitter enemy of Israel.

The Bible says that God hates iniquity and that He is angry with the wicked everyday. That does not mean that He has not -- in His love -- made provision for their salvation.

But God is love so how does he show his love to those whom he hates?

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By giving them many opportunities to repent.