Does God Love everyone?

Hammster said:

Personal attack aside, your post still has nothing to do with the text.

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You can be ignored, you know.

Hammster said:

I never said we couldn’t disagree. At best I would say that while we can both be wrong, we can’t both be right.

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No, but you could be wrong am I could be right.

Archivist said:

And I agree with that interpretation. But there are people in this thread looking at the OT God hates Esau and saying that it is proof that God hates certain people, but when the NT says you should hate your parents, well that really means something else. I don’t read either of them literally. God loves everyone. He hates the sin but loves the sinner.

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Oh please, God tells us of and shows his hatred to a lot more people than just Esau. And, he never tells us he loves everyone. He never tells us he loves the sinner. Your doctrines are your own, and not from the Bible. You might love evil people, but God doesn't.

Just because Jesus might have used a figure of speech about hating your parents doesn't mean it's a figure of speech when God says he hates the Canaanites for their immorality and then tells the Israelites to commit genocide against them. Maybe you think genocide is an act of love?

I don't believe Jesus used a figure of speech about hating your parents. If your parents are enemies of God, they should be hated, even your own parents.

Rukado said:

Oh please, God tells us of and shows his hatred to a lot more people than just Esau. And, he never tells us he loves everyone. He never tells us he loves the sinner. Your doctrines are your own, and not from the Bible. You might love evil people, but God doesn't.

Just because Jesus might have used a figure of speech about hating your parents doesn't mean it's a figure of speech when God says he hates the Canaanites for their immorality and then tells the Israelites to commit genocide against them. Maybe you think genocide is an act of love?

I don't believe Jesus used a figure of speech about hating your parents. If your parents are enemies of God, they should be hated, even your own parents.

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Very sad. You are, of course entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is—opinion.

Hammster said:

Not likely.

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Once again you are claiming that either only you are right or at the worst youre wrong but so is everyone in this thread who disagrees with you. What I and others are arguing—that God loves everyone—can’t possibly be right.

Sorry I cannot argue with a brick wall, particularly a brick wall who is so very wrong, so I’m out of this discussion.

People confuse this idea that God punishes people with the idea that he hates them. He is a Just God and without punishing sin he would be unjust. We are HIS creation, he owes us NOTHING. The truth is we owe him everything, and so many use the very breath in their lungs to curse him. I was like that, did that mean God hated me? Of course not. God loved me and shed his blood for me. Every wretched sinner he feels the same for. It is not his will that any would perish, but we would be nothing more than automatons without the free will to choose to follow him.

If we have no free will then God created people simply for the purpose of going to hell. If we have no free will and some of you are right, he created automatons just so he could hate them. That is a God who is the author of confusion, that is not who he is. That certainly wouldn't be a God that reached at to me, someone who loathed him and his people. I think it is easy for some believers to say "Well God hates them so why bother reaching them." That isn't God, that is Satan tempting you.

Rukado said:

Oh please, God tells us of and shows his hatred to a lot more people than just Esau. And, he never tells us he loves everyone. He never tells us he loves the sinner. Your doctrines are your own, and not from the Bible. You might love evil people, but God doesn't.

Just because Jesus might have used a figure of speech about hating your parents doesn't mean it's a figure of speech when God says he hates the Canaanites for their immorality and then tells the Israelites to commit genocide against them. Maybe you think genocide is an act of love?

I don't believe Jesus used a figure of speech about hating your parents. If your parents are enemies of God, they should be hated, even your own parents.

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How are we suppose to hate in the name of god? Can you give an example of what this would look like?

RaymondG said:

I can quote more than a few.....but you like painting incorrect pictures.....I wouldn't want others to think I'm saying anything against Paul's teaching.....wouldnt want to cause others to stumble....maybe this is best done in a private manner.

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Oh so you're making the assumption that I like to paint the wrong picture? As in I like lying and manipulating people? I think this conversation is done.

Archivist said:

And I agree with that interpretation. But there are people in this thread looking at the OT God hates Esau and saying that it is proof that God hates certain people, but when the NT says you should hate your parents, well that really means something else. I don’t read either of them literally. God loves everyone. He hates the sin but loves the sinner.

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The Bible is literal but Jesus does speak in symbolic means. However when God said He hated Esau and love Jacob, he was 100% telling the truth.

Invalidusername said:

The Bible is literal but Jesus does speak in symbolic means. However when God said He hated Esau and love Jacob, he was 100% telling the truth.

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And where does Scripture say that. That is your opinion and nothing more.

Monk Brendan said:

You can be ignored, you know.

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"Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed."

IF you are an obedient Biblical Christian who holds to the Scripture and the instruction and command to test people to KNOW WHETHER they are OF GOD or not:

1 John 4:1 (KJV)
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

PS. It's the Authorized Version.

Hammster said:

Pulling verses out of context and highlighting the words you think are pertinent is not proper study.

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How did i take them out of context?

W2L said:

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

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Hammster said:

So His love is limited. Good post.

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W2L said:

How limited is the Lords love for us?

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Hammster said:

For His sheep? Unlimited.

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LittleLambofJesus said:

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Thank you.

majj27 said:

I've seen this kind of thing here before. Sometimes it's as simple as someone dancing right up to the line of calling some a non-Christian or a hell-bound apostate without actually coming out and saying it.

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Methinks majj27 has had quite enough to smoke out there...
Wait! It's called Christian psychoanalysis, right?
Bible calls it being a busy-body.