The Son of Man

Man on Fire · May 22, 2018

What exactly is The Son of Man? God has reveled some things to me. There are a lot of complex ideas here. I will work to show them as best I am allowed to. I am going to connect some dots for Bible Study and contemplation.

Son of Man would be Son of Adam? Able, the first murder, was a Son of Adam. He offered God his first born lambs and the best of his flock. (Genesis 4:4) The Lord is a Shepherd.

Prophet Ezekiel is Son of Man in the Bible. Jesus is Son of Man. Son of Man may be roughly translated to "Born due to The Sins of Men." Able was born due to Adam's sin. Not because of sin or in sin, but due to sin, Able was born. Ezekiel came at a time where God's Judgement was being brought on Jerusalem and Judah. Ezekiel laid on his side for 390 days to simulate the siege of Jerusalem. He was "Born or Called Due to the Sins of Men?" There was a falling away, and God acted. Jesus is Son of Man. Jesus may have come at a time where there was a lot of wickedness similar to the time of Noah and/or Sodom and God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son. Jesus Christ prophesied the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. Not too long after his death, the Temple was destroyed and then The Diaspora. In Ezekiel 23, Israel and Judah prostituted themselves with the Nations. God sent them into the Nations. Eye for an Eye?

Jesus talks about Son of Man in the Third Person. Your Body is a Temple, the Spirit of God lives in you. Jesus lives in men through his Holy Spirit. Jesus talking about the Son of Man in the Third person may reference him living in people through his Spirit. The Son of Man returning on a Throne of Glory may be return in a man. (Matthew 25:31) Man is God's Glory. (1 Corinthians 11:7) A man's Body may be a throne?

Going back to Ezekiel, Ezekiel is Son of Man. God takes Ezekiel's wife.

15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, with one blow I am about to take away from you the delight of your eyes. Yet do not lament or weep or shed any tears. 17 Groan quietly; do not mourn for the dead. Keep your turban fastened and your sandals on your feet; do not cover your mustache and beard or eat the customary food of mourners.” (Ezekiel 24:15-17)

God takes Ezekiel's wife. Why? Your Body is a Temple for the Spirit of God. God is long suffering. A Prophet may know God's suffering. In Ezekiel 23 you have Samaria and Jerusalem as wives God married who prostituted themselves with foreign gods and foreign nations. Ezekiel may have needed to know and feel loss. Also, God gave authority on Earth to Adam. Adam lost that authority in original sin. Man is made in the image of God. What man does on Earth may reflect something. A Prophet working in obedience to God may have given God legal authority to act due to spiritual laws. God was bringing his Judgement. God took Ezekiel's wife.

God took Ezekiel's wife, and Ezekiel is Son of Man. The Son of Man comes as a Bridegroom looking for a Bride. Jesus Christ is the Bridegroom. There are the Parables of the 10 Virgins and the Parables of the Wedding Feast for example.

Able being a Son of Adam, a shepherd, who offered his first born lambs to God was the first murder. God's plan is God's Kingdom. The Spirit of God has been like a train at a constant rate of motion working to bring all man back under God in God's Kingdom. Jesus Christ was God's sacrificial Lamb, his first born son, for man's sins. God works in particular ways. There are spiritual laws.

Kevin Snow · May 22, 2018

Consider how he uses "the son of man" in this context:

For the Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born. ~Mark 14:21

Clearly the reference refers to himself. Next, consider this:

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. ~Matthew 24:30

Combined with this:

And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven. ~Acts 1:10-11

Unequivocally means that all the references which Jesus Christ made in terms of the Son of Man, is referring to himself. This Jesus is the Son of Man and this is what is the most important thing to realize about the fact that he rose from the dead, is that he is fully human. He entrusted himself to God completely, even to the death on a cross.

Therefore, I warn you as others have been warned:

I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. ~1 Corinthians 4:6

If you are not firm in faith, then you will not be firm at all. ~Isaiah 7:9

mindlight · May 22, 2018

Son of Man is used by Jesus to refer to Himself, the human person standing before His audience. It expresses His mission to humanity that he would refer to Himself as one of them. Because He became a man and dwelt with us as one of us, we can know God through Him the ultimate and the perfect Son of Man.

Man on Fire · May 22, 2018

Son of Man appears to be a Title for lack of a better word at this time. In Daniel and Revelations there is "One Like a Son of Man."

In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.(Daniel 7:13-14)
I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. (Revelations 14:14)

Yes, Jesus is Son of Man. Jesus talked about being Son of Man in the Third Person. Ezekiel is also Son of Man.

eleos1954 · May 22, 2018

Son of Man (mankind) .... a descendent of mankind .... came from heaven in the form of a man.

1 Corinthians 15:47

The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

Kevin Snow · May 22, 2018

Man on Fire said:
Son of Man appears to be a Title for lack of a better word at this time.
Yes, Jesus is Son of Man. Jesus talked about being Son of Man in the Third Person. Ezekiel is also Son of Man.

You are not making your point, just implying that the title must mean something. What that something is, you seem to be vying for some gnostic idea that we as servants of Christ or some servant of Christ becomes Christ. But as I showed, the most important thing to remember is that the Son of Man that is referenced by Jesus is himself. The return of the Son of Man is the return of Jesus Christ from heaven to earth. The other references you mention are therefore obviously referring to Jesus Christ as well.

In terms of the idea that someone becomes Christ we already have the example for us through Melchizedek. For he "resembled the Son of God,"

He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever. ~Hebrews 7:3

Which his priesthood also is after the order of Christ:

The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind, “You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. ~Psalm 110:4

But this man is not Christ. Neither is this man the return of Christ as previously shown, that Christ is the return. He (the One, the Holy One of Israel) is the one who will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God.

I have trodden the winepress alone, and from the peoples no one was with me; I trod them in my anger and trampled them in my wrath; their lifeblood spattered on my garments, and stained all my apparel. ~Isaiah 63:3

From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. ~Revelation 19:15

Sanoy · May 22, 2018

In scripture "son of man" means what it says, son of man. It is in contrast to the phrase "Sons of God", such as an Angel. In the OT it is either used directly of humans or as a physical description, such as "one like a son of man". It later became a term due to expectation and discussion over the prophecy attached to this figure "one like a son of man" in Daniel 7.

Bobber · May 22, 2018

I think there's more to the term, "Son of Man" then people realize. We understand that God made an everlasting covenant with Abraham....but you know what...in real terms it wasn't made to Abraham in the truest sense BUT to his seed which was Christ. No man had the ability to walk pure and holy as the covenant required BUT Christ could.

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal 3:16

God mad a covenant with a Man...a perfect man. Son of Man means the descendant of Adam who represents Mankind. Without the Son of Man being perfect there would be no one who could be our substitute.

Man on Fire · May 22, 2018

You are not making your point, just implying that the title must mean something. What that something is, you seem to be vying for some gnostic idea that we as servants of Christ or some servant of Christ becomes Christ. But as I showed, the most important thing to remember is that the Son of Man that is referenced by Jesus is himself. The return of the Son of Man is the return of Jesus Christ from heaven to earth. The other references you mention are therefore obviously referring to Jesus Christ as well.

Your Body is a Temple. Jesus lives inside of you.

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)

I am not Gnostic like Gnostic gospels, or a Gnostic Church today. I grew up Non-Denominational Evangelical. Due to my experiences, I can see where some Gnostics in the first or second century were correct. Apostle Paul was Gnostic.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)

Working for God, I learned a lot of interesting things. I don't know. God knows. Jesus lives inside of me. I have asked questions and receive answers and been shepherded into somethings. God knows everything. He sees everything.

I am not Christ. I am not the Messiah. I am a man. As a man working for God, God shepherded me into many things. Man is God's Glory. God works through Man. He is The Lord of Hosts. That is he is The Lord of Armies, or your Body is a Host for his Spirit.

Kevin Snow · May 22, 2018

Man on Fire said:
Your Body is a Temple. Jesus lives inside of you.

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:20)

I am not Gnostic like Gnostic gospels, or a Gnostic Church today. I grew up Non-Denominational Evangelical. Due to my experiences, I can see where some Gnostics in the first or second century were correct. Apostle Paul was Gnostic.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)

Working for God, I learned a lot of interesting things. I don't know. God knows. Jesus lives inside of me. I have asked questions and receive answers and been shepherded into somethings. God knows everything. He sees everything.

I am not Christ. I am not the Messiah. I am a man. As a man working for God, God shepherded me into many things. Man is God's Glory. God works through Man. He is The Lord of Hosts. That is he is The Lord of Armies, or your Body is a Host for his Spirit.

When Paul spoke of this in terms of us he said:

But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. ~2 Corinthians 4:7

But when Paul spoke of Christ he said:

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. ~Hebrews 1:3

We are not the exact imprint of his nature but being an imprint of his nature, we hold this treasure, Jesus, in our hearts. That's all it is.

The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one. ~John 17:22

But this is brought to completion at his return. What we are now is not yet revealed.

Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. ~1 John 3:2

Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
...
And the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day the Lord will be one and his name one.
~Zechariah 14:5 and 9

Do you understand now?

Micah888 · May 22, 2018

Man on Fire said:
What exactly is The Son of Man?

That should be "Who exactly...".

The Son of Man is none other than the Son of God -- the Lord Jesus Christ. The title "the Son of Man" was recognized by Jewish rabbis as representing their Divine-Human Messiah. But when the Son of Man presented Himself to Israel, He was generally rejected -- despised and rejected.

However, when the Son of Man returns at His second coming "with power and great glory" there will be no rejection. He will crush His enemies under His feet and establish His everlasting Kingdom on earth.

Man on Fire · May 22, 2018

Do you understand now?

You are implying that you, as a Christian right now, cannot grow in faith or a walk with God any further?

Jenniferdiana · May 22, 2018

..the son of man i always thought it means was because he has authority over us....the son of God because he is the son and acknowledges and does everything the father does...etc...

Kevin Snow · May 22, 2018

Man on Fire said:
You are implying that you, as a Christian right now, cannot grow in faith or a walk with God any further?

Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. ~Matthew 13:8

You cannot produce more than what God has given you. Read the Parable of the Talents.

John answered, “A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.
~John 3:27

So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.' ~Luke 17:10

I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. ~1 Corinthians 7:7

And not any more or any less. This is why it is said,

Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. ~Luke 12:48

Therefore I encourage you to "guard the deposit entrusted to you" and "fan into flame the gift of God" by reading his word both night and day:

This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. ~Joshua 1:8

Man on Fire · May 22, 2018

Would you like more?

Kevin Snow · May 22, 2018

You do not know what you are asking. When you are already not doing what the Father has commanded you, when he said,

For I am the LORD your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. You shall not defile yourselves with any swarming thing that crawls on the ground. ~Leviticus 11:44

Why would you seek to go ahead of Christ therefore? What could you gain? No, understand that you have more than enough on your plate and it's all that you can handle anyway. Any more than this would destroy you. Consider:

I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. ~John 16:12

But as it is Christ doesn't burden you with more than you can bear, as he said,

Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. ~Matthew 11:29-30

So if you are to learn from Christ, then you cannot tell him how to do his job, and this is effectively what you are asking. But he knows what you need and he will only give you what you need to work with right now. As it is exampled here:

And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? ~Luke 12:42

So then, it is already all set before you. Test yourself to see. You will find your limits but do not go beyond what is written for:

Be not overly righteous, and do not make yourself too wise. Why should you destroy yourself? ~Ecclesiastes 7:16

Therefore, make a goal of just using the time wisely, making the best use of it, trusting in Him that he will perform his word and bring about what is necessary. It depends on him and thanks be to God for that! Who would want more burden when this life and way is already hard?

mkgal1 · May 22, 2018

He's referring to Daniel 7 and Psalm 110 (“You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."):

Man on Fire · May 22, 2018

You do not know what you are asking. When you are already not doing what the Father has commanded you, when he said,

For I am the LORD your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. You shall not defile yourselves with any swarming thing that crawls on the ground. ~Leviticus 11:44

Why would you seek to go ahead of Christ therefore? What could you gain? No, understand that you have more than enough on your plate and it's all that you can handle anyway. Any more than this would destroy you. Consider:

I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. ~John 16:12

But as it is Christ doesn't burden you with more than you can bear, as he said,

Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. ~Matthew 11:29-30

So if you are to learn from Christ, then you cannot tell him how to do his job, and this is effectively what you are asking. But he knows what you need and he will only give you what you need to work with right now. As it is exampled here:

And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time? ~Luke 12:42

So then, it is already all set before you. Test yourself to see. You will find your limits but do not go beyond what is written for:

Be not overly righteous, and do not make yourself too wise. Why should you destroy yourself? ~Ecclesiastes 7:16

Therefore, make a goal of just using the time wisely, making the best use of it, trusting in Him that he will perform his word and bring about what is necessary. It depends on him and thanks be to God for that! Who would want more burden when this life and way is already hard?

Christ lives in me. God is shepherding me.

You keep quoting scripture at me in a way that does not add to understanding. It is extrinsic. It appears for show. You seem to have memorized a lot of scripture. When you write or talk about God, it needs to be intrinsic.

God shepherded me into understanding. I teach others. Would you like to learn? You seem to be putting up a wall like you don't want anything more. God is moving in a big way right now.

God likes Glory. What is Glory? Man is God's Glory. Glory is David slaying Goliath who blasphemed God and mocked Israel. Glory may be a great work of art. Glory is a new born child. God likes Glory. Men should submit their lives to God to bring him Glory.

Kevin Snow · May 22, 2018

Man on Fire said:
Christ lives in me. God is shepherding me.

You keep quoting scripture at me in a way that does not add to understanding. It is extrinsic. It appears for show. You seem to have memorized a lot of scripture. When you write or talk about God, it needs to be intrinsic.

God shepherded me into understanding. I teach others. Would you like to learn? You seem to be putting up a wall like you don't want anything more. God is moving in a big way right now.

God likes Glory. What is Glory? Man is God's Glory. Glory is David slaying Goliath who blasphemed God and mocked Israel. Glory may be a great work of art. Glory is a new born child. God likes Glory. Men should submit their lives to God to bring him Glory.

Whoa kid, hold up.

I am Yahweh; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
~Isaiah 42:8

This means man is NOT God's glory. Get that out of your mind. Have you never read?

And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he is not a man, that he should have regret. ~1 Samuel 15:29

I assume you read the bible but do you know the context of this last scripture? Samuel is teaching Saul about what truly matters and it's God. And he does this by saying that the Glory of Israel does not have any substance but that God is what matters. So get that the glory of man is God's glory far away from your mind because that wouldn't be true on earth by any stretch of the imagination. All over scripture we see examples of how OUR, man's glory, is laid in the dust. It's not God's glory which is in heaven.

Also, if you are having trouble following the ideas expressed through scripture then just ask. I can explain whatever you have trouble with, but I'm pointing to you where exactly all the truth is established through scripture. So don't be troubled by that but ask.

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