LDS When did the Mormon Jesus become a God?

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Doesn't necessarily make the information above unauthentic as these are all leading members or scholars of the Mormon Church.

But at the same time, it's not authoritative.

It's treated as personal opinion, making it heterodox at best. Material that does align with official doctrine may be cited if it's determined to be a clearer way of explaining matters, but the works as a whole hold no weight.
 
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But at the same time, it's not authoritative.

It's treated as personal opinion, making it heterodox at best. Material that does align with official doctrine may be cited if it's determined to be a clearer way of explaining matters, but the works as a whole hold no weight.
However these are coming from the prophets of the Mormon Church.
 
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If according to your beliefs God sexually impregnated Mary she can’t be argued as a virgin anymore. You may believe as you wish however it cannot be portrayed as Biblical.
We believe that Mary was a virgin as stated in the Book of Mormon.
 
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I didn't say agony meant atonement. That being said why do you think Jesus was in agony and bled from every pore in the Garden. Why did the angel need to strengthen Him. I believe He suffered for our sins in the garden. Many died on the cross and I believe that was part of His suffering for our sins, but the greater part was in the garden.
That because Jesus knew his gruesome fate on the cross was approaching, Jesus wasn’t suffering for our sins while in the Garden has that been the case there would have been no need for a crucifixtion.
 
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Have you read the Torah or do you know anything about the Lord's covenant with the Jews?
I have read the Old Testament. It states the covenant that the Lord made with the Jews:
(Old Testament | Jeremiah 11:1 - 4)

1 THE word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2 Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,
4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:
 
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That because Jesus knew his gruesome fate on the cross was approaching, Jesus wasn’t suffering for our sins while in the Garden has that been the case there would have been no need for a crucifixtion.
Jesus knew His fate on the cross was approaching for a long time. Knowing His fate had nothing to do with His agony in the garden and certainly did not cause Him to bleed at every pore.
 
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14 Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign—Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and shall bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

This passage was taken from Isaiah 7:14

"with us is God"

Since most of us already know that the name "Jesus" is in fact a transliteration error from Greek to Latin and his name was probably Joshua, then Isaiah's prophesy has not yet come to pass.

Exodus 17:9 (reference showing Joshua's name in Hebrew)

"the Lord is salvation"

So to see a copy of Isaiah in a foreign text, especially "reformed Egyptian", is a clear sign of a forgery.

The Lord's covenant occurred in the Exodus from Egypt and was given to Moses in Hebrew....NOT Egyptian.

Egyptian Polytheism

So if Mormons believe that Yahweh dictated to Joseph Smith that Jesus name was actually "Jesus" in English....it's a lie, period.

It's been repeatedly proven that "Jesus" was not his name. But we use the name simply because that's what we've been taught for centuries and many Christians would just get confused by referencing "Joshua".

Joshua in Greek

"Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua"

If there's even a single lie in the Mormon Bible, the whole thing is a lie.

Jeremiah 23:16
 
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God is LOVE and He expects us to be kind to one another and to help one another through charity:
(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:8)

8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
 
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When He was born of Mary being the only begotten of the Father in the flesh. However He has always been God. I already told you that.

So which of you Mormons should I believe and what sources of information are each of you using?

Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.
The King Follett Sermon - ensign
(The Mormonism my husband and I were taught.)

Jesus was fully human.
Until he was crucified and was resurrected, he was not fully God. There are many scriptures that testify of that. Scriptures from the bible that testify of this very doctrine.
Luke 13:32
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
You cannot say that Jesus was fully God before he was fully perfected. Right?

Are the Two Natures of Jesus Denied by Mormons?
(Post #19)

When did the Mormon Jesus become a God?
(Post #7)
 
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When He was born of Mary being the only begotten of the Father in the flesh. However He has always been God. I already told you that.

That disagrees with what was taught in 1976:

The gospel of Jesus Christ teaches that man is an eternal being, made in the image and likeness of God. It also holds that man is a literal child of God and has the potential to, if faithful to divine laws and ordinances, of becoming like his heavenly parent. These truths are generally well understood by Latter-day Saints.

Less well understood, however, is the fact that God is an exalted man who once lived on an earth and underwent experiences of mortality. The Prophet Joseph Smith refers to this as “the great secret.” (Times and Seasons 5:613[15 Aug. 1844]. See also Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345.) The progression of our Father in heaven to godhood, or exaltation, was strictly in accordance with eternal principles, for he who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory.” (D&C 88:22.)

By definition, exaltation includes the ability to procreate the family unit throughout eternity. This our Father in heaven has power to do. His marriage partner is our mother in heaven. We are their spirit children, born to them in the bonds of celestial marriage.

The Lord would have all his children attain exaltation, but men must have their agency. Only those who subscribe by ordinance and by faithful adherence to covenant are worthy of “a continuation of seeds forever and ever.” (D&C 132:19.)

GOD WAS ONCE A MORTAL MAN

(1-2) He Lived on an Earth like Our Own

“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power was to make himself visible,–I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form–like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another.” (Smith, Teachings, p. 345.)

(1-3) He Experienced Conditions Similar to Our Own and Advanced Step by Step

“Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is. “Is this really possible?” Why, my dear friends, how would you like to be governed by a ruler who has not been through all the vicissitudes of life that are common to us mortals? If he had not suffered, how could he sympathize with the distress of others? If he himself had not endured the same, how could he sympathize and be touched with the feelings of our infirmities? He could not, unless he himself had passed through the same ordeal, overcome, and overcome step by step.” (Orson Hyde in JD, 1:123.)

GOD IS NOW AN EXALTED MAN WITH POWERS OF ETERNAL INCREASE

(1-4) Our Father in Heaven Lives in an Exalted Marriage Relationship

“No matter to what heights God has attained or may attain, he does not stand alone; for side by side with him, in all her glory, a glory like unto his, stands a companion, the Mother of his children. For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother.” (Melvin J. Ballard, as quoted in Bryant S. Hinckley, Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard, pp. 205-6.)

... (1-20) SUMMARY

As shown in this chapter, our Father in heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death. By obedience to eternal gospel principles, he progressed from one stage of life to another until he attained the state that we call exaltation or godhood. In such a condition, he and our mother in heaven were empowered to give birth to spirit children whose potential was equal to that of their heavenly parents. We are those spirit children.
Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, copyright 1976, 1992, by Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 129 and 132

Why were we being taught that in 1976 if it is no longer true?
 
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People are VERY concerned for you and other Mormons.
A little listening will go a long way to alleviate that concern. On the other hand, when people mock it just causes resentment on all sides.

For example, LDS individuals accept Christ as our Lord and Savior. If that is your belief of what a person need to do to be saved, then according to your theology LDS individuals are saved. Hence you have no need to be concerned there.
 
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I personally believe Joseph Smith was deeply influenced by Mohammed.
The parallels in the way they both lied, but since Joseph Smith came after Mohammed and educated Americans already had a basic understanding of Islam or knew Mohamed life, it’s safe to assume that Joseph Smith was inflicted by Mohammed.
LDS beliefs are extremely different than Muslim. Two huge examples:
- LDS celebrate Jesus Christ as the Son of God and our Savior. Muslims do not.
- LDS believe in continuing revelation with prophets one after another, with an open cannon. Muslims do not and instead declare Mohammed the last prophet and a closed cannon.
 
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If that is your belief of what a person need to do to be saved, then according to your theology LDS individuals are saved.

Actually it's not.

My beliefs are more complicated and are closer to Judaism, the same faith that Jesus practiced.

But because there are no Christian branches that reject Paul, then my beliefs are not shared by most Christians.

Jesus read and taught the Torah and the Old Testament.

His early followers were all Jews and proselytes and they all practiced Judaism. It wasn't until the late 3rd and early 4th centuries that the Christianity that's known today actually formed. The confusion comes into play because of the Greek texts. So the translations are a mess and why Jesus' name wasn't "Jesus" in English and why Christ wasn't his title. Khristos is a Greek word, not a Hebrew word.

To clarify....when people say "Jesus Christ", the most accurate Hebrew or Aramaic transliteration into English would be Joshua the King.

The Messiah is not a Christian belief, it's a Jewish belief that has nothing to do with Jesus being a God. The Messiah is an earthly King.
 
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Actually it's not.
Ok cool. (My post was actually meant to be the generic "you").
My beliefs are more complicated and are closer to Judaism, the same faith that Jesus practiced.

But because there are no Christian branches that reject Paul, then my beliefs are not shared by most Christians.

Jesus read and taught the Torah and the Old Testament.

His early followers were all Jews and proselytes and they all practiced Judaism. It wasn't until the late 3rd and early 4th centuries that the Christianity that's known today actually formed. The confusion comes into play because of the Greek texts. So the translations are a mess and why Jesus' name wasn't "Jesus" in English and why Christ wasn't his title. Khristos is a Greek word, not a Hebrew word.

To clarify....when people say "Jesus Christ", the most accurate Hebrew or Aramaic transliteration into English would be Joshua the King.
So you reject Paul? (Making sure I'm hearing/understanding you right)
 
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