David's descendant on the throne was fulfilled at Christ's resurrection and ascension.

seventysevens · May 20, 2018

claninja said:
2.) revelation doesn’t even actually say Jesus comes to earth to reign for a 1,000 years on David’s throne.

Bible does in fact say Jesus returns to Earth , and since he Does come back to earth , He remains on earth during His millennial reign- it's all there if you study it - you can see it

Act 1
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Zech 14
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

cleave means to split or sever - as in mountain shall split in two

You see if you read the entire Bible -ALL the facts are there - they don't have to be all in one book as long as they are all found in the Holy Scriptures

I could prove your ideas in error , but it is not likely to change what you believe
Revelation interprets itself so it is easy to know what the symbols mean

Douggg · May 20, 2018

claninja said:
The throne that david and solomon sat on is the throne of the Lord
1 Chronicles 29:23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father.

I don't think you understand what is being insinuated in that verse. It is a jab that it is really God's rightful place as King of Israel and not some man.

God is the rightful King of Israel. And up until the Israelites demanded a human king like the surrounding nations God was the King of Israel. They demanded a human king - so God let them have their way, because for a time, it would fit His purpose. But God was not pleased about it - because basically they were rejecting Him as King.

When God gave them Saul as their King of Israel - God had Samuel the prophet gather the Israelite's to make the proclamation...

1Samuel10:
17 And Samuel called the people together unto the LORD to Mizpeh;

18 And said unto the children of Israel, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I brought up Israel out of Egypt, and delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of all kingdoms, and of them that oppressed you:

19 And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.
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1Samuel12: 12 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.

Copperhead · May 20, 2018

Psalms 2:6-8 (NKJV) “Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

And following the hermeneutic principle of "law of first mention"....

2 Samuel 5:7 (NKJV) Nevertheless David took the stronghold of Zion (that is, the City of David)

shilohsfoal · May 20, 2018

According to Jesus,when he sits on his throne the apostles will sit on thrones with him judging the twelve tribes of Israel.I dont believe the apostles are in heaven sitting on thrones.I believe they are In graves and thier bodies seeing corruption.I dont believe they are able to judge for the time being.

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
again
Luke 22:29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
Luke 22:30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Douggg · May 20, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Ohhhh
So because it makes no sense to you ,you chose to believe Gog will invade Israel and God will destroy him there,and about 1000 years later Gog will invade Israel again and God will destroy him again.
You believe the first time Gog invades Israel ,the Israelites will bury him and his dead the first time he dies but they won't the second time he dies there because there's no need to.
And that makes sense to you?

Magog is a name for the people north of Israel, based upon Magog being the grandson of Noah. A collection of nations.

Gog is a code name for whoever is the chief leader of Magog. That leader of Magog is a different person at the end of the thousand years than the leader of Magog before the thousand years, just as President Madison was a different president than President Roosevelt - although they were both president when the United States was at war, but it was two different wars separated by over a hundred years, by two different leaders of the United States.

It is just saying that the people of Magog will have a chief leader in their attack on Israel, in both the pre thousand year attack and the post thousand year attack. But it will be two different leaders.

Copperhead · May 20, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
According to Jesus,when he sits on his throne the apostles will sit on thrones with him judging the twelve tribes of Israel.I dont believe the apostles are in heaven sitting on thrones.I believe they are In graves and thier bodies seeing corruption.I dont believe they are able to judge for the time being.

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
again
Luke 22:29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me,
Luke 22:30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

I am not convinced that when the Apostles died, they were placed in a "soul sleep" or "holding pattern" sort of thing. And their bodies have long since been dissolved into the earth.

2 Corinthians 5:1-8 (NASB) For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
3 inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.
4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.
5 Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge.
6 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord—
7 for we walk by faith, not by sight—
8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Why would anyone assume that with the Apostles being with the Lord, that they would be judging anything? Yeshua Himself isn't judging now. He is sitting at the right hand of God awaiting....

Psalms 110:1 (NKJV) The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Hebrews 10:12-13 (TLV) But on the other hand, when this One offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God— 13 waiting from then on, until His enemies are made a footstool for His feet.

You quoted Matthew 19:28, and you would be correct that the Apostles are not Judging, as neither is the Messiah. It seems that it is when Yeshua is on the throne ruling during after things are restored for the Messianic Kingdom, that it is when the Apostles will be judging Israel. But that doesn't preclude them being with Him now.

Matthew 19:28 (NKJV) So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

claninja · May 21, 2018

seventysevens said:
Since you say

it makes this statement rather silly

No one ever speaks of the coming of Jesus as in 2000 years ago when He was Born on earth
It makes no sense to speak of the coming of Jesus when Jesus was already here

Preterists believe the the coming of Christ in judgement is a literal event, as Jerusalem and the temple were literally destroyed in 70ad. This coincides with the language in the Old Testament of all the times God ‘came’ in judgement against nations.

It’s also silly to say “no man can defeat death” as Jesus did, he was the first fruits.

claninja · May 21, 2018

seventysevens said:
Bible does in fact say Jesus returns to Earth , and since he Does come back to earth , He remains on earth during His millennial reign- it's all there if you study it - you can see it

Act 1
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Zech 14
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

cleave means to split or sever - as in mountain shall split in two

You see if you read the entire Bible -ALL the facts are there - they don't have to be all in one book as long as they are all found in the Holy Scriptures

I never stated Jesus wouldn’t return. I stated no other scripture mentions a literal 1000 year earthly reign. The scriptures you provided(acts and Zechariah) don’t mention a literal earthly 1000 year reign.

1.) there are no other scriptures that mention a literal earthly 1000 year reign.

2.) the verse in revelation doesn’t actually say jesus comes to earth to reign 1000 years. It says the saints reign with him for 1000 years.

seventysevens said:
I could prove your ideas in error , but it is not likely to change what you believe
Revelation interprets itself so it is easy to know what the symbols mean

Rarely do I see 2 people agree on the exact same interpretation of revelation on these forums. That is because it is a difficult book. I’m glad you have solved the mysteries of revelation, but have a little patience for us who have not gotten there yet.

claninja · May 21, 2018

Douggg said:
Was God's throne vacant when the Lord came into this world the first time?

I don’t believe so, but someone else might. You never know on these forums....

claninja · May 21, 2018

Douggg said:
I don't think you understand what is being insinuated in that verse. It is a jab that it is really God's rightful place as King of Israel and not some man.

So if Israel would have wanted God to be their king, he would have come down and sat on a man made throne?

Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says, “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest? Did not my hand make all these things?’
Acts 7:48-50 - Bible Gateway passage: Acts 7:48-50 - English Standard Version

Douggg said:
God is the rightful King of Israel. And up until the Israelites demanded a human king like the surrounding nations God was the King of Israel. They demanded a human king - so God let them have their way, because for a time, it would fit His purpose. But God was not pleased about it - because basically they were rejecting Him as King.

When God gave them Saul as their King of Israel - God had Samuel the prophet gather the Israelite's to make the proclamation...

I agree

Douggg · May 21, 2018

claninja said:
So if Israel would have wanted God to be their king, he would have come down and sat on a man made throne?

God was their King. He became their King when they said "we do" when offered the terms of the covenant at Mt. Sinai.

Regarding your question though as to the earthly throne - I have to first ask, can God die? No, God can not die. In order to save mankind from the penalty of sin, he had to become a man - added to His being God - which the Lord God entered this world and became Jesus - who could die for our sins, He who had no sin of his own.

The other question I asked you - was God's throne vacant when the Lord came into this world to become Jesus? You said you didn't think so. But I don't think you can explain it.

So I will offer my explanation, for your consideration and something to think about.

Jesus said He came forth from the Father and had always been with the Father. Obviously, no man existed before the creation, so Jesus was speaking of Himself as being the Lord.

God's throne in heaven is an entry point (maybe not the best descriptive words) between God which creation can know and God beyond creation's ability to know or perceive Him. No one knows fully everything abut God, nor can explain God.

Creation has limits. God does not have limits. Therefore, Creation's limits, boundaries, are within God's existence. If you can wrap your head around that concept.

As the intial act of God to create creation, He came forth ( which Jesus was revealing) from Himself (in human terms a son comes from his father) in a form that creation would be able perceive Him. That form is the Lord of Heaven. Which if you can envision it, the throne of God shines out a blinding light of the Father, which the Lord of Heaven appears out of. So when Jesus, as the Lord of Heaven, returned to Heaven, he re-entered that blinding light which shines out from the throne of God.

That blinding light is always there because it is due to God's existence beyond creation. So the throne of God is never vacant - because God's existence - "is" and cannot be explained.

When God in perceptible form, the Lord of Heaven, came forth from the throne, and entered this world adding to His being God to becoming a man - then yes, it is since then appropriate that He sit on a throne of David in Jerusalem - because Jesus is both God and man.

Which ultimately, I think, is why God granted the Isaelites their demand to have a man king. It was integral to His plan of salvation of the Human race from the fall in the garden of Eden.

claninja · May 21, 2018

Douggg said:
God was their King. He became their King when they said "we do" when offered the terms of the covenant at Mt. Sinai.

God is always the king of Israel, no matter who sat on the man made earthly throne

Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

Psalm 47:7
For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with a skillful psalm.

Douggg said:
Regarding your question though as to the earthly throne - I have to first ask, can God die? No, God can not die. In order to save mankind from the penalty of sin, he had to become a man - added to His being God - which the Lord God entered this world and became Jesus - who could die for our sins, He who had no sin of his own.

the fullness of God dwelt in the flesh of Jesus Christ.
Colossian 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
He was the perfect lamb sacrificed for the sins of the world.
1 Corinthians 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
And he appeared once, at the end of the ages, to put away sin
Hebrews 9:26 But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
He then rose again and ascended to the Father, above every name, with dominion, power, and authority, not only in the disciples age, but the age to comes
Ephesians 1:20-21 exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come

Douggg said:
The other question I asked you - was God's throne vacant when the Lord came into this world to become Jesus? You said you didn't think so. But I don't think you can explain it.

God's throne was not vacant when Christ came in the flesh. The God of the universe is a triune God, three in one. A mystery that we will only understand when we no longer look through a dimly lit glass. Jesus, while on earth, even taught the disciples how to pray:

Matthew 6:9 This, then, is how you should pray: “ ‘Our Father IN HEAVEN, hallowed be your name,

Douggg said:
God's throne in heaven is an entry point (maybe not the best descriptive words) between God which creation can know and God beyond creation's ability to know or perceive Him. No one knows fully everything abut God, nor can explain God.

The heavens are God's throne
Acts 7:49
‘Heaven is my throne,

and the earth is my footstool.

What kind of house will you build for me?

Douggg said:
Which if you can envision it, the throne of God shines out a blinding light of the Father, which the Lord of Heaven appears out of. So when Jesus, as the Lord of Heaven, returned to Heaven, he re-entered that blinding light which shines out from the throne of God.

When Christ ascended to the Father, he became a priest after the order of Melchizedek
Hebrews 5:8-10
Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered, and having been made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him and was designated by God as high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
What does that mean? it means he is both king and high priest
Hebrews 7:1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High
Thus fulfilling:
Zechariah 6:13 is he who shall build the temple of the Lord and shall bear royal honor, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.”

Douggg said:
When God in perceptible form, the Lord of Heaven, came forth from the throne, and entered this world adding to His being God to becoming a man - then yes, it is since then appropriate that He sit on a throne of David in Jerusalem - because Jesus is both God and man.

There is no scripture that states Christ will return again in human flesh to sit on a man made throne.

He was exalted above all things and sat on the throne of the Lord. He was given authority as king over Israel and even the world. Why? because he is God.

Are you of Abraham's seed (in Christ)?
Is Christ your king?

seventysevens · May 21, 2018

claninja said:
I never stated Jesus wouldn’t return. I stated no other scripture mentions a literal 1000 year earthly reign. The scriptures you provided(acts and Zechariah) don’t mention a literal earthly 1000 year reign.

1.) there are no other scriptures that mention a literal earthly 1000 year reign.

2.) the verse in revelation doesn’t actually say jesus comes to earth to reign 1000 years. It says the saints reign with him for 1000 years.

Man it comes down to recognizing what scripture does say , do you have people telling you to take a bath daily , to get dressed etc ? There is a level of common reasoning to be applied - you cannot reasonably expect that every topic the bible speaks about will
cater to your personal preference and have everything spelled out and stated in a manner that caters to your preference just so you can understand - Scripture Clearly states that Jesus will
physically come to earth and reign on earth - Angels do Not reign , Saints will reign with Jesus , not without Him, Scripture Clearly states a time period of 1000 years reign

Revelation 20 Clearly states the people came to life and Reigned With Jesus for 1000 years
Common reasoning factor clearly shows that Since Jesus does return to earth and reigns WITH saints for 1000 years and No scripture shows Jesus
leaving , in fact other scriptures indicate Jesus eternally reigning with the saints
The Only good reasoning that is derived from the scriptures clearly shows Jesus reigning with the saints for 1000 years

baffling why to don't recognize or accept this fundamental truths - There is no one else in all of scripture that anyone other than Jesus and the saints will reign - angels do not reign

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seventysevens · May 21, 2018

claninja said:
There is no scripture that states Christ will return again in human flesh to sit on a man made throne.

Jesus WILL return in the same Glorified body he had when He rose from the grave !
It not made of flesh and blood like it was was he was crucified - He rose in a spiritual Physical body that will never bleed blood , He ate food and drank and had Thomas put his hand in Jesus woulds - Jesus told Thomas to put his hand in Jesus side and feel the wounds - proving it was indeed Jesus risen from the dead , Jesus went through a door that was shut without opening it , The glorified incorruptible , imperishable body that Jesus will give us is like the body that Jesus had when he rose from the dead
His body will be a physical body - our eternal body will be like Jesus body !

Jesus will have a throne on earth , it matters Not how he gets it - if he creates it - or if ne builds one himself or if the saints with their glorified body build it it does not in any way infer that Jesus would not have a throne on earth - because He will !

There will be a temple built with a throne by human hands by Jews ,expecting their messiah to sit in it - but Jesus does not sit in it , the Man of Lawlessness will and it along with the temple will be destroyed shortly after it is built

seventysevens · May 21, 2018

claninja said:
It’s also silly to say “no man can defeat death” as Jesus did, he was the first fruits.

Jesus IS God - 100% God in a human body explicitly for the purpose to come and be crucified on behalf of all mankind , He came to be the sacrificial lamb to die for us and rise to life gain - so to compare what Jesus can do and did - to what man can do is also silly

no man can defeat death - Only God can

claninja · May 21, 2018

seventysevens said:
Man it comes down to recognizing what scripture does say ,

I agree. and revelation 20:6 doesn't say Jesus comes to earth to reign for a 1000 years. this is an assumption you are making.

seventysevens said:
do you have people telling you to take a bath daily , to get dressed etc ? There is a level of common reasoning to be applied - you cannot reasonably expect that every topic the bible speaks about will
cater to your personal preference and have everything spelled out and stated in a manner that caters to your preference just so you can understand -

In other words, you can't provide any other scripture on Jesus coming to earth to reign for a literal 1000 year reign, as none exist in the Bible.

seventysevens said:
Angels do Not reign , Saints will reign with Jesus , not without Him, Scripture Clearly states a time period of 1000 years reign

I agree that revelation 20:6 states saints, and not angels, reign with Christ 1000 years.

seventysevens said:
Revelation 20 Clearly states the people came to life and Reigned With Jesus for 1000 years
Common reasoning factor clearly shows that Since Jesus does return to earth and reigns WITH saints for 1000 years and No scripture shows Jesus
leaving , in fact other scriptures indicate Jesus eternally reigning with the saints
The Only good reasoning that is derived from the scriptures clearly shows Jesus reigning with the saints for 1000 years

baffling why to don't recognize or accept this fundamental truths - There is no one else in all of scripture that anyone other than Jesus and the saints will reign - angels do not reign

common reasoning would not isolate this from other scriptures and form a doctrine out of it.

Christ is reigning until ALL his enemies are under his feet
1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
Christ is at right hand of the Father, in heaven, until ALL his enemies are made a footstool
Acts 2:34-35 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”’
The last enemy is death
1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
And the resurrection (defeat of last enemy) occurs at Christ's coming
1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

However, according to your belief, the 1st resurrection happens before the defeat of satan. This would make death not the last enemy. Unless you are willing to admit the 1st resurrection means to be born again?
Revelation 20:6-7 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison

claninja · May 21, 2018

seventysevens said:
Jesus WILL return in the same Glorified body he had when He rose from the grave !
It not made of flesh and blood like it was was he was crucified - He rose in a spiritual Physical body that will never bleed blood , He ate food and drank and had Thomas put his hand in Jesus woulds - Jesus told Thomas to put his hand in Jesus side and feel the wounds - proving it was indeed Jesus risen from the dead , Jesus went through a door that was shut without opening it , The glorified incorruptible , imperishable body that Jesus will give us is like the body that Jesus had when he rose from the dead
His body will be a physical body - our eternal body will be like Jesus body !

John saw a much different Jesus.

John 1:14-15 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters.

seventysevens said:
Jesus will have a throne on earth , it matters Not how he gets it - if he creates it - or if ne builds one himself or if the saints with their glorified body build it it does not in any way infer that Jesus would not have a throne on earth - because He will !

Christ is sitting on throne, with all authority over heaven and earth. And David foresaw this when he prophesied about the resurrection.

seventysevens said:
There will be a temple built with a throne by human hands by Jews ,expecting their messiah to sit in it - but Jesus does not sit in it , the Man of Lawlessness will and it along with the temple will be destroyed shortly after it is built

What happens at the coming of Christ?
1.) destruction of lawless one
2.) resurrection of dead
3.) believers caught up in the air to always be with the Lord

claninja · May 21, 2018

seventysevens said:
Jesus IS God - 100% God in a human body explicitly for the purpose to come and be crucified on behalf of all mankind , He came to be the sacrificial lamb to die for us and rise to life gain - so to compare what Jesus can do and did - to what man can do is also silly
no man can defeat death - Only God can

Jesus was also man, whom God raised from the dead. Jesus was the first fruits of the dead. SO to say no man has defeated death, is again, silly. Jesus, fully man and fully God. defeated death. To ignore that Jesus was man that rose and ascended, is to ignore that he came in the flesh.

Acts 2:24 But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.

seventysevens · May 22, 2018

claninja said:
What happens at the coming of Christ?
1.) destruction of lawless one
2.) resurrection of dead
3.) believers caught up in the air to always be with the Lord

you have a most peculiar way of reading the WORD of God - You cherry pick the verses you like in order to build a doctrine to please what you prefer to hear - You toss out the core reason why God created man - you have this notion that we remain in the air for eternity - lol - you choose to ignore the reasons why Jesus will come to earth and reign - you choose to ignore scripture that plainly shows that we will live WITH Jesus on this earth ,at least 2 dozen more topics that you choose to ignore ,
I have watched your discussions for several months and it always ends the same - people try to show you what scripture really says but you prefer tointerpret it as something giving it a meaning it does not say .

Be blessed and occupy till He comes

claninja · May 22, 2018

seventysevens said:
you have a most peculiar way of reading the WORD of God - You cherry pick the verses you like in order to build a doctrine to please what you prefer to hear

Pot calling the kettle black just a little.

The Bible literally states the man of lawlessness is destroyed at Jesus' arrival
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.
The Bible literally states that when Christ descends from heaven, the dead will rise
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
Thessalonians is not only the place that states the dead will rise at the coming of Christ
1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Matthew 25:31, 46 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

seventysevens said:
You toss out the core reason why God created man

I did? didn't know I did that. Didn't even know we were discussing the core reason why God created man. I believe God created man for his own glory.

seventysevens said:
you have this notion that we remain in the air for eternity - lol

I do? that would be interesting

seventysevens said:
you choose to ignore the reasons why Jesus will come to earth and reign - you choose to ignore scripture that plainly shows that we will live WITH Jesus on this earth ,at least 2 dozen more topics that you choose to ignore ,

Maybe you could show me which verses i am ignoring. I don't really know what your talking about.

seventysevens said:
have watched your discussions for several months and it always ends the same - people try to show you what scripture really says but you prefer tointerpret it as something giving it a meaning it does not say .

Actually, it typically ends with someone telling me "it says that, but that's not what it really means"

Just like you have been doing with revelation 20:6:

seventysevens said:
here is a level of common reasoning to be applied - you cannot reasonably expect that every topic the bible speaks about will
cater to your personal preference and have everything spelled out

you have still yet to respond to any verse or questions posed to you, instead you respond with a very generic post: post #79

seventysevens said:
Be blessed and occupy till He comes

Same to you brother, we may not agree on everything, but God will work out everything for his glory.

David's descendant on the throne was fulfilled at Christ's resurrection and ascension.

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