That's a bogus question and irrelevant.
That's how debates work. You provide your belief and evidence to back it up. Your belief is that the the feet of iron and clay are a fifth kingdom. I stated that if the scripture literally said the feet of iron and clay are a fifth kingdom, that it would help your argument. No need to get all defensive about it, because it would help your argument.
I'll make it even easier for you. Where in the
Daniel 2 chapter is there mention of the idea of kingdoms as beasts? You don't reach that idea in the Book of Daniel until chapter 7.
I agree, daniel 2 is about a statue, Daniel 7 is about beasts.
What I'm trying to understand is if you believe the interpretation of daniel 2 and 7 are about the same thing.
What did the "legs of iron" represent? Pagan Rome.
I agree that the legs of iron represent rome, but that's no what I asked. I asked what does the element of Iron represent in the statue?
Did you discover yet in Dan.2 that there's no 'kingdom=beast' comparison in Neb's dream?
I agree, I never said there was any beasts in daniel 2.
Did you discover yet in Dan.2 that there's no 'kingdom=beast' comparison in Neb's dream? But in Dan.7 with Daniel's dream, you do find a 'kingdom=beast' comparison. In Dan.7, which kingdom beast best aligns with the Dan.2 piece of the feet of ten toes of clay mixed with iron?
Babylon=Gold head=1st kingdom=Lion
Daniel 2:38 In your hands he has placed all mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds in the sky. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all.
You are that head of gold.
Daniel 7:3-4,17 Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea. “
The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.
Persia/Media = Silver Chest/Arms =2nd kingdom = Bear
Daniel 2:39 After you,
another kingdom will arise, inferior to yours.
Daniel 7:5,17 And there before me was a
second beast, which looked like a
bear. The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.
Greece = Bronze Belly/Thigh = 3rd kingdom = leopard
Daniel 2:39 Next, a
third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.
Daniel 7:6, 17 After that, I looked, and there before me was
another beast, one that looked like a leopard. The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.
**Now the part we disagree on. The best kingdom that aligns with the 4th beast is the legs of iron, as both are described as iron that 'break things to pieces'. The feet of iron and clay are not described as breaking things to pieces.
Rome republic= Iron Legs = 4th kingdom = beast
Daniel 2:40 And there shall be a
fourth kingdom, strong as
iron,
because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things.
Daniel 7:7,17 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a
fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great
iron teeth;
it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.
Rome empire that arises from Roman republic= Feet and toes of Iron/clay = 4th kingdom = 10 horns that arise from beast
Daniel 2:42-43 And as the
toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage,
c but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
Daniel 7:24
As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them
and how it represents all of them manifesting again for the end (but not exactly how they were in history)? Yes, I believe I did mention that; you just didn't bother to read it. Now put two and two together about the iron for the end.
I read it. You stated they will not be manifested literally. Only that Babylon was a type of one world future government.
There is no piece of the statue that is clay only.
We agree
There is no piece of the statue that is clay only. That's a requirement YOU are trying create. It won't work, simply because the "legs of iron" has NO clay. Just that point alone of the "legs of iron" not having clay in it means you MUST recognize the "clay" piece separately as given, which is in the feet of ten toes.
And what is in the feet? Iron (rome). Therefore the feet are from /a part of rome. Now if the scripture stated the feet and toes were made of stone and clay, i would say you have a better argument.
When Iron (rome) mixed with clay (seed of men) it became strong and weak, not adhering to one another
Who are the they (iron) that are mixing themselves with the seed of men?
Daniel 2:43 Because thou hast seen
iron mixed with miry clay,
they are
mixing themselves with
the seed of men: and they are not adhering one with another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
So your argument is actually silly.
Maybe so, but you what's an even sillier argument? Cutting Rome out of daniel 7 to make your doctrine work.
Why wouldn't it come right after pagan Rome fell? What? are you going to try and play the anti-gap argument now, like those who refuse to accept that Daniel's final "one week" is still yet to be fulfilled?
Putting a gap in prophecy means you can make it mean whatever you want. It becomes a subjective argument and quite frankly, a very poor means of understanding scripture.
