If God loves us why is all reality an illusion?

Tayla · May 19, 2018

DarkSoul999 said:
Let's assume that Chapter 1 really is intended to be a literal description of reality over the course of a single week. Why would God make it totally impossible for us to verify this? 100% of evidence in nature supports an old Earth. Only people with zero scientific training or highly dishonest former scientists will say otherwise.

I don't think it's fair to say that the scientists promoting young earth creationism have no training. Also, events in the past cannot be verified experimentally so all knowledge about them is obtained via circumstantial evidence. In other words, if you can construct a story that explains it, then you can claim it is scientific. All of old earth geology and evolution seems like this. They assume it's true then make up stories that seem to fit.

DarkSoul999 · May 19, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
As God says, the natural (dark) mind of man
CANNOT UNDERSTAND chin.... er anything spiritual (truth)
There is no way an unregenerate mind of man can understand the secret of lawlessness
unless Yahweh grants him the understanding - no, no way.
So of course it sounds foreign, like chinese...

God hates a lot of people then

DarkSoul999 · May 19, 2018

jesus316 said:
I don't think it's fair to say that the scientists promoting young earth creationism have no training. Also, events in the past cannot be verified experimentally so all knowledge about them is obtained via circumstantial evidence. In other words, if you can construct a story that explains it, then you can claim it is scientific. All of old earth geology and evolution seems like this. They assume it's true then make up stories that seem to fit.

Judges send people to prison based on data gathered about past events. It is the only thing available to us. We don't have time machines.

Kevin Snow · May 19, 2018

I answered your questions, last answer page 2.

Norbert L · May 19, 2018

DarkSoul999 said:
"There was evening and there was morning" cannot be an accurate description of reality unless the writer received visions of a single day in between vast expanses of time.

Thousands of years after Genesis was written and thousands of years before our own time, another reader (plus writer) of scripture wrote, 2 Peter 3:8

R. Hartono · May 19, 2018

We cant understand Genesis with our logic, need Holy Spirit guidance n live in God for many many years.

DarkSoul999 · May 19, 2018

Kevin Snow said:
You shall suck the milk of nations; you shall nurse at the breast of kings; and you shall know that I, the LORD, am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob. ~Isaiah 60:16

Ill answer each of your questions in reverse. Let's not lose ourselves with creating too many ideas. A flood of information will always be murky waters.

The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook. ~Proverbs 18:4

So go slowly and don't create extra arguments, because this is easy for God remember? So lets keep it easy ourselves.

I did some research a while back, you can do some of your own about Jupiter. So we'll leave that there.

As for the dating, again, we must remember what we are talking about, God creating the universe in 7 days which were cosmic times.

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. ~2 Peter 3:8

That sounds pretty good

Kevin Snow said:
So this (2 Peter 3:8) is an example of poetry my friend, not a math equation. Those cosmic times can easily be trillions of years of our solar time if God so pleased to make it so. The problem with the dating is the context. When you date something on the basis of physical rates of decay, then you'll be getting let's say a cosmic approximation of that material but not actually how many solar days those things existed on earth and were functioning. So when the scientific community agrees something is old, they are doing it without the lens of scripture and are only seeing what Solomon said here:

He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man’s heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end. ~Ecclesiastes 3:11

I have no idea what you are talking about but hey it's not wrong either. I'll take it

Kevin Snow said:
So do you understand what this means? The big picture. Man, in the lens of his own sight cannot see what God has done. You HAVE to listen to God and believe in him. God MADE this universe to work that way and that's what scripture teaches us!

So again,

If you are not firm in faith, then you will not be firm at all.

I have been a pathetic loser my entire life and hated and rejected by everyone. Even God probably hates me. What exactly do you expect? That I can just believe easily?

DarkSoul999 · May 19, 2018

R. Hartono said:
We cant understand Genesis with our logic, need Holy Spirit guidance n live in God for many many years.

The horrors of life have utterly destroyed any "spirit" that might enter my life. Logic is the only thing I have. It's the only thing that I trust.

Kevin Snow · May 19, 2018

This is not about you man, this is about God. Give glory to the Lord God. You have your answers here and now. They are all given to you through scripture and everything needed is spoken there. Why are you afraid of the cross? It's the story that you need to read now. Read the bible from start to finish and this time, throw away the lens of sight and read the story for what it is. Its beauty in all areas and the redemption God offers you to be his child. This is not about you and your ability to understand but about God's love for you. God is able to answer you, but your own affections are blocking you from seeing him.

We have spoken freely to you, Corinthians; our heart is wide open. You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted in your own affections. In return (I speak as to children) widen your hearts also. ~2 Corinthians 6:11-13

DarkSoul999 · May 19, 2018

Kevin Snow said:
This is not about you man, this is about God. Give glory to the Lord God. You have your answers here and now. They are all given to you through scripture and everything needed is spoken there. Why are you afraid of the cross? It's the story that you need to read now. Read the bible from start to finish and this time, throw away the lens of sight and read the story for what it is. Its beauty in all areas and the redemption God offers you to be his child. This is not about you and your ability to understand but about God's love for you. God is able to answer you, but your own affections are blocking you from seeing him.

We have spoken freely to you, Corinthians; our heart is wide open. You are not restricted by us, but you are restricted in your own affections. In return (I speak as to children) widen your hearts also. ~2 Corinthians 6:11-13

I don't have any affections. Life has destroyed them. I only know how to understand reason.

Kevin Snow · May 19, 2018

You flatter yourself but do you fear God?

For I do not know how to flatter, else my Maker would soon take me away. ~Job 32:22

DarkSoul999 · May 19, 2018

Kevin Snow said:
You flatter yourself but do you fear God?

For I do not know how to flatter, else my Maker would soon take me away. ~Job 32:22

I'm such a worthless piece of garbage that I don't care what happens to me.

My only fear is that he will dispose of people who are actually worth something. Life could break them and turn them into an empty shell like me.

Kevin Snow · May 19, 2018

Who are you to God? Are you his counselor? Do you speak to him in his ear? Do you tell him what lies in the heart of man? Do you watch him and make sure he is doing his job right?

HE IS GOD!!!!

Give glory to the Lord God. Repent or perish. Seek him. He is able to save you! Nothing is too much for him. Stop making your problems bigger than him.

For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward him. ~2 Chronicles 16:9

Radagast · May 19, 2018

DarkSoul999 said:
why is all reality an illusion?

All reality is not an illusion.

DarkSoul999 said:
"There was evening and there was morning" cannot be an accurate description of reality

It's far from obvious what "there was evening and there was morning" means in the absence of a sun. Traditionally, Christians have read it in a metaphorical sense.

Radagast · May 19, 2018

DarkSoul999 said:
Humans wrote the Bible. It is not the word of God unless it contains information NOT available 4000 years ago.

Huh? How does that follow? :scratch:

I would encourage you to start attending some kind of denominational church, and to focus on Jesus, rather than on exactly how God created the universe.

wonderkins · May 19, 2018

Wow. Stop with the self loathing and internet outrage. It doesn't sound at all like you're looking for answers to anything.

If by God's grace you are truly seeking him, start with the gospel of John. Follow that with Romans. Look for a biblical bible believing church and talk with the pastor.

But, you attack anyone who says what you don't want to hear. You don't even believe the first chapter of the Bible. What will you do when you make it to the axe head floating? Or the flood? Or Balaam's donkey? Or the descriptions of end time events in Ezekiel, Zachariah, Daniel, Matthew, revelations, and anywhere else? Genesis 1 is the least of your worries.

But one thing you absolutely should not do is stand in judgment of God's word while calling him a liar.

GTW27 · May 19, 2018

Perhaps, the world has turned it's back on you, but truly, truly, The Lord has not. He is just waiting for you to come to the end of yourself, and seek Him out. Is it not written that all that seek, find? It is not possible for you to understand that which is written, unless He gives you understanding. And it is not possible for you to have faith unless He gives you the gift of faith. And these things He gives freely to all who seek Him out. I know, by all that you have written in here, He is just waiting for you to come to Him. I also know He will in no wise turn you away, but would accept you just as you are. I have stood in His Holy Presence and melted in His Love. The world can say, no, He doesn't exist, because reason says so, but I say He does, for He is above all mans ways and reason. Seek Him out, and you find Him, and then and only then, will you understand, as you have been fully understood.

DarkSoul999 · May 19, 2018

wonderkins said:
Wow. Stop with the self loathing and internet outrage. It doesn't sound at all like you're looking for answers to anything.

Well I take this topic extremely seriously. If you don't like it then don't respond. Why respond?

wonderkins said:
If by God's grace you are truly seeking him, start with the gospel of John. Follow that with Romans. Look for a biblical bible believing church and talk with the pastor.

All those passages are totally fine...but if the earliest passages are false then I can't believe even the apostles.

wonderkins said:
But, you attack anyone who says what you don't want to hear. You don't even believe the first chapter of the Bible.

That guy was just trying to be a jerk.

wonderkins said:
What will you do when you make it to the axe head floating? Or the flood? Or Balaam's donkey? Or the descriptions of end time events in Ezekiel, Zachariah, Daniel, Matthew, revelations, and anywhere else? Genesis 1 is the least of your worries.

Occasional miracles aren't that hard to believe because they don't contradict the vast history of physical evidence. Big floods actually happen too. Was Balaam's donkey actually talking or was it God speaking reason to Balaam's mind?

wonderkins said:
But one thing you absolutely should not do is stand in judgment of God's word while calling him a liar.

I can only say what I actually think and feel. If God hates how I was created then he will dispose of me regardless.

Do you really think God wants me to lie to him?

GTW27 · May 19, 2018

And I leave one more thing, I used to walk in the darkness, I did not know.

R. Hartono · May 19, 2018

DarkSoul999 said:
Logic is the only thing I have. It's the only thing that I trust.

The Holy Spirit is still working beyond our logic.
The mighty miracle of the Holy Spirit of Jesus

To understand about God we need to live in humility and forgiving hearts for many many years.

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