Eternal Security - Is the Gospel

GodsGrace101 said:

Why don't you answer my questions?
I believe in eternal security --- as long as the person abides with Christ.

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It's interesting that you don't even see the contradiction in what you say.

The words "as long as..." represents a condition to be met in order for a certain outcome will happen. What Jesus said about recipients of eternal life included NO CONDITIONS.

When are you going to admit reality?

You said eternal security cannot be lost. Eternal life cannot be lost, as per John 10:28.

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I said it because Jesus said it. Which is plenty good enough for me.

I asked YOU: "Even if one returns to a life of sin"?

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There you go, with more conditions. The words "even IF one..." is a condition.

Where are the conditions for recipient to meet in order to never perish? There are NONE.

btw, there actually IS 1 condition in John 10:28. But it isn't a condition that any recipient can meet, because it isn't a condition for recipients to meet.

The condition is on being given eternal life. When that happens, Jesus said they shall never perish.

So the condition is on Jesus, who promised never perishing for recipients. Not on recipients.

So please get your story straight and actually read the verse for comprehension.

And your reply is to ask me what is holding me back from believing this incorrect concept of OSAS. It's WRONG, that's what's holding me back.

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OK, well that was clear as to what you think about what Jesus said.

So, please answer:

Even if the person goes back to a life of sin, he STILL has eternal life?

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There are no conditions for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to never perish.

The ONLY CONDITION for never perishing is to be given the gift of eternal life.

So said Jesus. But you don't believe that.

I do not understand how anyone who claims Jesus Christ as their Savior can so boldly reject His words.

GodsGrace101 said:

The words justification and sanctification have largely fallen out of use in Western culture. Sadly, they are also fading from sight in the Christian church. One reason this decline is distressing is that the Bible uses the words justification and sanctification to express the saving work of Christ for sinners. That is to say, both terms lie at the heart of the biblical gospel. So, what does the Bible teach about justification and sanctification? How do they differ from one another? How do they help us understand better the believer’s relationship with Jesus Christ?

Justification is as simple as A-B-C-D. Justification is an act of God. It does not describe the way that God inwardly renews and changes a person. It is, rather, a legal declaration in which God pardons the sinner of all his sins and accepts and accounts the sinner as righteous in His sight. God declares the sinner righteous at the very moment that the sinner puts his trust in Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:21-26, 5:16; 2 Cor. 5:21).

What is the basis of this legal verdict? God justifies the sinner solely on the basis of the obedience and death of His Son, our representative, Jesus Christ. Christ’s perfect obedience and full satisfaction for sin are the only ground upon which God declares the sinner righteous (Rom. 5:18-19; Gal. 3:13; Eph. 1:7; Phil. 2:8). We are not justified by our own works; we are justified solely on the basis of Christ’s work on our behalf. This righteousness is imputed to the sinner. In other words, in justification, God puts the righteousness of His Son onto the sinner’s account. Just as my sins were transferred to, or laid upon, Christ at the cross, so also His righteousness is reckoned to me (2 Cor. 5:21).

By what means is the sinner justified? Sinners are justified through faith alone when they confess their trust in Christ. We are not justified because of any good that we have done, are doing, or will do. Faith is the only instrument of justification. Faith adds nothing to what Christ has done for us in justification. Faith merely receives the righteousness of Jesus Christ offered in the gospel (Rom. 4:4-5).

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This part is really good.
Then he starts the sanctification part and he makes it so our justification is contingent on our sanctification.
This is not true.
This article on sanctification is much better.
Hebrew Roots/Separation unto the Lord/Sanctified/Set Apart for Him - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

I said this:
"Now, for a lesson on the 3 tenses of "salvation".

Past tense: we are saved from the penalty of sin. This is justification.
Present tense: we are being saved from the power of sin. This is sanctification (positional)
Future tense: we will be saved from the presence of sin. This is glorification

The only believers who are being saved from the power of sin are those who are filled with and walking by the Spirit, and are NOT grieving or quenching the Spirit."

GodsGrace101 said:

Wow. I learned this in catholic doctrine. You sound Catholic.

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No, you're the one who doesn't really believe in eternal security, just like the RCC.

It's correct.
They say:
I am saved
I am being saved
I will be saved

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So, this seems as though you agree with my on the fact that there are 3 tenses of salvation; justification, sanctification, and glorification?

I truly don't know about this positional belief.

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There is no such thing. Please read with more care. I was speaking of positional sanctification.

It's something I've never learned.

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Neither have I.

I believe we're either in Christ or not.

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I believe we're either saved or not.

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Correct. Our difference is that you think one can be removed from being in union with Christ, even though Paul was real clear about those who have believed (aorist - past tense) are sealed with the Holy Spirit, a guarantee for the day of redemption. Eph 1:13,14, 4:30, 2:Cor 1:22 and 5:5.

But since you think one can be, please share the verse that says so.

As to sanctified:
Acts 20:32 God will build us up - He will turn us into the person He wants us to be. This is an on-going process.

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Called experiential sanctification.

John 17:17-19 Jesus is asking God to make His people sanctified, which means holy, through the word of God which is truth. This is an on-going process.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 Paul wishes that God make the Thessalonians holy in spirit, soul and body and KEEP THEM FIT for the coming of Jesus. This is an on-going process.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 God has chosen the Thessalonians for salvation THROUGH sanctification. Through ... This is an on-going process.

1 Peter 1:2 Peter speaks of the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, that we may OBEY Jesus. This is an on-going process.

An on-going process...this means you must CONTINUE in your faith till the end (of your life) to be saved.

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No it doesn't mean that. And saying so doesn't make it true either.

I've asked you this before but you never answer...
If we grieve the Holy Spirit we become lost?
This is what you're saying in your last paragraph.

Here's what you said again:
"The only believers who are being saved from the power of sin are those who are filled with and walking by the Spirit, and are NOT grieving or quenching the Spirit."

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OK, you again misread what I said. By being "saved from the power of sin" refers to one's spiritual growth which leads to sinning less and less. We don't become "sinless", but we do sin less.

Do you understand the meaning of "sanctification"? It means "to set apart for a special purpose". Believers are to be set apart in service to God. Which is our reasonable service.

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Do you mean something experienced? That would certainly take the faith out of it.

Eloy Craft said:

No just something that can be seen.

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OK, yes, something experienced. When one sees something, that is called an experience.

MDC said:

Christ. Christ. Christ. Christ. All of grace and His power. This you cannot say simply because your doctrine is void of faith and must include SELF

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So then you ARE NOT a calvinist?

If you were you would have answered like this:
YOU are saved because God chose you to be saved.
YOU remain saved because God makes you remain saved.
YOU cannot lose your salvation because God chose you for heaven.
YOU do NOT know you will persevere until the end since God chose YOU and YOU have nothing to do with your salvation.

FreeGrace2 said:

It's interesting that you don't even see the contradiction in what you say.

The words "as long as..." represents a condition to be met in order for a certain outcome will happen. What Jesus said about recipients of eternal life included NO CONDITIONS.

When are you going to admit reality?


I said it because Jesus said it. Which is plenty good enough for me.


There you go, with more conditions. The words "even IF one..." is a condition.

Where are the conditions for recipient to meet in order to never perish? There are NONE.

btw, there actually IS 1 condition in John 10:28. But it isn't a condition that any recipient can meet, because it isn't a condition for recipients to meet.

The condition is on being given eternal life. When that happens, Jesus said they shall never perish.

So the condition is on Jesus, who promised never perishing for recipients. Not on recipients.

So please get your story straight and actually read the verse for comprehension.


OK, well that was clear as to what you think about what Jesus said.


There are no conditions for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to never perish.

The ONLY CONDITION for never perishing is to be given the gift of eternal life.

So said Jesus. But you don't believe that.

I do not understand how anyone who claims Jesus Christ as their Savior can so boldly reject His words.

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Not much use in speaking to someone who will not answer a simple, little question because the answer does not suit him.

FreeGrace2 said:

I said this:
"Now, for a lesson on the 3 tenses of "salvation".

Past tense: we are saved from the penalty of sin. This is justification.
Present tense: we are being saved from the power of sin. This is sanctification (positional)
Future tense: we will be saved from the presence of sin. This is glorification

The only believers who are being saved from the power of sin are those who are filled with and walking by the Spirit, and are NOT grieving or quenching the Spirit."

No, you're the one who doesn't really believe in eternal security, just like the RCC.


So, this seems as though you agree with my on the fact that there are 3 tenses of salvation; justification, sanctification, and glorification?


There is no such thing. Please read with more care. I was speaking of positional sanctification.


Neither have I.

Correct. Our difference is that you think one can be removed from being in union with Christ, even though Paul was real clear about those who have believed (aorist - past tense) are sealed with the Holy Spirit, a guarantee for the day of redemption. Eph 1:13,14, 4:30, 2:Cor 1:22 and 5:5.

But since you think one can be, please share the verse that says so.

Called experiential sanctification.


No it doesn't mean that. And saying so doesn't make it true either.


OK, you again misread what I said. By being "saved from the power of sin" refers to one's spiritual growth which leads to sinning less and less. We don't become "sinless", but we do sin less.

Do you understand the meaning of "sanctification"? It means "to set apart for a special purpose". Believers are to be set apart in service to God. Which is our reasonable service.

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Seeing as only YOU understand things, I remove myself from this conversation.

I said:
"It's interesting that you don't even see the contradiction in what you say.

The words "as long as..." represents a condition to be met in order for a certain outcome will happen. What Jesus said about recipients of eternal life included NO CONDITIONS.

When are you going to admit reality?"

GodsGrace101 said:

Not much use in speaking to someone who will not answer a simple, little question because the answer does not suit him.

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My answer does suit me. Very well. Like an Italian suit, actually.

But I did answer your question. Which doesn't suit you.

Not my problem. The problem is your persistent refusal to believe what Jesus said.

GodsGrace101 said:

Seeing as only YOU understand things, I remove myself from this conversation.

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I'm sorry if this discussion is over your head, but if so, good decision.

GodsGrace101 said:

agree with what you say above.
The problem is that YOU believe this and I respect you for it,
but many do exactly what you say and believe they could continue in their sinful life and still be saved.

Why take the chance? Why not just tell them the truth instead of being afraid to hurt their feelings?

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Why not tell them the truth instead f trying to generate obedience out of fear of losing salvation?
Explain to them how much God loves them and love for God will come naturally.
Read the story in Luke 7:40-50 for yourself and see if I misrepresented Jesus' ords in any way.

Bible2+ said:

Romans 8:1 ¶There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

In the original Greek Textus Receptus, and in the KJV, the latter half of this verse states the condition for the first half. If the latter half is not done, then the first half does not apply, as other verses also make clear (Romans 8:13; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Hebrews 10:26-29).

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You just assume that walking according to the flesh means sinning.
When you see the word "Therefore" you should find out waht it is there for.
Romans 7 is all about Paul trying to follow the law, and he found when he tried to do that, sin was actually strengthened. So to do your best to follow the law is what it means to walk according to the flesh.
The 10 Commandments are a ministry of death and condemnation. 2 Corinthians 3:7-9

Bible2+ said:

That's what it means, just as the "live" in Romans 8:13 refers to eternal life (Romans 8:11-13).

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Do you really think these bodies we live in now are going to be the same bodies we will have for eternity?

Bible2+ said:

For initial salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). But after that, faith alone is not enough (1 John 3:7) for ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, Titus 3:8).

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1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Titus 3:8 We are told to do good works because they are profitable.
How do either one of these verses say faith is not enough?

Bible2+ said:

He can allow an even worse disease to come upon someone if there is no repentance after He has healed them (John 5:14).

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Jesus did not say He would bring a disease upon him.
Jesus came to give us life and abundantly. John 10:10
Look all through the Gospels and show me one instance where Jesus put a disease on someone.

Bible2+ said:

Only so long as we repent (Luke 13:3).

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Repentance is absolutely necessary for us to be saved.
13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish..

Repent from what to what?
Mark 1:15 Jesus said, "Repent and believe the Gospel.
Change your mind form not believing to believing the Gospel.
Or stop depending on your own good works and accept what Christ did for you.

GodsGrace101 said:

As far as sanctification...no positional.
Please post verses about POSITIONAL sanctification.
There is only one type of sanctification....the kind that man and God work on TOGETHER.

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These verses show it is God who does the positional sanctification.
Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost..
1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God..
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
This verse shows us working with God for sanctification.
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

GodsGrace101 said:

It's correct.
They say:
I am saved
I am being saved
I will be saved

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That would be straight from Scripture.
2 Corinthians 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
He has delivered us, is delivering us , and we can trust He will deliver us.
Nothing is dependent on us.
God has promised that He will do this.

2 Timothy 1:12
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

I am wondering how I missed this wonderful verse showing eternal security?

Doug Melven said:

This part is really good.
Then he starts the sanctification part and he makes it so our justification is contingent on our sanctification.
This is not true.
This article on sanctification is much better.
Hebrew Roots/Separation unto the Lord/Sanctified/Set Apart for Him - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

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I've read it. It's the same.
What do you think is different?
I'll highlight some of it...and make some comments in green.

The term for 'sanctification' as used in the New Covenant is HAGIOSMOS and means basically 'set apart', in the sense of being set apart from all else and dedicated for Yahweh God's use.

The concept of 'holiness' is derived from this in that what is set apart unto Yahweh, is not contaminated by the corruption of the world and it's influence. It is wholly set apart unto Him, in purity. This means that we do not live a life of sin...if we do, we can no longer be sanctified.

For the believer, sanctification defines an internal state of separation from everything in the world brought about by a divine work of grace in the believer's life. This work of grace at salvation sets the believer apart as separate from and holy unto Yahweh God.

This state of sanctification is not inherent in the nature of man, nor can it be achieved through human effort, as a cleansing is necessary in the heart of man to achieve this purity from the inherent influence of the world. With the help of the Holy Spirit.

In being set apart from the world, the believer is separated from the dominion of the ruler of this world, Satan. He is virtually taken out of the kingdom of Satan by being joined to Messiah, whereby he becomes part of the kingdom of God. "Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son" Colossians 1:13 To be a part of the Kingdom of God, we cannot be living in sin.

He delivered us from the power of all that is darkness, from all their evil forces and their control over us and has translated us into another kingdom. By delivering us from one, He translates us into another whose characteristics are righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit (Romans14:17). In this transaction, the believer is rendered pure, holy and set apart. Sanctification involves separation, dedication, purity, consecration and service.
Service to God, which I've always stated and which I get much resistance to by some folk.

• In being set apart and separated from sin, he is separated unto God.
• Being separated unto God, he is thereby dedicated unto God and becomes His
• By belonging to the family of God, he is identified with God and made pure.
• Being pure and holy, his life is an acceptable offering and consecrated to Him.
• Being consecrated, he is set apart for God's use in acceptable service.

When the believer comes to salvation, the initial work of sanctification is done in him. The ongoing work of sanctification requires the believer to choose to set himself apart from everything in the world that he may be, by choice, dedicated, pure, holy and consecrated for divine service.
I said that we have to cooperate with the Holy Spirit in order to be sanctified. The above states this exactly.

SANCTIFICATION IN MESSIAH[edit]
The believer is sanctified in Messiah, for "Yeshua the Messiah .. .. is made unto us .. .. sanctification" 1 Corinthians 1:30

He, who in His life on earth was sanctified by the Father, has been made our sanctification. His life is now our life, and that is the basis of our sanctification.

The Father set the Son apart for ministry and sent Him into the world (John 10:36). The Son sanctified Himself for the Assembly's sake (John 17:17,19). The Father accepted the offering of the Son as a Lamb without spot or blemish.

"By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Yeshua the Messiah once for all. For by one offering, he has perfected forever, those who are being sanctified. Whereof the Holy Spirit is also a witness to us." Hebrews 10:10,14-15

The Holy Spirit is able to effect sanctification in us on the basis of Yeshua's substitutionary work on the torture stake. Through the redemption purchased for us at Calvary, and the purifying of our conscience by the blood of Yeshua, the believer is liberated from the world, to serve Yahweh God (Hebrews 9:13-14). The indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit is the reality of this, for He has imparted to us the Sanctified One.

THE REALITY OF SANCTIFICATION[edit]
"God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" (also 1 Peter 1: 2) Our initial salvation is wrought by faith on our part and the sanctifying work of the Spirit in response to our faith, cleansing us from all uncleanness.

"And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Yeshua and the Spirit of our God."

1 Corinthians 6:11
There has been a cleansing, a work of setting the believer apart from all that constituted his past life, making him righteous or justified with Yahweh God. There are three aspects of the work of the Spirit here, they are - the washing of regeneration, the work of separation/sanctification and the justification of the believer. Paul says to them, "You are sanctified". It was accomplished at conversion.

In writing to the assembly at Corinth, he says, "To them that are sanctified in Yeshua the Messiah, called to be saints" 1 Corinthians 1: 2 They were sanctified. but they are called to be saints, to go on to maturity and be perfected in holiness. This is an on-going process.

In chapter three of this same letter, Paul says to them that they are carnal because they had envy, strife and divisions among themselves (v.1, 3) They were sanctified by the work of the Spirit, yet they lacked the outworking of it in their lives. They were not continuing on in maintaining a state of sanctification.

Yahweh God calls His people to separate themselves from all uncleanness and to appropriate in their lifestyle, what He has effected for them spiritually. That is, to make their legal position in Messiah also their actual experience and their possession.

"Wherefore, come out from among them, and be separate, saith Yahweh, and touch not the unclean; and I will receive you, and I will be a Father unto you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, saith Yahweh the Almighty" Having these promises dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."

2 Corinthians 6:17-18; 7: 1
Sanctification is an initial work of grace which needs to be entered into fully so that holiness is perfected or completed in our lives.

DELIVERED FROM SATAN'S DOMINION[edit]
The Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) in sanctifying the believer, delivers him from the power of sin and death so that he can walk in holiness and serve Yahweh God acceptably.

The 'death' that is considered here is spiritual death which is the result of sin. Spiritual death is separation from God, alienation and independence from Him in every way, and in this state man is at enmity with God. Death is an absence of life, and when we are alienated from God, we are devoid of life, for He is the source of all aspects of life. The energising life-flow that was originally breathed into man at the beginning, brought him into communion with God. Only in a life of communion with Yahweh God does man have 'life'. This is referring to John 15:1-6 Jesus, as the vine, gives life to us, the branches. Without Jesus in our lives, we die because we are cut off from the life source.

When in a state of death, man's life cannot be sustained, for man does not have the source of life within himself, and ultimately the process of degeneration has it's ultimate end with the body's decease also.

"And you hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and sins." Ephesians 2:1

"God sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him."1 John.4: 9

In Messiah we have been made alive from our state of spiritual death and by a process of spiritual birth and the indwelling of the Spirit, we are brought into union with Him. The action of bringing us into union with God, separates us from our past union with sin. We are separated from it and it's dominion over us, by being changed over into the kingdom of God.

When He sanctified us, He " delivered us out of the kingdom of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son." Colossians 1:13

The word 'delivered' means, 'rescued out of', and the word 'translated' comes from the two roots which mean 'to change' and 'to cause to stand'.
He has rescued out of the dominion which darkness exercised over our lives, in the grip of which we were held captive, and has changed us and caused us to stand in His kingdom.
We need to be changed to be in the Kingdom of God.

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FreeGrace2 said:

I said:
"It's interesting that you don't even see the contradiction in what you say.

The words "as long as..." represents a condition to be met in order for a certain outcome will happen. What Jesus said about recipients of eternal life included NO CONDITIONS.

When are you going to admit reality?"

My answer does suit me. Very well. Like an Italian suit, actually.

But I did answer your question. Which doesn't suit you.

Not my problem. The problem is your persistent refusal to believe what Jesus said.

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Why would you want an Italian suit?
Hubby likes American ones.

FreeGrace2 said:

I'm sorry if this discussion is over your head, but if so, good decision.

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Yeah. You're just too smart for me, with that one verse of yours!

GodsGrace101 said:

I've read it. It's the same.
What do you think is different?

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Your article made justification contingent upon sanctification. This is backwards.
We can't be sanctified unless we are justified first.
Whether or not the sanctification process is completed or not, will not affect justification because that is a done deal.

Doug Melven said:

Why not tell them the truth instead f trying to generate obedience out of fear of losing salvation?
Explain to them how much God loves them and love for God will come naturally.
Read the story in Luke 7:40-50 for yourself and see if I misrepresented Jesus' ords in any way.

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I don't speak about loss of salvation to scare people into obeying.
Scare tactics don't work.
I speak about it because it could happen and it's a warning to be smart.

Kind of like when you learn to drive and it's good to know what a red light means.

Or do you just tell a person to keep driving so they feel good about it?

OSAS, or eternal security was NOT KNOWN prior to John Calvin in the year 1,500 AD, approx. Could everyone before Calvin have been so stupid as to not see this in scripture??

The Calvinist doctrine of “once saved, always saved” or unconditional eternal security was not a doctrine that was taught by the ancient church, nor for that manner, by any well-known theologian before John Calvin. The doctrine of unconditional eternal security teaches that the elect (the only humans who God chooses to redeem) will be the recipients of the persevering power introduced by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and they will infallibly know that they are saved. These believers will be kept in the power of the Spirit and are eternally secure. They can never lose their salvation. Here is a summary of the Calvinist belief from The Canons of Dort:

source: The Early Church believed in Once Saved, Always… oh, Wait, No They Didn’t!

Doug Melven said:

These verses show it is God who does the positional sanctification.
Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost..
1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God..
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
This verse shows us working with God for sanctification.
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.


That would be straight from Scripture.
2 Corinthians 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
He has delivered us, is delivering us , and we can trust He will deliver us.
Nothing is dependent on us.
God has promised that He will do this.

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You posted a good article on this.
I highlighted some parts of it.
There's no reason to reply to this post.
It's only necessary to read that article.
Mine said the same, only easier to read.

Doug Melven said:

Your article made justification contingent upon sanctification. This is backwards.
We can't be sanctified unless we are justified first.
Whether or not the sanctification process is completed or not, will not affect justification because that is a done deal.

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We are justified first. Correct.
Whether or not the sanctification process is completed will not affect our salvation because it will NOT be completed before we die. Do you know anyone who does not sin at all?

Did you not read the entire article?
Don't you understand that being set apart means being of service to God?
Being of service to God means living for Him and working, or doing good deeds for Him.

If we stop doing that, the sanctification process ends.
It's a PROCESS. A process could end.
PLEASE read it again.

GodsGrace101 said:

OSAS, or eternal security was NOT KNOWN prior to John Calvin in the year 1,500 AD, approx. Could everyone before Calvin have been so stupid as to not see this in scripture??

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Do you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?
The first defence of the doctrine of the Trinity was in the early 3rd century by the early church father Tertullian. He explicitly defined the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and defended his theology against "Praxeas", though he noted that the majority of the believers in his day found issue with his doctrine.

Should we discard the doctrine of the Trinity because it wasn't set in place till the 3rd century?

GodsGrace101 said:

Did you not read the entire article?
Don't you understand that being set apart means being of service to God?
Being of service to God means living for Him and working, or doing good deeds for Him.

If we stop doing that, the sanctification process ends.
It's a PROCESS. A process could end.

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Justification is a finished process. It cannot be undone, period.
We were justified when we were born-again.

Have you ever heard the adage?
Live once, die twice
Live twice, die once

This is actually biblical.
It is appointed unto man to die once, but after this the judgment. Hebrews 9:27
But, you say we can die a third time.
We are physically born. Live once
We are born again. Live twice.
We lose salvation. Die first time.
We physically die. Die second time.
Face judgment. die third time. But this is called the second death, not the third.

But I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day. 2 Timothy 1:12