GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

JLB777 · May 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
No it wasnt as shown above you got caught out. Your question was answered with scriptures so you changed your question right?

The scriptures were supplied in the next post here linked which you ignored.

You have never provided any scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles commanded the Church to gather on the Sabbath to worship, because there arent any in the Bible.

You have just referred to cut and past answers that do not any any bearing on my question because you are just stalling, knowing that more and more people that view these threads are seeing your doctrine as being a man made doctrine of bondage and deception.

You have been deceived and you are being used to deceive others.

You have no scripture that teaches us, we are commanded to gather on the Sabbath to worship, or it's a sin.

If you did, you would have posted it by now.

you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years.

9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God,how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
Galatians 4:9-11

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 2:11-16

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. Romans 14:5-6

Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every truth be established.

Here are three scriptures that I have posted, that show there is no commandment to gather on the Sabbath to worship the Lord.

Now it's your turn.

Please provide the scriptures that validate your point, that it's a sin, not to gather on the Sabbath to worship the Lord.

If you can not provide these scriptures that I have asked for, then you are guilty of promoting false doctrine.

JLB

Bob S · May 17, 2018

Marco70 said:
Actually, the rich young ruler who claimed he obeyed the TC walked away from Christ

How very true.

Bob S · May 17, 2018

JLB777 said:
You have never provided any scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles commanded the Church to gather on the Sabbath to worship, because there arent any in the Bible.

You have just referred to cut and past answers that do not any any bearing on my question because you are just stalling, knowing that more and more people that view these threads are seeing your doctrine as being a man made doctrine of bondage and deception.

You have been deceived and you are being used to deceive others.

You have no scripture that teaches us, we are commanded to gather on the Sabbath to worship, or it's a sin.

If you did, you would have posted it by now.

you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years.

9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God,how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
Galatians 4:9-11

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 2:11-16

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. Romans 14:5-6

Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every truth be established.

Here are three scriptures that I have posted, that show there is no commandment to gather on the Sabbath to worship the Lord.

Now it's your turn.

Please provide the scriptures that validate your point, that it's a sin, not to gather on the Sabbath to worship the Lord.

If you can not provide these scriptures that I have asked for, then you are guilty of promoting false doctrine.

JLB

Gal 3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain – if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham ‘believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’

23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: we know it by the Spirit he gave us. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth.

The truth comes not from lgw, T7th, Ellen White or anyone thumping the old covenant law. It is found right where it belongs, in the Holy Writ. I know I am correct and belong to the truth because the Bible tells me so, tells me so in 1Jn3:19-24. Christians are not supposed to be like those foolish Galatians who were persuaded to follow old covenant ritual laws.

LoveGodsWord · May 17, 2018

JLB777 said:
You have never provided any scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles commanded the Church to gather on the Sabbath to worship, because there arent any in the Bible.

You have just referred to cut and past answers that do not any any bearing on my question because you are just stalling, knowing that more and more people that view these threads are seeing your doctrine as being a man made doctrine of bondage and deception.

You have been deceived and you are being used to deceive others.

You have no scripture that teaches us, we are commanded to gather on the Sabbath to worship, or it's a sin.

If you did, you would have posted it by now.

you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years.

9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God,how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
Galatians 4:9-11

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colossians 2:11-16

One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. Romans 14:5-6

Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every truth be established.

Here are three scriptures that I have posted, that show there is no commandment to gather on the Sabbath to worship the Lord.

Now it's your turn.

Please provide the scriptures that validate your point, that it's a sin, not to gather on the Sabbath to worship the Lord.

If you can not provide these scriptures that I have asked for, then you are guilty of promoting false doctrine.

JLB

Now JBL, Are you telling the truth? It is one thing to ask a question and have it answered for you but another thing to deny you asked a question that was indeed answered with God's WORD which you choose to ignore.

These are your words posted below, not mine that you asked me to respond to earlier which I did, then you choose to ignore the linked post below after the question you asked with all the scriptures in them that disagree with your teaching and then you decided to change your question to something different.

Here is what you said earlier...

JBL777 wrote: My question has always been, how does the New Testament instruct us to keep the Sabbath under the New Covenant?

The scriptures were supplied in the next post here linked which you ignored.

Do you agree that your question above has been answered before we move on and will you agree to answer my posts and scriptures in them that disagree with your teachings if we continue?

As I said earlier my friend I am happy to continue a discussion with you if you agree to answer my posts and scriptures in them that you choose to ignore.

All your doing is repeating the same things that have been answered many times already and ignoring all the posts and scripture provided that disagree with your teachings. This only shows your error and not open to discussion.

Do you agree to answer my posts and scriptures and questions that disagree with your teachings if we continue? YES or NO? Or are you going to continue to ignore all posts that come your way?

Only God's WORD is true ands we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Marco70 · May 17, 2018

JLB777 said:
You have never provided any scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles commanded the Church to gather on the Sabbath to worship, because there arent any in the Bible.

If you did, you would have posted it by now.

Which is why you got the standard lgw response of evasion:

''As I said earlier my friend I am happy to continue a discussion with you if you agree to answer my posts and scriptures in them that you choose to ignore.''
All your doing is repeating the same things that have been answered many times already and ignoring all the posts and scripture provided that disagree with your teachings. This only shows your error and not open to discussion.

Do you agree to answer my posts and scriptures and questions that disagree with your teachings if we continue? YES or NO?''

LoveGodsWord · May 17, 2018

Marco70 said:
Which is why you got the standard lgw response of evasion:

''As I said earlier my friend I am happy to continue a discussion with you if you agree to answer my posts and scriptures in them that you choose to ignore.''
All your doing is repeating the same things that have been answered many times already and ignoring all the posts and scripture provided that disagree with your teachings. This only shows your error and not open to discussion.

Do you agree to answer my posts and scriptures and questions that disagree with your teachings if we continue? YES or NO? Or are you going to continue to ignore all posts that come your way?''

There is no evasion my friend only God's WORD you either have it or you do not. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God.

How can anyone expect to be in God's Kingdom when they ignore his Word?

Marco70 · May 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no evasion my friend only God's WORD you either have it or you do not.

Do you have the discernment to explain God's word, or only to quote the partial letter?

Please explain the following to me, in your own words:

When the law was given sin increased Rom 5:20

For when we were in the realm of the flesh,a]'>[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death Rom 7:5 NIV

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment(one of the TC), wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. Rom 7:7

For sin, taking occasion by the commandment(one of the TC), deceived me, and by it slew me verse11

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment(one of the TC) might become exceeding sinful. verse13

klutedavid · May 18, 2018

Does someone who loves his neighbor commit murder?

Does someone who loves his neighbor commit adultery?

Does someone who loves his neighbor commit theft?

See the pattern?

Obviously, if you love others then the law is not necessary.

Can the whole law then be fulfilled simply by loving others?

Romans 13:8
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.

If you are loving others as Christ loves you, then you can discard those commandments mentioned. Those commandments are redundant and replaced by the royal law, the law of Christ.

LoveGodsWord · May 18, 2018

klutedavid said:
Does someone who loves his neighbor commit murder?

Does someone who loves his neighbor commit adultery?

Does someone who loves his neighbor commit theft?

See the pattern?

Obviously, if you love others then the law is not necessary.

Can the whole law then be fulfilled simply by loving others?

Romans 13:8
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.

If you are loving others as Christ loves you, then you can discard those commandments mentioned. Those commandments are redundant and replaced by the royal law, the law of Christ.

Now your getting it David. This is exactly right in regards to LOVE towards our fellow man. It is ONLY through Faith that works by LOVE that anyone can keep God's Commandments and is why Jesus says; If you LOVE me KEEP my Commandments (John 14:15). It is those who LOVE God that he shows his mercy as it is written; he shows his mercy to those that LOVE him and keep his Commandments (Exodus 20:6; John 14:15; 15:10).

Now keep your line of thinking and your great post above and apply it to our duty of LOVE towards God......

Does someone who loves God take God's name in vain?

Does someone who loves God have other God's?

Does someone who loves God break and forget his Sabbath?

See the pattern you are explaining?

Don't forget there are two great commandments of LOVE; one to God and the other to our fellow man (Matthew 22:36-40)

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Marco70 · May 18, 2018

The problem with only having, at best a shallow understanding of the letter, and only being able to quote the partial letter is
You then cannot discern the true message contained in the letter. Nor can you understand the outworking of the core foundation upon which the NC stands:

The law God desires you to follow is in your heart and mind
Sin is the transgression of the law
Through the law we become conscious of sin.
What is in your mind, you in your mind must know
The law in your heart, MUST(MUST) give you heartfelt conviction of sin if you wilfully transgress it.
Therefore, no conviction of sin in regard to failing to observe a set Saturday Sabbath means, that law as written is not placed in the believers heart and mind.
However, those who can only quote the letter, must remain blind to the spiritual reality upon which the NC stands

Bob S · May 18, 2018

How can sin be transgression of the Sinai covenant? That covenant ended at Calvary. Sin has to be the sins Jesus proclaimed, His law to Christians. Jesus law to Christians is found in 1Jn3:19-24, believe and keep the law of love.

The law believers will protest telling us that the 10 commandments are God's eternal law. When they are challenged on that point they are mute, but they never cease telling us that. They tell us because thee 10 were written by God's own finger the it has to be eternal, Well, since Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood it supersedes the old one and is really the eternal covenant.

Bob S · May 18, 2018

LGW STATED:

Yet it is Jesus that tells us that God's LAW is eternal and not one jot or tittle is to change;

Where does scripture state that God's law (the Sinai Covenant) is eternal.
Not one jot would change UNTIL, but you do not believe scripture do you? You follow the words of Ellen White do you not?

LoveGodsWord · May 18, 2018

Bob S said:
LGW STATED:

Where does scripture state that God's law (the Sinai Covenant) is eternal.
Not one jot would change UNTIL, but you do not believe scripture do you? You follow the words of Ellen White do you not?

Hello Bob, has Heaven and Earth passed away? Have all things been fulfilled? Has Jesus returned?

GODS ETERNAL LAW

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).

God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35).

Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.).

The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31).

God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matthew 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Romans 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14 Romans 7:22).

The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Galatians 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law (Romans 3:31), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4; Romans 3:31) through love (Romans 13:10).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written...

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified (Romans 2:12-13).

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God's Sabbth (4th Commandment) is indeed a SIGN to God's people. Where does it say in the scriptures that this sign is not applicable now in the NEW COVENANT?

let's read the scriptures....

EXODUS 31:13-17 [13], Speak also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you. [14], You shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. [15], Six days may work be done; but on the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. [16], Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a EVERLASTING covenant. [17], It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

New Living Translation
The people of Israel must keep the Sabbath day by observing it from generation to generation. This is a covenant obligation for all time.

English Standard Version
Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.

New American Standard Bible
'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'

King James Bible
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Christian Standard Bible
The Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a permanent covenant.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let the children of Israel keep the sabbath, and celebrate it in their generations. It is an everlasting covenant

Darby Bible Translation
And the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations -- [it is] an everlasting covenant.

Now all of this links into the next key scripture as follows

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ISAIAH 66:22-23 [22], For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your descendants and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the LORD.

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CONCLUSION: Yep the scriptures are pretty clear here that God's SABBATH is an EVERLASTING COVENANT that will be kept in the NEW EARTH.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Marco70 · May 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Bob, has Heaven and Earth passed away? Have all things been fulfilled? Has Jesus returned?

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled

Do I take it from what you wrote, you do not delete one jot or title from the law in your observance of it?

Bob S · May 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Bob, has Heaven and Earth passed away? Have all things been fulfilled? Has Jesus returned?

What a conundrum you pose. So, not one tittle or even a jot has passed away because Heaven and Earth hasn't. Lets get something straight before I get into this any deeper. Heaven and Earth passing away is a metaphor. Secondly Jesus was referring to all of the Law, 613 commands. So, what you are really saying is that none of the 613 have been fulfilled, which of course is not so. So, the real fact is that Jesus did fulfill the law and of course He said ALL be fulfilled.
all of the law is fulfilled 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. One or the other brother. Either none or all.

The Law of God (10 commandments)

The Law of God to Israel was 613 laws friend. Just because the book was at the side of the arc does not make it inferior to the 10. It all came from God.

which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).

14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

If you meaning of forever in that verse means the Law then you better put the feast days on your calendar and bone up on all the Law.

God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).

Perfect does not mean eternal now does it LGW?

God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35).

Again you shoot yourself in the foot LGW. By now it is a wonder you have any feet.

. Trying to link the 10 being eternal has failed so far, but lets read on, maybe you will stumble on to something.

Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.).

Ps111:7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

You really have to answer this next question and you might as well do it now instead of having us ask over and over like you mostly do. Where it says all of His commandments which ones does He give you the privilege to not uphold? Remember he says they are all sure and stands forever and ever. Can I use that verse to tell me the 10 are forever and the remainder are culled? If so you win, I erred.

The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31).

It was the standard for the now defunct Israel. It was never the standard for the Gentile nations.

God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God

I have heard enough. when one uses the words of Ellen White to describe the character of God as being the 10 commandments it makes me want to boil. Anyone that would reduce God's character to 10 commands is not thinking on their own. They are just mimicking or parroting the one that was brain damaged with a big rock and never recovered. There are not words to describe God's character. Yep, I have heard enough from you and Ellen. 2Cor3:7-11 still stands and transitory doesn't mean transfer.

klutedavid · May 19, 2018

You said.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Yet we have according to the SDA an expanded form of the law in Matthew chapter five. Why do you continue to quote the ancient form of the law (Exodus 20), and not the abridged version of the law (Matthew 5).

One is what the ancients were told, but Jesus gave a newer version, do you agree?

JLB777 · May 19, 2018

Marco70 said:
Which is why you got the standard lgw response of evasion:

''As I said earlier my friend I am happy to continue a discussion with you if you agree to answer my posts and scriptures in them that you choose to ignore.''
All your doing is repeating the same things that have been answered many times already and ignoring all the posts and scripture provided that disagree with your teachings. This only shows your error and not open to discussion.

Do you agree to answer my posts and scriptures and questions that disagree with your teachings if we continue? YES or NO?''

If you can you show me a scripture where Jesus or the Apostles, commanded the church to gather on the Sabbath, I will be glad to address your post.

I won’t however address scriptures that do not teach that the Church is commanded to gather on the Sabbath.

JLB

JLB777 · May 19, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Now JBL, Are you telling the truth? It is one thing to ask a question and have it answered for you but another thing to deny you asked a question that was indeed answered with God's WORD which you chose to ignore it.

These are your words posted below, not mine that you asked me to respond to earlier which I did, then you choose to ignore the linked post below after the question you asked with all the scriptures in them that disagree with your teaching and then you decided to change your question to something different.

Here is what you said earlier...

The scriptures were supplied in the next post here linked which you ignored.

Do you agree that your question above has been answered before we move on and will you agree to answer my posts and scriptures in them that disagree with your teachings if we continue?

As I said earlier my friend I am happy to continue a discussion with you if you agree to answer my posts and scriptures in them that you choose to ignore.

All your doing is repeating the same things that have been answered many times already and ignoring all the posts and scripture provided that disagree with your teachings. This only shows your error and not open to discussion.

Do you agree to answer my posts and scriptures and questions that disagree with your teachings if we continue? YES or NO? Or are you going to continue to ignore all posts that come your way?

Only God's WORD is true ands we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Still no scripture that commands the Church to gather on the Sabbath?

I wonder why?

Bob S · May 19, 2018

I love to tell them why. It is because the Sinai covenant ended when the new one began. That event took place at Calvary. Those who so not accept what Jesus did for all mankind are denying that Jesus had the power to fulfill, bring to an end, the Sinai covenant. Paul called that covenant the ministry of death and pointed out that it was a temporary covenant. It was the guide for one nation. Paul then points out that the temporary one has been replaced by the Holy Spirit within us and offered to every living soul. The writer of Hebrews clenches what Paul so eloquently wrote. We have a NEW AND BETTER covenant with better promises.

We have to present the truth and allow the Holy Spirit to work in them. That is how I was finally released from the bondage of Adventism.

Bob S · May 19, 2018

Can any thinking person diminish the character of our (words cannot describe) God to the 10 commandments. Is our God a negative God of thou shalt nots? Is that the character of our almighty, everlasting, loving and supreme Creator and redeemer? There are no words in our finite vocabulary to really describe the character of God.

GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

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