Women teaching and youth groups.

That's not clearly delineated in the NT, though.

Ah, the old “women’s place in church” debate! I think the gifts God places on each of our hearts differs greatly from person to person of either gender. For that reason, there are women who make better pastors than men, and men who make better prayer warriors than women! God stirs our hearts individually, and I don’t see a problem with a church being run by a woman, and it is in no way any less valid than a male-run one!

Quite frankly, I do not believe that it is the right of any man to dictate to a woman that they're "not allowed" to lead the church, or that they can't receive the same calling to ministry as men.

This is an old fashioned issue that I would personally like to see die. Women are equal to men; get over it.
Ringo

Paidiske said:

Not precisely. In the NT there is not a clear distinction between bishops (overseers) and priests (elders).

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Bishop, Overseer, Shepherd, Pastors, Presbyters and Elders, are the exact same thing. Each of those words describe an aspect of their job to "lead the sheep". 1 Timothy 3:1-7 gives us the qualifications of how one can become a Bishop. Yes, many "churches" have allowed people in who does not meet the qualifications and have changed definitions to allow those in.

TheBibleIsTruth said:

says you! However, the Holy Bible, the Ultimate Authority on ALL matters, disagrees with you.

"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

Very clear instructions from the Lord, for those who will listen to them. A woman CANNOT be the Pastor/Teacher in any Church that is built on the Holy Bible, as the Ultimate Authority.

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If that be the Lord's will, so be it.

redblue22 said:

anyone so concerned about silly titles is no leader of mine.

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So when St. Paul argued that he truly was an apostle, he lost your confidence?

Sammy-San said:

Being under a church is like a disclaimer?

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The church is the people, not the building.
Women are part of the church. We are probably even in the majority; there are certainly more women than men in the church I go to.
If a group of women met in a school to worship God, read the Scriptures etc, that would be church.

Sammy-San said:

I was referring to the building and being under a church issue.

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Under a church building?
What, you mean as in buried under it?

The building is not the church.
The building has no authority, cannot follow or uphold Scripture, etc.
When Jesus said "tell it to the church", he didn't mean "go and inform the building".

TheBibleIsTruth said:

Very clear instructions from the Lord, for those who will listen to them. A woman CANNOT be the Pastor/Teacher in any Church that is built on the Holy Bible, as the Ultimate Authority.

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Clearly she can, and is, and it is the Lord who calls her to be so.

Sammy-San said:

Does them being under a church building and authority disclaim it from it being a church and them being a pastor?

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I don't think I understand that question.

But the Bible says women aren't to teach and exercise authority over men. I'd suggest that males who are part of a "youth group" aren't men, but boys. This also makes women's ministry groups OK in my mind.

The whole point is one of headship, with man being the head of woman, according to St Paul. We're supposed to honour that divine order, not challenge it for the sake of "progress" or "relevance" or any other humanist ideal. We're not humanists but Christians. We're doing it for God, not ourselves, and God spoke through St Paul, so we should respect what God had to say.