The Marriage of the Left Behind Bride (post tribbers)

Ken Rank said:

Having to restate what I said and in the process showing you agreed shows what? That you have to say it to be right or something? I am confused?

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So it confuses you when someone agrees with you , you don't like it when someone agrees with you ? why should it matter if I give examples if it agrees with you , yea seems you are confused

Ken Rank said:

What I call Israel is what the bible calls Israel. Do you want all the biblical references? Something tells me you don't want to know, though.

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It matters not how many verses you post especially if you misinterpret or misunderstand them , post as many as your heart desires the fact that you intentionally disregard what has already been given to you and you pretend that it what not given reveals how you avoid the issue
Holy scriptures tell us what will happen in the future and why it will happen and where it will happen
To suppose that at this moment we are all Israel is just not accurate because there is Purpose in the who ,what ,where ,why The events of the future happen all designed by Jesus
The Great Tribulation that Jesus has caused to happen begins in Israel- not some other country but Israel
When Jesus returns and puts His feet on the ground it is in Israel- Not some other country
The Hook that is placed in the Jaw of Israels enemies and drag them down out of the northern countries to come down and wage war with Israel Is by the LORD GOD Himself - Not to some other country

Prophecies of Jeremiah 31 has not happened yet , not until prophecy has been fulfilled and Jesus has returned

There is more , but since you choose to ignore Why these happen to ISRAEL is proof enough that you are 99% likely to show a misunderstanding of any verses you post
of the things that Prophesied to happen in ISRAEL and not another country shows your error - God even told us before it happened that Israel would again be a Nation that all of the world would be watching,

Israel IS the ONLY country in the history of the planet earth that a nation that was dissolved for nearly 2000 years and then arose again to be a national country again.
exactly as God's Word said it would happen

To say that all of the people of the world or all Christians world is Israel is a gross misinterpretation of scripture solely for the purpose to take away the true meaning of who Israel really is
Do you think of yourself as a person that has given Jesus the scars on his hands , feet and side ?
Let these things sink in, have a blessed day !

God bless Joshua said:

Why would Jesus rapture the saints if the tribulation is over and antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace again ?

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You apparently don't understand what the "caught up" event of 1 Thess.4 is. I know many brethren on the pre-trib rapture theory of men that aren't taught clearly what Apostle Paul said in 1 Thess.4.

There's two separate groups of saints Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.4.

The saints that are dead are labeled as being "asleep". Paul says Jesus will bring those asleep saints with Him when He comes. That's about their being resurrected on the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. He brings them with Him from Heaven when He comes back to earth.

The saints on earth still alive on that day, Paul said these will be "caught up" to Jesus at His coming. Jesus comes in the clouds we are told in more than one Scripture. So these are not caught up to go to Heaven, these are caught up to Jesus in the clouds on His way back to the Mount of Olives on earth.

Acts 1 and Zechariah 14 reveals where Jesus returns to, literally. It is back to the Mount of Olives where He ascended to The Father from.

The pre-trib rapture doctors instead created their idea that Jesus raptures part of His Church before the trib, and takes them with Him to Heaven to wait out the trib, and then returns at the end of the trib with His Church. No such idea is written anywhere in God's Word. Instead, God's Word is emphatic that on our Lord Jesus' return from Heaven, he brings the 'asleep' saints with Him like Paul said, and then we who are still alive on earth are "caught up" to Him on His way to Jerusalem on earth.

God bless Joshua said:

Why would Jesus rapture the saints if the tribulation is over and antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace again ?

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Why would you continue to ignore what the Bible says to make your doctrine work?


The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 7:12, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, kills the Two Peoples of God doctrine and its pretrib removal of the Church.


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a member of the New Covenant Church.

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BABerean2 said:

Why would you continue to ignore what the Bible says to make your doctrine work?
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That is Exactly what you do --- and you did not answer the question

God bless Joshua said:

You dont understand who are the Great Multitude in front of the Throne.

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If you're thinking the "great multitude" is shown having been raptured before the trib, then you're wrong, and you haven't properly weighed the timing given about them.

Rev 7:14-17
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

John is told those came out of great tribulation, washed their robes and made them white in the blood of The Lamb (Jesus Christ). It means they were tried and tested, and overcame.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple: and He That sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
KJV

That view of their being before God's throne serving Him day and night in His temple is about the future Millennial reign by Christ Jesus after His return. That's pointing to the temple sanctuary in Ezekiel 40-47 that is to be built in Jerusalem. That is what Ezekiel calls the Father's House, the same House of John 14 where Jesus there are many "mansions" (abodes in the Greek). Those time comparisons about not thirsting, won't feel hot or cold, no hunger, living fountains of waters, etc., are all future Millennial timings.

The Revelation 4 & 5 chapters about the 24 elders also have the timings of Christ's future Millennium reign, as the new song that is sung with the 144,000 standing with Jesus on Sion (Zion) is Millennial timing. The pre-trib rapture theorists try to say that's about a rapture to Heaven of the Church prior to the tribulation. It's not; it's a future-forward view during Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

God bless Joshua said:

You are insisting on marriage with the antichrist, you have absolute rights. You might die earlier in the tribulation not because of your testimony but because of famine, wars, riots, plagues, calamities, plunders, murders etc.

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Try basing your doctrine on what the Bible says, instead of "FreakingNews.com" cartoons.

If you have to use these fictional cartoons to make your viewpoint work, then you have revealed the fiction in what you are promoting.


Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Try quoting the Bible, instead of you.

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God bless Joshua said:

You are insisting on marriage with the antichrist, you have absolute rights. You might die earlier in the tribulation not because of your testimony but because of famine, wars, riots, plagues, calamities, plunders, murders etc.
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The pre-trib rapture doctrine you're on is from men, not from God. Try its scare tactic (which is really the only power it has over the deceived) on someone else who doesn't know any better.

When Apostle Paul spoke of the deceived who are 'drunken in the night' (1 Thess.5), that fits those on the false pre-trib rapture theory very well. They are spiritually 'drunk'... on the fly away doctrine of men, and cannot be reasoned with about what God's Word actually says.

God bless Joshua said:

The foolish virgins will be left and will also get 'married' with the Beast.

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The parable of the virgins refers to the time when the bridegroom returns.
For about 1800 years of Church history it was understood to occur at Christ's Second Coming.

Corrie Ten Boom and her family were put in a Nazi concentration camp after they hid Jews in their home during WW2. She understands persecution and also saw how the pretrib doctrine had a negative impact on churches under persecution.
In the following an American woman reads a letter that Corrie wrote about the pretrib doctrine.


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God bless Joshua said:

The wise virgins shall be taken to the Feast of the Lamb ALIVE.
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The foolish virgins will be left and will also get 'married' with the Beast.

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What you obviously are blind about, is that there is coming to this earth first, a false Messiah playing our Lord Jesus Christ, in Jerusalem. That false one is to work great signs and wonders fooling the whole world (excepting Christ's elect) into believing he is God.

That false one... is who the pre-trib rapture doctrine is preparing its deceived for. Like Jesus showed, the first one 'taken' will be as a dead carcase wheresoever the fowls are gathered (Luke 17:37 & Matt.24:28).