How will you react and respond when...

drjean · May 17, 2018

There have been many ideas by those who "know" aliens are real, and here, and their eventual purpose. Some say that we will be told how much they help the world and to embrace them.

[As for robot-human entities, they do exist. The Syrian Ambassador said so in interview... how they must have a war for them or they will turn on the general world's population. They are very tall "robotoids" and the only way to kill them is copper tipped ? bullets because the copper interacts with the enzymes in the robotoid blood. Hmmmmm.... This does fall in line with 'Nam Vets who were experimented on with LSD because it made them crazy wild go-get-em soldiers... I doubt the government stopped with those experiments.]

HOWEVER this is not about life on other planets, nor robotoids.

THIS thread is about what will you say to other Christians in warning or ? and what will you say to the lost who are either scared or embrace the concept?

com7fy8 · May 17, 2018

drjean said:
What I want to know is what should a CHRISTIAN response be to the world IF this announcement is, indeed made.

I would not tell other Christians what to think or believe; but I would not believe it.

Andrew Jeremiah · May 17, 2018

drjean said:
There's seemingly going to be a big disclosure about aliens being real.

In fact, just last weekend the NY Times wrote an article and 3 video clips with sounds/conversations was unclassified by the government regarding what we call UFOs. (I think you can see some here re "tic tac": A short history of UFOs in America: Aliens, flying discs and sightings - CNN) "it was one of many confounding examples of unidentified flying objects the Pentagon investigated in the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program."

Recently the government changed the name of UFOs to UAPs (Unidentified aerial phenomena).

Word "on the street" is that the US Government is preparing civilians for a full disclosure that not only are aliens real but that they have been assisting with advanced technology since Roswell.

This is not to debate any of that: either it will or won't occur; either it's true or not; either they exist or they don't.

What I want to know is what should a CHRISTIAN response be to the world IF this announcement is, indeed made.

How does it fit into our current Christian theology? I believe there are verses that allude to things like this about which we don't know much.

Typical of course is the "wheel" that Ezekiel disclosed.

Also, the miracle at Fatima included pics of UFO, radiation burns, hair loss etc. Another visual encounter in Georgia a husband and wife on their farm ...man saw UFO, woman saw angelic being. (Which could explain Fatima story differences?)

ANYWAY... we should be prepared and I daresay most haven't even followed how the information has been changing and developing and being released.

What say you?

Yahweh has revealed in the Hebrew Scripture of the Hebrew people that there is only one other besides Him that are alien to this planet (and I speak of creation as angels were not created of anything material in the universe - man was.) This alien being is as I already mentioned are angels - both Elect and Fallen. The other "alien" is God.
There are no other beings mentioned in their Scripture.
Thus, silence is golden.
And God has the last word.
What He hasn't spoken of is of no concern to us.
Conclusion: God, angels, and man. That's all that are in this universe.

GUANO · May 17, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
Heavenly “principalities”:

"Principalities" are spirits called Egregores--they are synonymous with the "Watchers", the "giants", and "Archangels"; they are the "Body Politic" of earthly institutions... Most of them are Idols created by man and do not breathe or think or do anything of that nature but are "bound to the earth" and "shall destroy without incurring judgement until the consummation of the ages" when they will be "cast alive in the lake of fire" as is written in the Book of Enoch. Daniel and John see them in visions as beasts. Many other corporate spirits (such as families, tribes, and nations) are ancient and have existed since before the first "kingdom" was crafted out of stone by man.
.... And then a man draws lines out of an image of the earth says: "It exists!" "It's Egypt!" and the people agree, and thus, through faith and sorcery is born a monster that does not eat or sleep or think...

The mechanics behind this are first described in Genesis in the phrase "And the two became one body/flesh"---it's not talking about sex, it's talking about the spiritual nature of incorporeal bodies/families. They are the "hosts of heaven"...

Your "inner-spirit" or "inner-man", your "consciousness", is also a product of the same type of relationship between your psyche (mind/spirit) and the millions of cells which are "incorporated" into your "body" so that you can receive communications from them and perceive all of these forces as a singular being you like to call "you", the "living creature" or "soul"...

[Staff edit].

...Such is the nature of the 'heavens'

The7thColporteur · May 17, 2018

Southernscotty said:
Wouldn't it be a good deception though if the rapture [catching away] happens and then "aliens" are being blamed and that is how the NWO is started ? Just a thought.

There will be no humans left on this earth when Jesus returns to gather his saints:

Saved and lost. The 1000 year reign of Christ is in Heaven, not Earth [wicked/lost are dead and in the graves at this time]. The reign of for ever and ever will be upon the Earth made new after the 1000 years [and there is no wicked left, having been annihilated in the second death/lake of fire].

Here are the texts of Revelation 20:1-6 KJB cited:

Revelation 20:1 KJB - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 KJB - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 KJB - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 KJB - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 KJB - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 KJB - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7 KJB - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Please notice, that in these texts [Revelation 20:1-6 KJB], there is no where written that either Jesus, or the “saints” (or “satan” for that matter), shall “reign upon the earth” for 1,000 years, but simply says [vss. 4,6] that Jesus and the saints reigned “a thousand years”. The location of this 1,000 reign is nowhere stated to be “upon the earth” in these, or any passages of scripture [KJB]. One should very carefully look for themselves. It also is very clearly written that “satan” himself was not reigning during this “thousand years”, but is “bound” and “shut … up” with a “seal” placed “upon him”.

The phrase “the day of the Lord” [Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Lamentations 2:22; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31, 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,8,14,18, 2:2,3; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10 KJB], is a direct reference to the “thousand years” [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7 KJB, see also Isaiah 24:22 KJB, “many days”], which is the final “day”, the 7th day – the great Sabbath, of the great week “with the Lord” [2 Peter 3:8 KJB].

The second Advent of Jesus Christ, wherein the “saints” are “caught up together … in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 20:1-6 KJB] is but the beginning of the “thousand years” or “the day of the Lord”, while the third Advent of Jesus Christ [Zechariah 14:1-21; Revelation 20:7-10 KJB] is the ending of the “thousand years” or “the day of the Lord”, after which the finally impenitent shall be utterly destroyed in the second death, and finally the “New Heavens” and the “New Earth” are recreated [Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 KJB].

Revelation 19-22 KJB, is parallel to Isaiah 24 KJB, and so also connected to Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32 KJB.

The location of this “reign” of Jesus and the saints, for “a thousand years” is never said to be on the plague wracked, utterly sin polluted and totally cursed and devastated “earth”, wherein even the upper heaven [atmosphere] is burned away by the second Advent [Genesis 3:17, 5:29, 8:21; Isaiah 34:4; 2 Peter 3:10-12; Revelation 6:14; 11:19, 15:1,6,8, 16:9,17-21, 18:4,8 21:9, 22:18 KJB]. So likewise for the passages of “Isaiah 2, 11, 65; Amos 9; Zechariah 14”. Read prayerfully and carefully for oneself. Where then is the “thousand year” reign of Jesus and the saints to be? It is to be in Heaven, the “third” [2 Corinthians 12:2 KJB].

The “reign upon the earth” comes after 1,000 years [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7 KJB], for the “saints” must be both resurrected and/or translated, glorified, and brought back to Heaven [John 14:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 4:17, etc KJB] at the Second Advent and First Great Resurrection, to “reign” in Heaven, for 1,000 years [Revelation 20:4,5a,6 KJB] going over the record books of the lost [1 Corinthians 6:2,3 KJB]:

[1] The “thousand years” reign “in Heaven” [Psalms 50:5; Matthew 5:3,8,10,12, 6:20, 13:30, 24:31; Mark 10:21, 13:27; Luke 6:23, 18:22, 23:43; John 14:2-3, 17:24; Colossians 1:5; Hebrews 10:34; 1 Peter 1:4; Revelation 7:9, 14:3, 19:1 KJB; “Paradise”, Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7 KJB] with Christ Jesus [1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 20:6 KJB] and

[2] The “reign on earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth; 2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; Revelation 21:1 KJB] that lasts “forever and ever” [Revelation 5:10 KJB; “meek inherit earth” [“made new”, not this sin polluted Earth], Psalms 37:9,11,34; Proverbs 11:31; Isaiah 25:8, 65:21; Daniel 7:27; Matthew 5:5; Revelation 5:10 KJB].

As for the word "bottomless pit", as found in the GNT TR of Revelation 9:1,2,11, 11:7, 17:8, 20:1, it is the Koine Greek "αβυσσου" [abussou, or abyssou], in GNT TR of Revelation 20:3, it is again "αβυσσον" [abusson, or abysson], which in the transliterated English is the word "abyss", which according to the first use in Genesis, means the "deep", being in "darkness", and "without form and void [empty of/having no life]", thus is associated with a dark chaotic wilderness/desert [water or earth], symbolic of death/no life.

I can cite both the KJB, GNT-TR and so called LXX sources on that word as necessary. The earth will be a desolate wilderness [Isaiah 34:13 KJB] for "dragons" [symbol of the devil] and "owls" [unclean night birds, symbolic of fallen angels]

Jeremiah 4:23-28, Jeremiah 25:15-38; Zephaniah 1:2-3,14-18; Isaiah 2:6-22; Isaiah 11:4; Isaiah 24:1-6,17-22; Isaiah 34:1-17, etc KJB

Presently, He reigns from the Throne of Grace, over the Kingdom of Grace [Heart]:

Hebrews 4:16 KJB - Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Yet, there is a time, coming, when He will reign upon the Throne of His glory:

Matthew 19:28 KJB - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 25:31 KJB - When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

So, coming to the texts:

1 Corinthians 15:20 KJB - But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1 Corinthians 15:21 KJB - For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:22 KJB - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:23 KJB - But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1 Corinthians 15:24 KJB - Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:25 KJB - For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

1 Corinthians 15:26 KJB - The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

These passages speak of the saved and the lost. Not two folds of good sheep. It speaks of two groups alright, the "sheep [spiritual Israel, Jews/Gentiles, spiritually circumcised of heart]" and 'sheep of the devil' [lost/enemies of the cross of Christ spiritually UN-circumcised of heart] [John 10:26 KJB - But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.]

Ezekiel 34:17 KJB - And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.

Matthew 25:32 KJB - And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:33 KJB - And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Satan is the chief "goat" - Leviticus 16:20-22; Revelation 20:1-3 KJB.

The7thColporteur · May 17, 2018

Again:

Revelation 20:1 KJB - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Jesus Christ, the Strong man [Luke 11:22; Leviticus 16:20-22 KJB] comes down [does not touch the sin polluted earth, but remains above it], see Revelation 19-22 KJB, is parallel to Isaiah 24 KJB, and so also connected to Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32 KJB. [since devils can break physical chains, Mark 5:3,4; Luke 8:29, but not the chains of circumstances that God will lay upon them]

Revelation 20:2 KJB - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Satan is bound on earth which God will have made desolate by the destruction of the 7 last plagues, mighty earthquake, etc. and the Sun and moon will have been moved [shaken] out of their places: Jeremiah 4:23-28, Jeremiah 25:15-38; Zephaniah 1:2-3,14-18; Isaiah 2:6-22; Isaiah 11:4; Isaiah 24:1-6,17-22; Isaiah 34:1-17, etc KJB

All the wicked who are alive at Jesus' coming are slain by that brightness of His own glory, coming in His Father's glory and in the glory of all the holy angels of heaven:

2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJB - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Satan, having no more mankind to tempt [until after the 1,000 years, when all the wicked are resurrected [Revelation 20:7-9 KJB]] is in this 'bound' [Psalms 73:6; Lamentation 3:7 KJB] condition for 1,000 years to consider the work. He is mandated to sabbath in that sense, so that the land of sin may rest, as it had in the days of Babylon, when Israel sinned.

The saints are caught up to meet Christ Jesus, and leave this brokoen world, for 1000 years:

1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJB - For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJB - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJB - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The first Great resurrection [taking place after the special resurrection], which is only composed of saints, takes place at Jesus second Advent, which begins the 1,000 years. See Revelation 20:4; Daniel 7:22b KJB

Revelation 20:3 KJB - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan and his angels are thus stuck on this deslate earth for 1000 years in darkness [sun and moon having been moved by the shaking of the heavens].

Satan cannot deceive any of the nations, for the righteous nations left with Christ Jesus [for 1000 years, entering into the judgment of the wicked angels, world; Psalms 149:1-9; 1 Corinthians 6:2,3 KJB, etc], and all the wicked nations are slain by the brightness of Jesus coming. Isaiah 24:3-12,19-21, etc KJB; etc.

Satan will deceive again those wicked nations after the 1000 years [the "day" of the LORD; Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8 KJB], when they are resurrected to face the great white throne judgment, see Revelation 20:7-9;

Isaiah 24:22 KJB - And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

Revelation 20:4 KJB - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Daniel 7:22 KJB - Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation is drawing from Daniel, and notice, that after the saints are in Heaven, they have judgment handed to them for 1000 years; Psalms 149:1-9; 1 Corinthians 6:2,3 KJB.

These live and reign with Christ in Heaven [John 14:1-3 KJB, etc] for 1000 years. All of the wicked [except for satan and his angels] are dead on earth.

"The time came" in Daniel 7:22, is the end of the 1000 years, when the Saints will inherit the earth made new, after the complete eradication of all wicked, including satan and his angels. Revelation 20:9-10,13-15 KJB.

Revelation 20:5 KJB - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Notice the connection in Revelation 20:4 KJB, to those who were "slain" and yet "lived" and then "reigned". How could they except that there was, as mentioned, a Great resurrection? That is the First resurrection [of the Just/Life] as it is written:

John 5:29 KJB - And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Notice that the "rest of the dead", are the wicked. They remain dead until after the 1000 years, as Isaiah 24:22 "after many days" they shall be "visited". This is the 3rd Advent spoken of in Zechariah 14:4, etc.

Revelation 20:6 KJB - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The7thColporteur · May 17, 2018

... Afterwards, then follows several signs in the earth/heaven itself, namely, "shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven ...", which is paralleled in several other verses, namely:

[1,290, AD 508 unto AD 1798]
Daniel 12:11 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

[1,335, AD 508 unto AD 1843/44]
Daniel 12:12 KJB - "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."
Revelation 14:13 KJB - "... Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth ..."

[70 Weeks, 62 + 7 + 1 [1/2 + 1/2], 457 BC unto AD 27 [Baptism], unto AD 31 [Cross], unto AD 34 [Stephen], then the remaining 1810, unto AD 1843/44]
Daniel 9:24-27 KJB - Whole ...

[5 Anti-typical feast Months, AD 31-100, unto AD 1833/34, Day of Trumpets, from Pentecost; Leviticus 23; Woe 1, Woe 2 and Woe 3, encomapssing the whole 'Exodus', 'Wilderness' unto 'Canaan']
Revelation 9:5 KJB - "... five months ..."
Revelation 9:6 KJB - "... those days ..."
Revelation 9:10 KJB - "... five months ..."

[1,260, 42 months, time, times and 1/2 time; AD 538 unto AD 1798]
Daniel 7:25 KJB - "... a time and times and the dividing of time." ["wear out the saints"]
Daniel 12:7 KJB - "... a time, times, and a half ..." ["scatter the power of the holy people"]
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... the tribulation of those days ..." [reference to Daniel]
Mark 13:24 KJB - "...that tribulation ..." [reference to Daniel]
Luke 21:24 KJB - "... the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
Revelation 6:11 KJB - "... killed as they were ..." [two groups, past and future, see Rev. 20:4 KJB]
Revelation 11:2 KJB - "... given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."
Revelation 11:3 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threscroe days ..."
Revelation 12:6 KJB - "... a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
Revelation 12:14 KJB - "... a time, and times, and a half a time ..." ["persecuted", see vs 13]
Revelation 13:5 KJB - " ... forty and two months." ["power" was given to "him" [1st [sea] Beast, Rev. 13]]

[Great Lisbon Earthquake, AD 1755, November 1]
Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... a great earthquake ..."

[Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19; Sun]
Joel 2:10 KJB - "... the sun ... shall be dark ..."
Joel 2:31 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... shall the sun be darkened ..."
Mark 13:24 KJB - "... the sun shall be darkened ..."
Luke 21:25 KJB - "And there shall be signs in the sun ..."
Acts 2:20 KJB - "The sun shall be turned into darkness ..."
Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair ..."

[Great Dark Day, AD 1780, May 19; Moon]
Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the moon shall be dark ..."
Joel 2:31 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before the great and terrible day of the LORD come]
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light ..."
Mark 13:24 KJB - "... and the moon shall not give her light,"
Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the moon ..."
Acts 2:20 KJB - "... and the moon into blood ..." [before that great and notable day of the Lord come]]
Revelation 6:12 KJB - "... and the moon became as blood;"

[Reign of Terror, French Revolution, AD 1793 unto AD 1797/8; 'spiritually Egypt and Sodom']
Revelation 11:9 KJB - "... three days and an half ..."
Revelation 11:11 KJB - "... after three days and a half ..."

[Great Leonid Meteor Shower, AD 1833, November 13]
Matthew 24:29 KJB - "... and the stars shall fall from heaven ..."
Mark 13:25 KJB - "And the stars of heaven shall fall ..."
Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and in the stars ..."
Revelation 6:13 KJB - "And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth ..."

[Day of Atonement, AD 1844, October 22; 2,300 began in 457 BC, Ezra 7, Daniel 9, etc]
Daniel 8:14 KJB - "... Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
Revelation 9:15 KJB - "... prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year ..." [Rev. 14:6-7; Leviticus 23:26-32; 1 Kings 8:2; Daniel 8:13,14,26, etc]
Revelation 10:6 KJB - "... that there should be time no longer ..." [no more prophetic time as a test]

Luke 21:25 KJB - "... and upon earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;"

Isaiah 13:7 KJB - "Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:"
Isaiah 13:8 KJB - "And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrow shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth ..."
Luke 21:26 KJB - "Men's heart's failing them from fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth ..."

Isaiah 13:10 KJB - "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."
Joel 2:10 KJB - "... and the stars shall withdraw their shining:"
Joel 3:15 KJB - "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."

[The Close of probation for mankind in receiving and assimilating the Everlasting Gospel]
Daniel 12:1 KJB -"And at that time shall Michael stand up ... there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time ..."
Luke 13:25 KJB - "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without ..."
Revelation 10:7 KJB - "In the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished ..."
Revelation 22:11 KJB - "He that is unjust, let him be unjest still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."

[7 Last plagues, Wrath of God poured out]
Job 14:13 KJB - "... thy wrath ..."
Revelation 11:18 KJB - "... and thy wrath is come ..." [Revelation 16:2-17 KJB]

Jeremiah 25:30 KJB - "... The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth."
Joel 2:11 KJB - "And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army ..."
Joel 3:16 KJB - "The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, utter his voice from Jerusalem ..." [New Jerusalem in Heaven]

We can know the events in their order:

Matthew 24:32 KJB - Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Matthew 24:33 KJB - So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Matthew 24:34 KJB - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What generation? The last generation, that has seen all those things, most of which have already happened.

The voice of the Father, announcing the day and hour after probation has closed:

5. Voice of God announcing the hour; Jeremiah 25:30; Joel 2:11, 3:16; Amos 1:2; Job 40:9; Psalms 18:13, 77:18, 104:7; 1 Samuel 2:10; 2 Samuel 22:14; Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32; John 12:29; 2 Peter 1:17-18; Revelation 14:2; &c

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"... The voice of God is heard from heaven, declaring the day and hour of Jesus’ coming, and delivering the everlasting covenant to His people. Like peals of loudest thunder His words roll through the earth. The Israel of God stand listening, with their eyes fixed upward. Their countenances are lighted up with His glory, and shine as did the face of Moses when he came down from Sinai. The wicked cannot look upon them. And when the blessing is pronounced on those who have honored God by keeping His Sabbath holy, there is a mighty shout of victory. ..." - Ellen G. White Writings

Joel 3:16 KJB - "... and the heavens and the earth shall shake ..."
Mark 13:25 KJB - "... and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken."
Luke 21:26 KJB - "... for the powers of heaven shall be shaken."
Hebrews 12:26 KJB - "... I shake not the earth only, but also heaven:"

1 Kings 18:44 KJB - "... ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand ..."
Matthew 24:30 KJB - "And then shall the appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ..."

Revelation 6:14 KJB - "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together ..."

Revelation 16:18 KJB - "... a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great."

Revelation 6:14 KJB - "... and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
Revelation 16:20 KJB - "And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

Matthew 24:30 KJB - "... and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
Mark 13:26 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory."
Luke 21:27 KJB - "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and glory."
Revelation 6:15 KJB - "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;"

For more on Prophecy Download these two:

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GUANO · May 17, 2018

Whether or not living creatures exist on other planets is no consequence to the Christian. We should expect that life exists elsewhere---the only note that scripture has on the subject is a good one---It says the spirits born on earth are bound to earth and exist only on earth and will never leave the earth but instead be destroyed... What are these earth-bound spirits? Our creations, our sin, our lies, our kingdoms, our institutions. These things are promised never to leave the earth but to die here (thank God). If there are creatures out there as intelligent, or more so than us, they would leave us alone for sure, especially if their race has either never fallen or was previously redeemed... If you are a redeemed creature, a Son of God, there is no need for spaceships, governments, weapons, food, or anything of that nature...

War will send us back to the stone age again before we meet any "aliens"...

The7thColporteur · May 17, 2018

drjean said:
There have been many ideas by those who "know" aliens are real, and here, and their eventual purpose...

THIS thread is about what will you say to other Christians in warning or ? and what will you say to the lost who are either scared or embrace the concept?

[1] They "know" no such thing. They go by 'experience', which is deceptive, rather than God's word, and thus have believed a lie.

Beware of what certain people proclaim, and consider

N.A.S.A. - Not Always Scientifically Accurate
N.A.S.A. - Never A Straight Answer
N.A.S.A. - National Academy of Space Actors
N.A.S.A. - Not Anything, Simply Aether,
N.A.S.A. - Neither Aerospace, Sadly, Astro-NOTS!
N.A.S.A. - Need Another Seven Assumptions
N.A.S.A. - Never Accept the Serpents Assertions.

Satan is trapped here [as is mankind, and the only way out is Christ Jesus], unable to leave [1 Timothy 6:7; Revelation 12:8-13; Romans 5:6 [combined with Revelation 12:10]; 2 Corinthians 4:4 KJB [this world only and no other worldly body in the heavens] KJB].

Do not let N.A.S.A [etc] lie to you. Mankind [as in men themselves] never set foot upon the moon [and there is no rover on mars], the Bible says so. Though satan would love for mankind to be able to leave, and is working as hard as he can so that it could happen, so that he would conduct his warfare again in Heaven, by spreading fallen mankind and sin all over the sinless universe, and the unfallen worlds, he is limited. He presents a false front, he is attempting a counterfeit ladder to Heaven [a siege-tower of Babel, climbing up some other way, than the Way] through the so-called space program.

[2] I will share the truth from God's word with those, even as already done in this very thread, and so it is left to the persons themselves to either believe God's word, or believe the word of fallen men and angels.

PaulCyp1 · May 17, 2018

There are billions of planets. Really, what are the chances that God created intelligent beings on just one of them?

The7thColporteur · May 17, 2018

PaulCyp1 said:
There are billions of planets. Really, what are the chances that God created intelligent beings on just one of them?

You need to go back and read the thread. There are unfallen beings on unfallen worlds, but they do not come here as per scripture [KJB]; only Jesus [Great Physician] and the angels of Heaven [ministering 'nurses'].

GingerBeer · May 17, 2018

I'll break out my aluminium foil hat and hide under the bed :swoon:

drjean · May 17, 2018

A list of already 4000 people who claim to have been abducted is growing; they are in line for DNA testing. Supposedly Only about 100 have been tested, but of those the vast majority of them have a change in their DNA--they all have the same change, a "marker" is what it's called, a change in their very DNA. I suspect those who do not have it are not telling the whole truth about their "abduction". How would you explain away this scientific data, for surely none of us can change our DNA with a specific marker to match others who have also done it? Many of those who claim "abduction" have special abilities especially in math and schematics when they failed basic geometry, say, in high school.

I'm not asking only what the Bible says, specifically, I'm asking what YOU will share from God's Word about this information? How will you explain it in line with the end times, or will you?

How does one explain away the "miracle of Fatima" when those who were flown over (at about 100' up) and experienced radiation poisoning burns and hair loss, in Portugal which had not seen any flying craft before in history (the war raged but they were not involved, there were no aircraft in the country and nor had their been)? They may have seen what Ezekiel called "a wheel within a wheel". The accounts show what they say was the sun, shining so brightly (but of course it was not as shown in pictures) and then a small silver shiny object dropped out of it and flew over a strip of the crowd.

Will you say they are angels?
Will you follow what they want?
Will you warn others against the new people?
Will you give up technology when you realize it may link you to them? (Wow just out--- Alexa, Siri, and Advantage all can be spoken to by creators---and we cannot hear what they are telling them---open our doors? turn off the alarms? NWO abounds folks.)

God tells us to be also ready to give an answer, always!

drjean · May 17, 2018

PaulCyp1 said:
There are billions of planets. Really, what are the chances that God created intelligent beings on just one of them?

I cannot prove this point either way, but what I DO know is God said, The WHOLE creation groans and travails together"... to me this means that no matter where you live, you must accept Jesus for salvation.

So will you befriend them?

Shek · May 17, 2018

drjean said:
Word "on the street" is that the US Government is preparing civilians for a full disclosure that not only are aliens real but that they have been assisting with advanced technology since Roswell.

Not since Roswell.

Since the 3rd Reich in the late 30's.

Disclosure isn't gonna happen until they can no longer keep it a secret.

There's already absolute proof on the net, you just have to know what to look for and where to look for it.

UFO's

This link will show you what you'll want to see.

drjean · May 17, 2018

I believe so regarding age old elements--- the Mayans, the Egyptians to name 2 but the USA... and it's UFOs...

I know that when Bill Clinton was campaigning he promised he would share the truth with the people if elected. But then, they wouldn't even brief him on it once in office---because he would disclose the secrets?

BUT with the government just now declassifying these 3 recent videos... and of course France years ago opened all it's data....rather hard to deny fully... but our government... and yes, they have admitted that it's not an "if" there are aliens, but that they are probably here living among us... that's new... (MSM didn't hardly cover any of this over this last year.) Did they just rename SETI? or did I dream that? lol

So how do you merge this info with your Christian beliefs? (Do SDA have studies on this topic?)

TheSeeker2014 · May 17, 2018

my thoughts. people can think whatever about them.

i do sincerely believe what the world calls "aliens" are simply angels and fallen angels. (if angels they will admit their allegiance to Christ)
also i think Christians will take the book of Jude more seriously after aliens being disclosed to the public. I also think they will also take Genesis 6 and 1 Peter 3 more seriously and the book of enoch.

my reaction of the disclosure of aliens... well i kinda already came to terms they already exist.

drjean · May 17, 2018

A disclosure to come, by the US Government, would be new.

Shek · May 17, 2018

drjean said:
A disclosure to come, by the US Government, would be new.

If you're referencing a Presidential disclosure, then yes...that would be an event that has yet to happen.

Jack Kennedy was going to be the first, but we all know what happened to him.

The7thColporteur · May 17, 2018

drjean said:
...How does one explain away the "miracle of Fatima" ...

I was born into Roman Catholicism, and raised as such for many years, and briefly worked for a special 'ministry' therein dealing with Catholicism's 'miracles', as noted by EWTN. You do not have the facts straight. Additionally, it is easily explained by the available evidences now collected from the original source material, witnesses, etc, and it was a devilish deception; here are a few examples:

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