LDS Mormons and the Bible

TheBibleIsTruth

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Can you explain to me how that is? I did give Biblical reference to my statements. Let us all do our best to glorify God.

did you know that when Jesus was a child, he made clay birds, and when he threw them up in the air, they flew away? And, later in life, He visited India?
 
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Firstly, original sin is very much taught in the Bible, which means that ALL humans from conception have a sinful human nature. No one is born "sinless". You mention Jesus Christ. Matthew 1:16-18, and Luke 1:35, show that The Holy Spirit ensured that Jesus Christ, though He derived His human nature from Mary, who was a sinner, was sinless from conception. Luke 1:47 says that Mary rejoiced in God her "Saviour", which means she was a sinner.

Secondly, there is not a single Scripture that says God the Father has, or had, a "body of flesh and bones". It does NOT exist.

Thirdly, there is NO Bible verse that says there was darkness for three DAYS, at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. the Gospels very clear state, three HOURS.

Fourthly, Jesus NEVER went to America. This is pure fancy theology!
Jesus was born sinless (no original sin) to Mary. Catholics believe that Mary was sinless also (no original sin). Is original sin mentioned in the Bible?:
(New Testament | John 9:1 - 3)

1 AND as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

You do believe that Jesus Christ has a body and you do believe He is God. Do you believe He and the Father are of one substance?

While there was three hours of darkness in Jerusalem, there was three days of darkness in the Americas.

Why do suppose that Jesus can not go to America? I believe that Jesus can go where ever He wants to go.

Jesus wants us to keep the commandments.
 
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did you know that when Jesus was a child, he made clay birds, and when he threw them up in the air, they flew away? And, later in life, He visited India?
I did hear about the first, but I didn't know He visited India.
 
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The Old Testament was fully accepted as 24 Books by Jesus Christ, and no others are accepted. the New Testament was fully accepted by the whole Church in A.D. 367, when Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, listed the 27 Books in his Easter letter. The greater majority of Christian Churches accept the 27 Books as closed, though a few for theological purposes don't.
As you stated, the OT Canon was identified by Jesus (Luke 24:44) and the NT Canon can be attributed to the apostles:
  • who themselves wrote at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21)
  • The apostles were aware of each other’s writings (2 Peter 3:15-16)
  • looked for Christians to value those writings as God’s word (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27)
  • The apostles alerted Christians to beware of writings that were purported to be from God but were not (2 Thessalonians 2:1-2; 3:17; 1 John 4:1)
More than anything, it was the internal testimony of the New Testament writings that convinced Christians which books God had written through people (John 6:63; Hebrews 4:12).
 
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I did hear about the first, but I didn't know He visited India.

the point I am making with my references to Jesus, is that they are not contained in the Canonical Scriptures, but writings that are works of pure fiction. Yet there are some who think both to be "inspired" bu God in some way. BTW, do you accept any of the Books in the New Testament as the Inspired, Infallible Word of God?
 
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As you stated, the OT Canon was identified by Jesus (Luke 24:44) and the NT Canon can be attributed to the apostles:
  • who themselves wrote at the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21)
  • The apostles were aware of each other’s writings (2 Peter 3:15-16)
  • looked for Christians to value those writings as God’s word (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27)
  • The apostles alerted Christians to beware of writings that were purported to be from God but were not (2 Thessalonians 2:1-2; 3:17; 1 John 4:1)
More than anything, it was the internal testimony of the New Testament writings that convinced Christians which books God had written through people (John 6:63; Hebrews 4:12).

We also have the Testimony of Jesus in Luke 11:51, "from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be required of this generation.". Where Abel the first Martyr in recorded in the First Book of the OT, Genesis, and Zechariah, the last Martyr, in the last Book of the Jewish Canon of the OT, 2 Chronicles 24:20-21. Showing that the Greek OT, the Septuagint (LXX) was not used by Jesus or the writers of the NT, as this version does not end with 2 Chronicles; but the Hebrew text closely underlying the LXX, is what is quoted in the NT.

And in 1 Timothy 5:18 Paul says, "For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward", where "Scripture" is used for the quote from Deuteronomy 25:4, and Luke 10:7.
 
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The Old Testament was fully accepted as 24 Books by Jesus Christ, and no others are accepted. the New Testament was fully accepted by the whole Church in A.D. 367, when Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, listed the 27 Books in his Easter letter. The greater majority of Christian Churches accept the 27 Books as closed, though a few for theological purposes don't.

So you're pointing to past practice instead of the Bible itself?
 
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the point I am making with my references to Jesus, is that they are not contained in the Canonical Scriptures, but writings that are works of pure fiction. Yet there are some who think both to be "inspired" bu God in some way. BTW, do you accept any of the Books in the New Testament as the Inspired, Infallible Word of God?
All of the books in the New Testament are the inspired word of God. That being said there are some mistakes that have been pointed out.
 
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All of the books in the New Testament are the inspired word of God. That being said there are some mistakes that have been pointed out.

What is the correct rendering of Romans 8:30 ???
 
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What is the correct rendering of Romans 8:30 ???
(JST | Romans 8:29 - 30)

29. For him whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to his own image, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30. Moreover, him whom he did predestinate, him he also called; and him whom he called, him he also sanctified; and him whom he sanctified, him he also glorified.
(New Testament | Romans 8:29 - 30)

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
 
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All of the books in the New Testament are the inspired word of God. That being said there are some mistakes that have been pointed out.

Ok. you accept the 27 Books of the New Testament as the Inspired Word of Almighty God, which I assume to also accept to be completely Infallible and Inerrant? You speak of mistakes, do you mean in the Inspired New Testament? Can you give a few examples? Can I ask what do you think about the Revelation of Peter (besides that of John in the NT), and the Book of Wisdom of Solomon, also being included in the New Testament? Are these two writings also "Inspired", like the 27 Books? Or, the book, the Shepherd of Hermas? Should these three be accepted into the NT Canon?
 
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(JST | Romans 8:29 - 30)

29. For him whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to his own image, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30. Moreover, him whom he did predestinate, him he also called; and him whom he called, him he also sanctified; and him whom he sanctified, him he also glorified.
(New Testament | Romans 8:29 - 30)

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

So which is it? They are quite different.

The JST bends the text to fit Mormonism.
 
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So which is it? They are quite different.

The JST bends the text to fit Mormonism.

I think we have several times said the JST is more of a commentary, if you are going to go word for word Greek the KJV is probably more correct.
 
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