How Many NWO Infiltrators Are Here?

Mel2020 · May 12, 2018

faroukfarouk said:
PS:
It's good to remember that the church's priority is the Gospel. We don't need to believe the conspiracy stuff, like you say.

True, but being aware of such things is also a smart thing to do, hence why I posted the below scripture in the end:

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

Dave G. · May 12, 2018

I had a personal revelation some time ago, I believe it was from the Lord Himself and said to keep my eye on Jesus Christ. Because I believe in this time even the tried and true are open to be deceived. I'll say it again, don't get caught in rabbit trails of NWO. Sure be aware but be more aware of the person of Jesus Christ and His Spirit.

Jipsah · May 13, 2018

Also taught the church had failed its mandate from God and because of that Christ could not return.

Proving right there that he was a nincompoop. Anything that assumes God's inability to do anything is absurd on its face. Like the people who say "God can't lie". Sounds all good and holy and whatnot, but it's obvious nonsense. We believe that God does not lie, but He certainly could if He were so inclined. The people who say, for whatever reason, that our Lord cannot return until thus and so are very much in error. He can and will return when it is His good pleasure to do so, punto, period, full stop.

Taught Nero was the antichrist of revelation

In all probability he was. The Revelator assumed that the people to whom his letter was directed would know who the cryptic "666" referred to. And Nero fulfilled the role of the Beast quite nicely, even to the denying of the right to buy and sell to those who refused to do sacrifice to his image.

All of the Revelation fulfilled? Nah, New Jerusalem not here yet, for instance. But lots of it certainly are. Again, you have to pay attention to the immediate audience St. John was addressing. To assume that everything in Revelation is meaningless until the Last Days is silly.

Jipsah · May 13, 2018

Mel2020 said:
True. What’s interesting is that I read a book called “The 13 Bloodlines of Illuminati” by Fritz Springmeier and he mentions that all the US Presidents are related to one another

Which is, of course, nonsense.

Where I live, they’re slowly encouraging people to become more electronic in the system of transactions online or purchases via counters. They want to encourage people to use the “chip” rather than cash money.

The government hates cash because they can't control it. They want to be able to see - and tax - every transaction that takes place. Cash doesn't allow them to do that.

Jipsah · May 13, 2018

Davy said:
Being able to recognize this one-world movement, whether it be called dominionism, one-world government, NWO, or whatever, and its Interfaith joining, recognizing it from Bible prophecy is a "strong meat" matter.

It's more of a vivid imagination matter. End Times arglebargle peddled as fact edifies no one, and leads many astray. Our Lord will return when it is His good pleasure. We are to be ready when He comes, and ready to die if He doesn't come in our allotted lifespan. That's the end of the matter. All the stuff with on world governments and one world churches and secret cabals and flying saucers and suchlike dreck simply keep our attention turned away from Christ and toward the stuff we make up and try to persuade ourselves come from Scripture.

We'd be a lot better served to say, with St. Paul: "I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." Our focus needs to be on Him, and not ancillary stuff about when He'll return and what the world will look like when He does. Eyes on the prize, right?

Will some call it just another sink into conspiracy theories? Yes, of course, some will call it that, especially those still on the 'milk' of God's Word.

Some indulge a little too freely in the whiskey of vain imaginings, and who attach an implicit "thus saith the Lord" to their own made up notions. We have endless examples of that in the myriad date-setters over the millennia who have known precisely when the Lord would return, and all of whom have been dead wrong.

The Lord will come in His time, not in ours. We're to be ready. That's the long and the short of it.

it is much easier for those who haven't done their homework, or for those that God has not given the urge to study deeper, to just say it's all a crock, and then go on off back to their milk bottle.

When the "deeper study" results, as is too often the case with End Times buffs, in finding stuff in Scripture that it in no ways says, then it would have been well for those folks to have stuck to the milk awhile longer. Finding things in Scripture that aren't there is the basis for every heresy that has beset the Church.

faroukfarouk · May 13, 2018

Mel2020 said:
True, but being aware of such things is also a smart thing to do, hence why I posted the below scripture in the end:

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

Good verses!

Davy · May 14, 2018

Jipsah said:
It's more of a vivid imagination matter. End Times arglebargle peddled as fact edifies no one, and leads many astray. Our Lord will return when it is His good pleasure. We are to be ready when He comes, and ready to die if He doesn't come in our allotted lifespan. That's the end of the matter. All the stuff with on world governments and one world churches and secret cabals and flying saucers and suchlike dreck simply keep our attention turned away from Christ and toward the stuff we make up and try to persuade ourselves come from Scripture.

That's a show of ignorance. My Lord Jesus Christ revealed the secret workings of the coming "one world government" (their words, not mine) in His Revelation through John. So it is... a Message from Him to His Church about the end of this world, and is given to so we would not be deceived. So if you don't care to listen to Him on the matter, that's your choice. But acting like His Message on that is useless reveals to everyone reading your posts exactly who's side you are on.

faroukfarouk · May 15, 2018

@Mel2020 : PS: I love John's First Epistle!

Jipsah · May 15, 2018

Davy said:
That's a show of ignorance.
My Lord Jesus Christ revealed the secret workings of the coming "one world government" (their words, not mine) in His Revelation through John.

Baloney. You're taking your own notions of what our Lord meant as equivalent to what He said. That's a crock, He said nothing of secret working of a one world gov't, however much you believe that's what He really meant. End Times buffs commonly have difficulty distinguishing what our Lord said with what their hand-wrought doctrine dictates that He must have really meant, which is a great pity, because it leads them to act as though their doctrine itself was holy writ. It isn't, not by a long shot.

Message from Him to His Church about the end of this world, and is given to so we would not be deceived.

So the letter was never intended to mean anything to the people to whom it was actually sent, right? Or to anyone else who lived and died centuries before His return, correct? So when the original recipients of the Revelation read it, not only could those who had wisdom not know to whom the number of the beast referred, but it's been meaningless to everyone since then, as well (except maybe us), is that your belief? Nonsense, says I.

So if you don't care to listen to Him

I don't care to listen to jackdaws who claim that what they have decided that our Lord really meant is equivalent to what He said. You attach "thus saith the Lord" to your opinions, but you'll forgive me if I don't set as much store by your interpretations as you do. Especially as your lot has been telling everyone that The End Is Near, often with bogus dates and schedules attached, for the last, oh, at least the last 1000 years, and have been dead, solid, absolutely, unequivocally, and unarguably wrong each and every time. And I'm supposed to accept that as the authoritative, and, in fact, the Word of the Lord? Sorry, I reckon I'll pass.

The Lord will return when it is His good pleasure, some time between right now, and a zillion years from now. We're to be ready, whenever it is. Your made-up End Times silliness edifies no one, and makes Christians look goofy to unbelievers.

But acting like His Message on that is useless reveals to everyone reading your posts exactly who's side you are on.

Not the side of those who propagate their own baseless ideas as though they were God breathed, that much is certain.

claninja · May 16, 2018

Davy said:
My Lord Jesus Christ revealed the secret workings of the coming "one world government" (their words, not mine) in His Revelation through John. So it is...

1.)Babylon was a one world government
Daniel 2:37-38
Your Majesty, you are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; in your hands he has placed ALL MANKIND and the beasts of the field and the birds in the sky. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them ALL. You are that head of gold.
2.)Persia was a one world government
Daniel 8:4 watched the ram as it charged toward the west and the north and the south. No animal could stand against it, and none could rescue from its power. It did as it pleased and became great.
3.)Greece was a one world government
Dane 2: 93 Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the WHOLE EARTH
4.)Rome was a one world government
Daniel 7:23 He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the WHOLE EARTH, trampling it down and crushing it.

Is there a 5th one world power predicted in the Bible before the coming of the kingdom of God?

No, only 4. Jesus is the rock not cut by human hands.
Daniel 2:44 In the time of those kings (4th kingdom: Rome), the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people.

Davy · May 17, 2018

claninja said:
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Is there a 5th one world power predicted in the Bible before the coming of the kingdom of God?

No, only 4. Jesus is the rock not cut by human hands.
Daniel 2:44 In the time of those kings (4th kingdom: Rome), the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people.

There is to be a 5th one world power, you simply missed it from that Daniel 2 chapter:

Dan 2:32-33
32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
KJV

1. head of gold = Babylon
2. breast & arms of silver = Medo/Persia
3. belly & thighs of brass = Grecia
4. legs of iron = pagan Rome
5. feet of part iron & clay = the final Rev.13 one world beast kingdom of the Antichrist

That's 5, not 4.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron (1), the clay (2), the brass (3), the silver (4), and the gold (5), broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That stone is to be Christ Jesus when He returns in the future.

All 5 pieces of the beast statue are 'together'... when the stone will come to smite it upon its feet, and the whole comes tumbling down.

That last one of the feet of clay mixed with iron represents a one-world beast system for the end that will literally encompass the whole earth, and not just parts of it like the previous beast systems. It means all those previous beast systems will be revived again for the end, and joined together under one system.

claninja · May 17, 2018

Davy said:
There is to be a 5th one world power, you simply missed it from that Daniel 2 chapter:

Dan 2:32-33
32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
KJV

The feet are not called a ‘fifth kingdom’ or ‘another kingdom’

The feet have iron in them, which means they are from/ a part of the 4th kingdom. If the feet were only clay, then you would have a better argument.

The Roman republic was responsible for most of Rome’s expansion. The Roman republic had no kings. Around 44bc to 27bc, the Roman republic became the Roman Empire, this is when Rome had emperors (kings).

Head of Gold=Lion=Babylon

Chest/arms silver =bear =persia/Medes

Belly/thighs bronze = leopard =Greece

Legs of iron/feet of iron clay =beast and horns = Rome (republic and empire)

Davy said:
That stone is to be Christ Jesus when He returns in the future.

Christ came during the Roman Empire, just as predicted in Daniel

20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 11:20 - Bible Gateway passage: Luke 11:20 - English Standard Version

If, as you say, the feet are a 5th kingdom, where is the 5th animal in Daniel 7? And why didn’t the final kingdom come right after the Roman Empire?

claninja · May 17, 2018

Davy said:
All 5 pieces of the beast statue are 'together'... when the stone will come to smite it upon its feet, and the whole comes tumbling down.

The problem is, scripture doesn’t say that. It does, however, give the rise of earthly kingdom after earthly kingdom sequentially, until the coming of the kingdom of God (which is not of this world) which would be during the kings that came from the 4th beast/feet of iron and clay

Davy · May 18, 2018

claninja said:
The feet are not called a ‘fifth kingdom’ or ‘another kingdom’

Doesn't have to say, "fifth kingdom" to point to a 5th and final kingdom. The Dan.2:35 verse treats the "clay" as a separate piece of the beast statue. It doesn't have to mention 'iron and clay', because the "clay" represents a different material than the other 4 pieces.

The feet have iron in them, which means they are from/ a part of the 4th kingdom. If the feet were only clay, then you would have a better argument.

You cannot apply the "clay" to the "legs of iron" part of the statue. The "legs of iron" does not mention any clay in it. It's only the feet that mentions the "clay" in it, and though mixed with iron, that makes it different than the "legs of iron" (with no clay). Thus the feet of mixed clay and iron represents a 5th beast kingdom.

Furthermore, using common sense as to what the globalists are doing today with their plans for a "one world government", and how they are well on the way with their plan, meaning one can actually see its working today, that is plenty enough sign to show there will be a final one-world beast kingdom still to come for the end of this world (i.e., a 5th beast), which is what Christ's Revelation is revealing to His faithful Church.

Davy · May 18, 2018

claninja said:
The problem is, scripture doesn’t say that. It does, however, give the rise of earthly kingdom after earthly kingdom sequentially, until the coming of the kingdom of God (which is not of this world) which would be during the kings that came from the 4th beast/feet of iron and clay

Well, the Daniel Scripture does... actually say all five pieces are 'together' when the stone not made with hands (Christ Jesus) comes to smite it upon its feet.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron (1), the clay (2), the brass (3), the silver (4), and the gold (5), broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

The picture Message from our Heavenly Father there is how the beast statue of different materials has the heaviest material (gold) on top, and the weakest (clay) on bottom with the feet. And even the clay is more weak because you cannot really mix iron with clay. So that is to show how the whole beast statue as one is prepared to fall down and brake into pieces. The Message is how all the pieces are broken together as one unit when Jesus comes to smite it upon its feet of ten toes.

The "legs of iron" kingdom (pagan Rome) did not have ten kings ruling concurrently. So the ten toes representing ten concurrent kings for the end, is about a final 5th beast kingdom, the one of Revelation 13 & 17.

claninja · May 18, 2018

Davy said:
Doesn't have to say, "fifth kingdom" to point to a 5th and final kingdom.

It would certainly help your case if it did. Otherwise, your just adding your own interpretation to scripture. To test your belief, where is the 5th beast in daniel 7 that matches up with the kingdoms of daniel 2?

Daniel 2:39-40 Another kingdom inferior to you shall arise after you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things.

Davy said:
The Dan.2:35 verse treats the "clay" as a separate piece of the beast statue.

"Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floor"

In Daniel 2:35, all 5 substances of the statue are represented. But no where in the statue is the clay separate from anything. Unless, can you show me in the text, which part of the statue consists only of clay?

Davy said:
It doesn't have to mention 'iron and clay', because the "clay" represents a different material than the other 4 pieces.

What does the clay represent?

Daniel 2:43 As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage,c but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.

Davy said:
You cannot apply the "clay" to the "legs of iron" part of the statue.

No one said there was clay in the legs

Expansion under rome occurred mostly under the roman republic (which had no kings) over several centuries. Around 44bc-27bc, the roman republic became the roman empire (it had kings). the roman empire was strong, but also brittle (many, many civil wars)

Davy said:
It's only the feet that mentions the "clay" in it, and though mixed with iron, that makes it different than the "legs of iron" (with no clay).

The fourth kingdom is represented materially by iron. If there is iron in the feet, that means part of the 4th kingdom is in the feet. The addition of clay means that the it is partly strong and partly weak.

You would have a good argument if there was no iron in the feet and toes. For example, if the feet were stone and clay, then I could see your argument. However, you argument falls flat, as you cannot remove the iron from the clay (the 4th kingdom from intermarrying).

Davy said:
Thus the feet of mixed clay and iron represents a 5th beast kingdom.

Where is the 5th beast in Daniel 7 to complete your argument? could you provide scripture in daniel 7 that mentions a 5th beast? hint: there is no 5th beast in daniel 7.

Davy said:
Furthermore, using common sense as to what the globalists are doing today with their plans for a "one world government",

Persia/Media became a world power right after babylon. Greece became a world power right after Persia/Media. Rome became a world power right after Greece. If there is a 5th one world power, that is future coming as you say, why didn't it come right after the roman empire?

Davy said:
that is plenty enough sign to show there will be a final one-world beast kingdom still to come for the end of this world (i.e., a 5th beast), which is what Christ's Revelation is revealing to His faithful Church.

again, where is the 5th beast in daniel 7?

claninja · May 18, 2018

Davy said:
Well, the Daniel Scripture does... actually say all five pieces are 'together' when the stone not made with hands (Christ Jesus) comes to smite it upon its feet.

I think I was confused about the way you worded the original post. Maybe you could clarify. Yes, in the vision, the statue is standing as one when the stone comes. It sounded at first that you believe all the kingdoms (babylon, persia, greece, and rome, plus 5th) will be back together in the future, when Christ returns. If that is what you meant, then I still stand by what I said, as the vision interprets the rise of sequential kingdoms after one another. But if that is not what you meant, then I apologize for misreading your post.

Davy said:
The "legs of iron" kingdom (pagan Rome) did not have ten kings ruling concurrently.

I agree, and neither did the roman republic have any kings, which was responsible for most of romes expansion (trampling the earth)

Davy said:
So the ten toes representing ten concurrent kings for the end, is about a final 5th beast kingdom, the one of Revelation 13 & 17.

Do you believe the 10 toes are different than the 10 horns that come from the 4th beast in daniel 7?

Davy · May 19, 2018

claninja said:
It would certainly help your case if it did. Otherwise, your just adding your own interpretation to scripture.

That's just your opinion, and mostly because you're not willing to give up the doctrine that's not allowing you to even count... the number of pieces making up the beast image (5, not 4).

To test your belief, where is the 5th beast in daniel 7 that matches up with the kingdoms of daniel 2?

The dream Neb had in Daniel 2 is not the same dream Daniel had in Daniel 7.

The 4th beast in Dan.7 is not the 4th "legs of iron" piece shown in Neb's dream of Dan.2. The Dan.7 fourth beast is the 5th piece (feet of clay mixed with iron) of the beast image in Dan.2.

In Dan.7, the 4th beast is the final one world beast kingdom on earth that will exist at the time when Jesus returns and sets up His Kingdom on earth over all nations in the near future. That aligns in Dan.2 with all... the 5 pieces of the beast image being 'together' when Jesus comes per Dan.2:35-44, and aligns with the 4th beast of Dan.7 that's to have ten horns and a little horn (Antichrist) coming up among the ten.

In Daniel 2:35, all 5 substances of the statue are represented. But no where in the statue is the clay separate from anything. Unless, can you show me in the text, which part of the statue consists only of clay?

I just showed you. The Dan.2:35 & 45 verses reveal 5 pieces to the beast image, not 4. This is where most don't pay attention in Dan.2...

Dan 2:40-41
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
KJV

Most read that "fourth kingdom" label about the legs of iron kingdom (Rome) and then continue in the 41st verse thinking it's the same one. Verse 41 is actually about the feet though, a separate piece shown in Dan.2:35 & 44. Furthermore, as I have said before, the pagan Roman kingdom ("legs of iron") is no more today.

Because the final beast of feet of clay mixed with iron includes the iron, and that there is to be a final beast kingdom manifest at the time in the future at Jesus' 2nd coming, some have assumed a revival of the Roman empire of "legs of iron". But that's not actually what the Daniel 2 Scripture is showing. It's showing the feet of clay (mixed with iron) as a separate beast image part supporting all the rest of the pieces, all together for the end.

This also is what Daniel 7 is showing, because the ten horns (ten kings) represent the ten toes of the feet of clay mixed with iron. And it's about ten concurrent kings reigning at the end with the final beast king, i.e., the Antichrist of Revelation 13 & 17.

Davy · May 19, 2018

claninja said:
I think I was confused about the way you worded the original post. Maybe you could clarify. Yes, in the vision, the statue is standing as one when the stone comes. It sounded at first that you believe all the kingdoms (babylon, persia, greece, and rome, plus 5th) will be back together in the future, when Christ returns. If that is what you meant, then I still stand by what I said, as the vision interprets the rise of sequential kingdoms after one another. But if that is not what you meant, then I apologize for misreading your post.

But all the previous beast kingdoms being manifest again for the end under one controlling body is... what I am saying, and is what that Dan.2:35 Scripture is showing. It doesn't mean they will all be manifest exactly... like they were in the past. For example, I don't believe the actual Babylon empire will be built again literally. Instead God used historical Babylon as a type for the final beast kingdom in Revelation.

And it should be simple to understand especially for our times, because as today's one-world globalist system keeps going, it is becoming more and more anti-Christian, and instead is supporting the pagan theologies of the past. You would have to have your head buried in the sand to not be seeing this today.

“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”
—Strobe Talbot, Deputy Secretary of State, TIME, July l992

That idea is politically about the plan for a "one world government". Talbot didn't come right out and say it, but that's the idea he is pointing to with, "a single, global authority". Political leaders have been talking that kind of language for a long time now.

Do you believe the 10 toes are different than the 10 horns that come from the 4th beast in daniel 7?

No. The Dan.2 5th piece (feet of ten toes clay mixed with iron) represents the Dan.7 4th beast of ten horns. Remember, those are two separate dreams, the Dan.2 dream given Nebuchadnezzar, and the 4 beasts dream of Dan.7 given to Daniel.

claninja · May 19, 2018

Davy said:
That's just your opinion,

So it wouldn't help your argument if daniel 2 literally called the feet of iron and clay a '5th' kingdom or 'another' kingdom after the 4th kingdom?

Davy said:
because you're not willing to give up the doctrine that's not allowing you to even count

That's ironic. because as you say, there are 5 parts to the statue and 4 beasts. Maybe you could provide explanation as which beasts are which parts of the statue?

Davy said:
the number of pieces making up the beast image (5, not 4).

We agree: Gold, silver, bronze, iron, and clay

What does the Iron represent?

you still haven't provided scripture where part of the statue is only made of clay. As far as I can see, clay is never mentioned by itself. It is always mixed with iron.

Davy said:
The dream Neb had in Daniel 2 is not the same dream Daniel had in Daniel 7.

The 4th beast in Dan.7 is not the 4th "legs of iron" piece shown in Neb's dream of Dan.2. The Dan.7 fourth beast is the 5th piece (feet of clay mixed with iron) of the beast image in Dan.2.

Not understanding you here.

Your saying daniel 2 and daniel 7 are not about the same thing, and yet you say the feet of the statue is the same as the 4th beast in daniel 7.

Davy said:
just showed you. The Dan.2:35 & 45 verses reveal 5 pieces to the beast image, not 4. This is where most don't pay attention in Dan.2...

No you didn't. I asked for you to show me where a part of the statue is only clay. You proceeded to show me where there is iron mixed with clay.

Davy said:
Most read that "fourth kingdom" label about the legs of iron kingdom (Rome) and then continue in the 41st verse thinking it's the same one. Verse 41 is actually about the feet though, a separate piece shown in Dan.2:35 & 44. Furthermore, as I have said before, the pagan Roman kingdom ("legs of iron") is no more today.

If there is a 5th kingdom as you say, why did it not come right after the 4th kingdom? all other kingdoms came right after each other in history as world powers.

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