Muslims do not know who they worship

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Sounds like what you are really saying is that Enoch is inspired when you agree with it and when you don't it's Gnostic.
You only need to know the difference between Orthodox Judaism and Paganism.
 
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Isn't the Book of Enoch older than Daniel?

Good to see you around smaneck!

As I understand it Enoch is a multi-compositional book, different parts were written at different times. The earliest parts were written in the 3rd century BCE. Which would make the earliest parts of Enoch older than Daniel.

I just meant that Enoch probably isn't necessary for the apocalyptic genre, we can see the beginnings of the apocalyptic genre as early as Ezekiel and some of the other books of the Prophets, which while not itself apocalyptic can probably be described as proto-apocalyptic. I don't really see much influence on the Apocalypse of St. John from Enoch, though I do see other apocalyptic influences: Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel, etc.

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Lizard People are those who are associated with secret society. That would include many Catholics.

It's just that I've been wondering about my proclivity to eat insects and stick to walls. I think I might be a gecko. I should probably get it checked out. Also, the mothership is calling.

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You only need to know the difference between Orthodox Judaism and Paganism.
Okay, so as long as Enoch does not promote the worship of more than one god, it is inspired? Because that is the primary difference between Judaism and Paganism.
 
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Good to see you around smaneck!

As I understand it Enoch is a multi-compositional book, different parts were written at different times. The earliest parts were written in the 3rd century BCE. Which would make the earliest parts of Enoch older than Daniel.

That's my understanding as well. What I find interesting is the amount of Zoroastrian apocalyptic literature written during the same time and in reaction to the same phenomenon, namely Hellenism. There appears to have been a lot of cross-pollination.
 
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What is the name of your god?


John 4:22
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations


In Hebrew and Aramaic the name of our God is Yahwah. The name Yahwah means, "Life Began."

Muslims say that Allah is not a name.
Allah is a name. Its the name of God. Don't make up things or lie or don't say something you have no knowledge of !!
 
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Allah is a name. Its the name of God. Don't make up things or lie or don't say something you have no knowledge of !!
I have spent years studying it. God's only personal name (Yahwah) means, "Life Began." The word Allah does not mean that. Mohammad was not a prophet of God, and he did not know the name of God. The word for the title God in Aramaic and Arabic is "IL." IL means God. The word (IL / God) is a title, it is not a name of anyone.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”


God

Ancient Hebrew: IL.

Aramaic: IL.

Hebrew: EL.

English: God.

Spanish: Dios.

Italian: Iddio, Iddìo, Dio.

German: Gutes, Gott.

Germanic, Old French: Gott.

French: Dieux, Dieu.

Greek: Theo, Theos.

Latin: Deus.

Norwegian: Gud.

Swedish: Gud.

Portugese: Deus.
 
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CherubRam said:


God

Ancient Hebrew: IL.

Aramaic: IL.

Hebrew: EL.

English: God.

Spanish: Dios.

Italian: Iddio, Iddìo, Dio.

German: Gutes, Gott.

Germanic, Old French: Gott.

French: Dieux, Dieu.

Greek: Theo, Theos.

Latin: Deus.

Norwegian: Gud.

Swedish: Gud.

Portugese: Deus.
Also:

Maylay: Allah.

In fact, there was allegedly a ruckus over in Malaysia regard-
ing a ban on Christians using the term "Allah" (which is "God"
in the Malay language), to refer to Him:

"Christian leaders argue that the word "Allah" predates Islam,
and has long been used in Malay-language bibles and other
texts to refer to God."


Source: Malaysia to Christians: Don't say 'Allah' - CNN
 
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I have spent years studying it. God's only personal name (Yahwah) means, "Life Began." The word Allah does not mean that. Mohammad was not a prophet of God, and he did not know the name of God. The word for the title God in Aramaic and Arabic is "IL." IL means God. The word (IL / God) is a title, it is not a name of anyone.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”


God

Ancient Hebrew: IL.

Aramaic: IL.

Hebrew: EL.

English: God.

Spanish: Dios.

Italian: Iddio, Iddìo, Dio.

German: Gutes, Gott.

Germanic, Old French: Gott.

French: Dieux, Dieu.

Greek: Theo, Theos.

Latin: Deus.

Norwegian: Gud.

Swedish: Gud.

Portugese: Deus.
 
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Also:

Maylay: Allah.

In fact, there was allegedly a ruckus over in Malaysia regard-
ing a ban on Christians using the term "Allah" (which is "God"
in the Malay language), to refer to Him:

"Christian leaders argue that the word "Allah" predates Islam,
and has long been used in Malay-language bibles and other
texts to refer to God."


Source: Malaysia to Christians: Don't say 'Allah' - CNN
Allah is the short form of Alilah. Alilah was the Babylonian morning sun god. People say many things that are not true.
 
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Allah is the short form of Alilah. Alilah was the Babylonian morning sun god. People say many things that are not true.
Indeed they do.

In the case of the aforementioned Malaysian bibles, if the term 'Allah'
were indeed problematic, it wouldn't be in there.
 
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Indeed they do.

In the case of the aforementioned Malaysian bibles, if the term 'Allah'
were indeed problematic, it wouldn't be in there.
A lot of people still think the world is flat and that we never went to the moon. Truth is narrowly defined, and lies are broad and all encompassing. If the leader of the sheep runs off of a cliff, the rest will follow. Such is the nature of mankind.
 
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A lot of people still think the world is flat and that we never went to the moon. Truth is narrowly defined, and lies are broad and all encompassing. If the leader of the sheep runs off of a cliff, the rest will follow. Such is the nature of mankind.
Fortunately, this case is different.
 
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I have spent years studying it. God's only personal name (Yahwah) means, "Life Began." The word Allah does not mean that. Mohammad was not a prophet of God, and he did not know the name of God. The word for the title God in Aramaic and Arabic is "IL." IL means God. The word (IL / God) is a title, it is not a name of anyone.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”


God

Ancient Hebrew: IL.

Aramaic: IL.

Hebrew: EL.

English: God.

Spanish: Dios.

Italian: Iddio, Iddìo, Dio.

German: Gutes, Gott.

Germanic, Old French: Gott.

French: Dieux, Dieu.

Greek: Theo, Theos.

Latin: Deus.

Norwegian: Gud.

Swedish: Gud.

Portugese: Deus.

Many Muslims would find that comment quite offensive.
This is the shahada:

“La ilaha illa Allah Muhammadur rasoolu Allah”

Translation: There is no true God (diety) but Allah (SWT); Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah (SWT) Iman, Shahadah, Tawhid - The First Pillar of Islam | IslamicFinder

If Muhammad isn't the Messenger of Allah then why is this the 1st pillar of Islam?
 
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What is the name of your god?


John 4:22
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations


In Hebrew and Aramaic the name of our God is Yahwah. The name Yahwah means, "Life Began."

Muslims say that Allah is not a name.

God's real name (closest to it) is Yahweh its not Allah.
 
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The issue isn't with the way you call God. Ive read arab speaking jews and christians say allah for God and Allah isnt the moon god. God Allah - Allah - NOT a Moon God

The issue isnt moon god or the language its islam rejects what Christ did for humanity, including you. I don't wanna win any arguments this is just a discussion.
 
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The issue isn't with the way you call God. Ive read arab speaking jews and christians say allah for God and Allah isnt the moon god. God Allah - Allah - NOT a Moon God

The issue isnt moon god or the language its islam rejects what Christ did for humanity, including you. I don't wanna win any arguments this is just a discussion.
So if God died for your sins that's true religion and if he didn't that's not true! How is that a criteria to know the truth. The criteria has to be something that can be applied to all religions like does the scriptures have contradictions, are reliable scriptures, have no scientific error etc
 
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So if God died for your sins that's true religion and if he didn't that's not true! How is that a criteria to know the truth. The criteria has to be something that can be applied to all religions like does the scriptures have contradictions, are reliable scriptures, have no scientific error etc

Look up errors of the quran, and see if it lines up with the quran. Believe the source not people trying to disprove islam, but I beg you to see if it lines up.
 
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