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(2 Peter 3:5) It doesn't specifically say the land molecules were created from the water molecules. It merely says the land was formed out of water, meaning, the land came up out of the water becoming visible -- it was formed by being "out of water" instead of being "under water" as it was previously. And it was formed by water, meaning perhaps, there was erosion after this, or perhaps before this while the land was under the water.

That would mean the earth had form. In the beginning there was no land, and the waters were formless. They waters did not yet have a land container that gave it shape, because the land did not yet have shape. There was no solid mass at the core yet. None of that happened until day 3.

One key here is formless and empty. A water globe with submerged land base is neither formless nor empty.

And I tend to read Peter more as the NIV translates him. He's actually saying the land and sea were formed from the original waters. Much like Christ created wine from water.

Another key here is the meaning of earth. Earth merely means land (and God called the dry land earth). It's not referring to planet earth. It's saying specifically the land did not yet have form. It was not solid yet. That goes beyond submerged.
 
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But Christ didn't. He said Adam and Eve were created at the beginning. I believe him.
The earth and the cosmos can still be very old and life, including Adam and Eve be created 6000 years ago.The Hebrew word for 'beginning', is the same word used for firstborn or first fruits, because they were our first parents.
 
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That would mean the earth had form. In the beginning there was no land, and the waters were formless. They waters did not yet have a land container that gave it shape, because the land did not yet have shape. There was no solid mass at the core yet. None of that happened until day 3.

One key here is formless and empty. A water globe with submerged land base is neither formless nor empty.

And I tend to read Peter more as the NIV translates him. He's actually saying the land and sea were formed from the original waters. Much like Christ created wine from water.

Another key here is the meaning of earth. Earth merely means land (and God called the dry land earth). It's not referring to planet earth. It's saying specifically the land did not yet have form. It was not solid yet. That goes beyond submerged.
Look at it....Genesis 1:1 God created. Past tense. Finished. Done deal. There was no Adam.
Genesis 1:2 The Earth became without form and void. The word "was" here means 'became in the original Aramaic. The Earth was a living Entity, complete and functioning, then it became without form and void...It became basically a pile of gravel floating in space. Who or what destroyed it? And why?
Genesis 1:3 God began the rebuild...Devided the waters from the waters; divided the waters and called the dry land up. That was already there you see. When He divided the waters the land showed up.
And onward:
He commanded the Earth to grow the seeds which were there too.
Now God created....The stars in the sky etc. Then the fish in the seas, then the land animals...
God did not start creating until vs 14 Not at verse 3. Read it. He commanded what was, then He created to populate what was.

Between vs 1 and vs 3 there is a gap. That gap could have been a year it could have been five billion years..We do not know. But do not take tradition for truth until you compare it to the Word in a careful study.
 
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Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


I have changed my mind about this again. I think the text has greater meaning. The earth was an abyss - formless and empty, and there was water. The deep is the abyss.
I am no longer accepting of the Gap Theory.
That's sad.
 
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The first day you mentioned is the first day of God rebuilding the Earth. Vs 2 The Earth was without form....Look up the word 'was' in Strongs. It reads 'became' as in...The Earth became without form and void.
God created the world, it became without form and void, God began rebuilding it in vs 3, creating some of the animals. Everything was already there in vs 3
That's what I think, what I see is the earth is formed but it is covered by thick clouds and water. While it is 'without form and void', the basic spherical planet was there the entire time from the original creation to creation week.

The Hebrew word for ‘was’ is, Strong's H1961 - hayah, it is translated a number of different ways:

Was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained, better for thee. (Strong’s Dictionary)
It could mean just simply was, become or simply pertained. I'm not sure what your point is here. The root meaning appears to mean simply to exist.
 
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Between vs 1 and vs 3 there is a gap. That gap could have been a year it could have been five billion years..We do not know. But do not take tradition for truth until you compare it to the Word in a careful study.

Exactly! It could have been ten seconds, the text simply doesn't say.
 
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That's what I think, what I see is the earth is formed but it is covered by thick clouds and water. While it is 'without form and void', the basic spherical planet was there the entire time from the original creation to creation week.

The Hebrew word for ‘was’ is, Strong's H1961 - hayah, it is translated a number of different ways:

Was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained, better for thee. (Strong’s Dictionary)
It could mean just simply was, become or simply pertained. I'm not sure what your point is here. The root meaning appears to mean simply to exist.
I would clarify....What they call creation week?
And, too, I do not believe the Earth was at all unoccupied. It was heavily populated..Very very evil people. I have theories about how the Earth was destroyed.
 
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Exactly! It could have been ten seconds, the text simply doesn't say.
It does not say...That is....It does not say in so many words but there are hints in many places throughout the bible....I believe that's when Atlantis existed, flourished. Between you and me? I believe Earth was destroyed at the same time as Mars ws destroyed. When the planet between Mars and Jupiter blew up. Dig into that one my friend. LOL
 
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It does not say...That is....It does not say in so many words but there are hints in many places throughout the bible....I believe that's when Atlantis existed, flourished. Between you and me? I believe Earth was destroyed at the same time as Mars ws destroyed. When the planet between Mars and Jupiter blew up. Dig into that one my friend. LOL

I had something more serious in mind.
 
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Look at it....Genesis 1:1 God created. Past tense. Finished. Done deal. There was no Adam.

No, actually it's not. The nature of the word re’shiyth (beginning) is a bit different in that regard. It can be used of a beginning period and therefore can encompass the six days described immediately afterward. In fact, you have sandwiching statements in Genesis, on either side of the six days, which confirm this (Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 2:1).

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Gen. 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”....
Gen. 1:6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament....
Gen. 1:9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens...let the dry land appear”....
Gen. 1:11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass....”
Gen. 1:14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament....
Gen. 1:20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures,....let birds fly above....
Gen. 1:24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature....
Gen. 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image....
Gen. 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good....
Gen. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.​

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There is no doubt the creation of the heavens and the earth is referring to the six days.

Also, if you look at how re’shiyth is used elsewhere in the OT., you see a similar pattern. In the beginning of so and so's reign, such and such happened... followed by a description of those events.

This is exactly what we see in Genesis. In the beginning the formless land was created on day 1. It was called "the waters." Then God formed the land and sea on day 3 from these shapeless waters, after stretching out the initial space of the heavens on day 2. Then God filled the heavens and the earth. Then, Gen. 2:1, the heavens and the earth were finished. It's crystal clear. The author is telling us the 6 days are creation of the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:2 The Earth became without form and void. The word "was" here means 'became in the original Aramaic.

No. Total myth. Totally debunked. Was means was. Check every modern translation.
 
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No, actually it's not. The nature of the word re’shiyth (beginning) is a bit different in that regard. It can be used of a beginning period and therefore can encompass the six days described immediately afterward. In fact, you have sandwiching statements in Genesis, on either side of the six days, which confirm this (Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 2:1).

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Gen. 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”....
Gen. 1:6 Then God said, “Let there be a firmament....
Gen. 1:9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens...let the dry land appear”....
Gen. 1:11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass....”
Gen. 1:14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament....
Gen. 1:20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures,....let birds fly above....
Gen. 1:24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature....
Gen. 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image....
Gen. 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good....
Gen. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.​

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There is no doubt the creation of the heavens and the earth is referring to the six days.

Also, if you look at how re’shiyth is used elsewhere in the OT., you see a similar pattern. In the beginning of so and so's reign, such and such happened... followed by a description of those events.

This is exactly what we see in Genesis. In the beginning the formless land was created on day 1. It was called "the waters." Then God formed the land and sea on day 3 from these shapeless waters, after stretching out the initial space of the heavens on day 2. Then God filled the heavens and the earth. Then, Gen. 2:1, the heavens and the earth were finished. It's crystal clear. The author is telling us the 6 days are creation of the heavens and the earth.



No. Total myth. Totally debunked. Was means was. Check every modern translation.
At least you're doing some digging...And giving it a lot of thought. I appreciate that. I like a thinker.
It's interesting though how you looked up the word 'beginning' and not the word 'was'.
 
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No, actually it's not. The nature of the word re’shiyth (beginning) is a bit different in that regard. It can be used of a beginning period and therefore can encompass the six days described immediately afterward. In fact, you have sandwiching statements in Genesis, on either side of the six days, which confirm this (Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 2:1).

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There is no doubt the creation of the heavens and the earth is referring to the six days.

Also, if you look at how re’shiyth is used elsewhere in the OT., you see a similar pattern. In the beginning of so and so's reign, such and such happened... followed by a description of those events.

This is exactly what we see in Genesis. In the beginning the formless land was created on day 1. It was called "the waters." Then God formed the land and sea on day 3 from these shapeless waters, after stretching out the initial space of the heavens on day 2. Then God filled the heavens and the earth. Then, Gen. 2:1, the heavens and the earth were finished. It's crystal clear. The author is telling us the 6 days are creation of the heavens and the earth.

This comes down to the meaning of 'beginning', you went to some trouble to emphasize that point:

The KJV translates Strong's H7225 in the following manner: beginning (18x), firstfruits (11x), first (9x), chief (8x), miscellaneous (5x). (beginning H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth).​

There is nothing inherent in the term to include creation week in the original creation of the heavens and the earth. The term in verse one is specifically qualifying that creation as including the heavens and the earth, it's a stand alone statement. At that point, before creation week starts the earth is covered in water and thick clouds that didn't let any light in:

“Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’? (Job 38:8-11)
What is being described here except the same formless void described in Genesis 1? The land is covered in water and the clouds wrap the earth in thick darkness. That was the earth after the original creation, formless and void, covered in water and darkness and that was the process of creation, God's work making the earth suitable for life.

No. Totally myth. Totally debunked. Was means was. Check every modern translation.

Better yet check the original:

"The Earth was (H1961 הָיָה hayah) formless and void" (Gen. 1:2).
That is a very general term used a lot of different ways.

Let there be H1961 light:, (Gen. 1:3)
Which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be H1961 for meat. (Gen. 1:29)
It is not good that the man should be H1961 alone. (Gen. 2:18)
God is saying, 'let there be light', it was not but God is making it happen right now. The seed of the fruit of a tree, is to be, from now on meat or food. 'It is not good that the man should be alone', that is in the present tense but God is about to change that. All indicate a very present tense. The term indicates in the present tense of the original creation that the earth was simply 'formless and void'. This is not a reference to the condition other then it was unsuitable for life in it's present, very present condition, at the time.

At least you're doing some digging...And giving it a lot of thought. I appreciate that. I like a thinker.
It's interesting though how you looked up the word 'beginning' and not the word 'was'.

Try Blue Letter Bible, it's an excellent resource.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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At least you're doing some digging...And giving it a lot of thought. I appreciate that. I like a thinker.
It's interesting though how you looked up the word 'beginning' and not the word 'was'.

Thanks, very kind to say, especially considering we disagree.

There's a lot of info on the "Was/Beginning" argument. But I think the most powerful is the vast majority of the translations. Do you know any that translate was in this instance became? They don't and the reason is context. You can't just look at a word's semantic range and then choose the meaning fits your theory. You have to fit it with the context of the passage.

on this article skip to the heading ‘Was’ Means ‘Was’
The Gap Theory—an Idea with Holes?

But again, look to the context of Genesis 1:1-2:1. Look at the sandwiching heaven and earth statements. Look at Moses' commentary on the six days in Ex. 20:11. "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
 
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I agree with what he said -

except that Satan wasn't a snake in the garden. And I believe in one flood only - not Noah's flood, but a global flood, between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2 -
But the gap theory explains the fossil record, as long as the pre-Adamic race, is not human but angelic.
 
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I agree with what he said -

except that Satan wasn't a snake in the garden. And I believe in one flood only - not Noah's flood, but a global flood, between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2 -
But the gap theory explains the fossil record, as long as the pre-Adamic race, is not human but angelic.

What evidence would you present that there was a pre-agamic, non-adamc race?
 
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What evidence would you present that there was a pre-agamic, non-adamc race?

the video sums up the theory, with biblical evidence. it provides evidence that is new to me - like in Job, indicating that the flooded earth became frozen, as there was darkness. the earth appeared, out of the water - darkness was upon the face of the deep. it is a re-creation, which explains the fossil record - (a re-creation in six literal days).
The gap theory also explains the pre-flood megalithic structures in Peru and Bolivia. and imo - Baalbek and the pyramids - they were not cities, but were built by angels, at a time when there were no people yet created. That is why you don't find evidence of ruins like cities or bridges or anything else much - just a bell and gold chain found in coal, and some ball bearings.
If there was (as some believe) an advanced human civilization, before the flood, capable of creating the megalithic structures, then there would have been a civilization, developed to the point of as it is today - and there would be huge numbers of human remains as fossils, as well as many cities, bridges, high-tech. People like Graham Hancock speculate that this civilization is to be found in Antarctica (of course I don't agree with that). Angels would have had the supernatural powers needed to create the unexplained megalithic structures.
I don't know the scripture to-hand, but Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Psalms and Job is described/referenced in the video.
There seems to have been a new creation, with mainly mammals, birds, insects - like dolphins and whales replaced icthyiosaurs and plesiosaurs. The world at one time had giant ammonites, and trilobites. Some life might have survived, although prolonged darkness would have killed off all life.
For many years, I have tried to work out Noah's flood. But now I think that that scenario is impossible - the number of insects/spiders, distribution of birds, marsupials, around the world - koalas in Australia - but I have always been impressed by young-earth creationist evidence for a global flood - and I believe in a global flood - just not Noah's flood 4000 years ago, but a flood caused by the rebellion of angels on the earth, many thousands of years ago. I think this because there is virtually no carbon 14 remaining in coal - which means that the age of the earth is over 40-50,000 years - coal was deposited by the great flood.
The great flood was between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2. The Hebrew word for 'was' without form and void, can be rendered accurately as 'became' without form and void. The earth was already there, it was just under deep water, and frozen over - no sunlight, or star-light.
I am not sure, if rejecting the flood of Noah, is against forum rules, on creationism, but that is the way it is for me - I think that account is derived from the Sumerian flood legend, adapted during the Babylonian exile. If I am wrong - then someone explain the problems that I have outlined with the flood of Noah.
There would appear to have been a re-creation of dinosaurs as well, but they became extinct, due to climate and human persecution - and maybe competition from mammals.
For what it's worth, I have come to believe in Genesis creation literally, and do not believe the earth is a planet. How long the angelic kingdom lasted before the rebellion - don't know, but I suspect they had high-tech from the start, and didn't need thousands of years to develop it, like humans.
 
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No I don't think it's agains the rules to deny the Flood. Many Christians do. It's based on man's understanding of history rather than God's.

I think the bottom line difference between us is, I believe the Scriptures. So if you undermine the Scriptures by denying the flood (based on man's theories), then I would think you also undermine the Gap theory, if you believe it comes from Scripture. But, I believe in six days God created the heavens, the earth the sea and all that is in them.

But if you have some texts that you believe support the gap theory and a pre-adamic angelic race, please share. It'll be good hash them out.
 
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No I don't think it's against the rules to deny the Flood. Many Christians do. It's based on man's understanding of history rather than God's.
But if you have some texts that you believe support the gap theory and a pre-adamic angelic race, please share. It'll be good hash them out.


GEN 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so

the land appears out of the water - the firmament is established.


PS 104 30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

JER 4
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

there were already mountains and hills.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

something caused the Lord to have fierce anger - imo the rebellion of Satan - not the wickedness of men, as in the Noah account.

27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

it is not the full end - restoration takes place.

ISAIAH 24 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

EZ 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

ISAIAH 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

If Lucifer wanted to ascend into heaven, then he wasn't in heaven, which means he was on the earth - in Eden, before man. Imo, he was the ruler of the earth and the angelic race, became iniquity and so could not be saved, as men can be saved.

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

I don't think that that was an immediate fate, as Satan was in Eden to tempt Eve, later - not in the form of a snake, but as Nachash (serpent) as he was a serpent-angel, resembling a man.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

the shaking of the earth, mentioned in JER 4, was caused by Satan, and his sin. Earth tremors, and I think the breakup of Pangaea occurred at that time (speculation) - I think this because the marsupials of Australia have been there for a long time, as some marsupial species have become extinct and have been found in Australia - the landmass has been separated from Asia, so as to isolate the marsupials to Australia - imo, the animal kinds were created in-situ - and did not move that much, so you find llamas in South America, and not in central or North America, for example, and the birds of the Americas are different to the birds of Europe, Africa and Asia - so the Atlantic has been there since the restoration of animal kinds.
Same with the unique birds of Australia - although, for example, the Palm Cockatoo has a range from North Australia to Papua - because it could breach the distance, but did not spread into Asia - similar to the flying foxes - which could fly large distances and span Asia and Australia - although the species are different, (so perhaps not).
Yecs have found fossils of sea-life at the tops of mountains - in some places, so some of the mountains must have been thrust up from the sea-bed, at one time.
Fossils of dinosaurs have been found in Australia - so imo, Australia was part of the original Pangaea, and date to before the great flood. (Although I think that some dinosaurs are fake - such kinds as Behemoth are genuine). I have done some fossil-hunting in Lyme Regis in Dorset - I have found ammonites in soft rock, that resembles dark hard mud. You can walk over ammonites a meter in size, on the beach - this form of life was once very abundant, along with the trilobites - and became extinct, why? - because of the prolonged darkness. The sediment from tsunamis and flood caused the fossilization.
I have seen fossil ichthyiosaurs and plesiosaurs in museums, and I think these were genuine animals. I also agree with Yecs, that there was once a hyperbaric atmosphere on the earth.


17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

JOB
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.

6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

The earth has not been shaken out of its place since (I am a geocentrist) - that sort of shaking might have caused the breakup of Pangaea.

7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

JOB 38
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

JOB 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

the sons of God were there at the beginning - when God laid the foundations of the earth - all the sons of God, so not all rebelled with Satan.

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

 
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GEN 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so

the land appears out of the water - the firmament is established.


PS 104 30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

JER 4
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

there were already mountains and hills.

25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

something caused the Lord to have fierce anger - imo the rebellion of Satan - not the wickedness of men, as in the Noah account.

27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

it is not the full end - restoration takes place.

ISAIAH 24 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

EZ 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

ISAIAH 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

If Lucifer wanted to ascend into heaven, then he wasn't in heaven, which means he was on the earth - in Eden, before man. Imo, he was the ruler of the earth and the angelic race, became iniquity and so could not be saved, as men can be saved.

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

I don't think that that was an immediate fate, as Satan was in Eden to tempt Eve, later - not in the form of a snake, but as Nachash (serpent) as he was a serpent-angel, resembling a man.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

the shaking of the earth, mentioned in JER 4, was caused by Satan, and his sin. Earth tremors, and I think the breakup of Pangaea occurred at that time (speculation) - I think this because the marsupials of Australia have been there for a long time, as some marsupial species have become extinct and have been found in Australia - the landmass has been separated from Asia, so as to isolate the marsupials to Australia - imo, the animal kinds were created in-situ - and did not move that much, so you find llamas in South America, and not in central or North America, for example, and the birds of the Americas are different to the birds of Europe, Africa and Asia - so the Atlantic has been there since the restoration of animal kinds.
Same with the unique birds of Australia - although, for example, the Palm Cockatoo has a range from North Australia to Papua - because it could breach the distance, but did not spread into Asia - similar to the flying foxes - which could fly large distances and span Asia and Australia - although the species are different, (so perhaps not).
Yecs have found fossils of sea-life at the tops of mountains - in some places, so some of the mountains must have been thrust up from the sea-bed, at one time.
Fossils of dinosaurs have been found in Australia - so imo, Australia was part of the original Pangaea, and date to before the great flood. (Although I think that some dinosaurs are fake - such kinds as Behemoth are genuine). I have done some fossil-hunting in Lyme Regis in Dorset - I have found ammonites in soft rock, that resembles dark hard mud. You can walk over ammonites a meter in size, on the beach - this form of life was once very abundant, along with the trilobites - and became extinct, why? - because of the prolonged darkness. The sediment from tsunamis and flood caused the fossilization.
I have seen fossil ichthyiosaurs and plesiosaurs in museums, and I think these were genuine animals. I also agree with Yecs, that there was once a hyperbaric atmosphere on the earth.


17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

JOB
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.

6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

The earth has not been shaken out of its place since (I am a geocentrist) - that sort of shaking might have caused the breakup of Pangaea.

7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

JOB 38
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

JOB 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

the sons of God were there at the beginning - when God laid the foundations of the earth - all the sons of God, so not all rebelled with Satan.

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

These are great verses for Young Earth Creationism, but I don't see any verses that support the idea of pre-adamic men or a pre-adamic race. There's the sons of God, but those are mentioned just before the flood, not before Adam. What Scriptural evidence can you present? These above are the same verse I'd used to make my case. Perhaps you can pick some of these passages and explain why you think they support your beliefs.
 
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