GirdYourLoins

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2016
1,220
929
Brighton, UK
✟122,682.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Hello! Doing a thorough search, with biblical reasons for separating from a relationship, with a willful sinner, who has continually apologized for his violations against me and continues to go back to the same behavior he apologized for. I need to add here: This isn't repentance which I know is, a 180 turn in the other direction.
Anyhow, I found numerous scriptures that stated what I needed to do:
Matt 18:14-18 ~ Go- take witnesses-go to the church ---Did that
1 Cor 5: 11-13 ~ Have nothing to do with them Did that
1 Cor 6 ~ take the serious violation to the church instead of the court (family --of God/not a building)
2 Tim 3:1-5 Have nothing to do with them.
Lastly about 40 verses in Proverbs, regarding how to handle a fool; basically, someone who returns to their vomit.
NOW my questions...
After explaining all of my biblical reasons to his Christian friends (yes he calls himself a Christian and will argue profusely that he is!), for not associating with this unrepented sinner. They said, I was being unloving, unkind, impatient and so forth. Also that "Jesus would never forsake anyone " his mother said. THey completely disregarded the scriptures. SHEESH!
Why are so many soft on sin?
What am I to do when they themselves are believers, and don't live with this man and don't see his violations/issues/repeated sin on a daily basis? I don't want a divorce I simply want him to get a wake-up call. THis has helped trememndously....but he hasn't fully repented (my hope still stands for his restoration)
How do I explain it better to those who we know, other than how the verses explain it?
The fact you have said relationship rather than marriage makes it sound to me like you have entered into a long term relationship outside of marriage. If that is the case I would suggest you repent of this situation as well.

However, whether you are or are not married it does not mean you should suffer any abuse. You mentioned a rage issue and if that results in violence against you or psychological abuse I do not think you should subject yourself to more.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

GUANO

Well-Known Member
Jul 3, 2013
739
324
40
Los Angeles
✟32,324.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Using guilt and shame to motivate someone to change is going to have the complete opposite effect that you're trying to get. You're probably hoping that you just run this guy off so that at the end of the day, the 'sin' for leaving isn't "on you".
 
  • Useful
Reactions: RaymondG
Upvote 0

RaymondG

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2016
8,545
3,816
USA
✟268,974.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Upvote 0

salt-n-light

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 8, 2017
2,607
2,526
32
Rosedale
✟165,859.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Celibate
Hello! Doing a thorough search, with biblical reasons for separating from a relationship, with a willful sinner, who has continually apologized for his violations against me and continues to go back to the same behavior he apologized for. I need to add here: This isn't repentance which I know is, a 180 turn in the other direction.
Anyhow, I found numerous scriptures that stated what I needed to do:
Matt 18:14-18 ~ Go- take witnesses-go to the church ---Did that
1 Cor 5: 11-13 ~ Have nothing to do with them Did that
1 Cor 6 ~ take the serious violation to the church instead of the court (family --of God/not a building)
2 Tim 3:1-5 Have nothing to do with them.
Lastly about 40 verses in Proverbs, regarding how to handle a fool; basically, someone who returns to their vomit.
NOW my questions...
After explaining all of my biblical reasons to his Christian friends (yes he calls himself a Christian and will argue profusely that he is!), for not associating with this unrepented sinner. They said, I was being unloving, unkind, impatient and so forth. Also that "Jesus would never forsake anyone " his mother said. THey completely disregarded the scriptures. SHEESH!
Why are so many soft on sin?
What am I to do when they themselves are believers, and don't live with this man and don't see his violations/issues/repeated sin on a daily basis? I don't want a divorce I simply want him to get a wake-up call. THis has helped trememndously....but he hasn't fully repented (my hope still stands for his restoration)
How do I explain it better to those who we know, other than how the verses explain it?

This low-life, unrepentant, sinner, is your husband. You have a covenant with him, you both agree to this union, respect that and honor your part.

Leave him to God, and pray and love your husband. Your actions may be the very thing that leads him to repentance or go further from God. Scriptures shed light on our situation, but it would be hard for him to see where he is walking, if your only shining the light in his face, and not on the path he needs to go. Trust in God, and the power of His Word, that your situation isn't void of hope and restoration.
 
Upvote 0
May 6, 2018
10
3
Orange County
✟8,440.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And I cant believe either of these two responses. Dont really see how it adds to the discussion.....
I do. If you don't like my response, or can't see how it adds to this discussion, that's your problem.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

RaymondG

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2016
8,545
3,816
USA
✟268,974.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I do. If you don't like my response, or can't see how it adds to this discussion, that's you'r problem.
I understand. Was just following your lead on commenting on the unbelievability of other's responses. If you believe that we should just keep problems with other's posts to ourselves....I can say that I agree, and we can start now.
 
Upvote 0

Paul of Eugene OR

Finally Old Enough
Site Supporter
May 3, 2014
6,373
1,857
✟256,002.00
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
There is no cause for divorce except for fornication (which is not adultery). Fornication takes place before a marriage, and if you are already married, the Lord commands that we stay married.

If you're not married, and he is sinning against you, then leave. But you said you didn't want a divorce, so I guess that means you're married.

Consider these verses:
Ezra 10:10-11
10 Then Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, "You have been unfaithful and have married foreign wives adding to the guilt of Israel. Now therefore, make confession to the LORD God of your fathers and do His will; and separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives."
NASU

Don't be so quick to judge those who cannot remain married. The real justification for divorce is hardness of heart, but one is not supposed to have that level of hardness of heart. How many hard hearts does it take? One is enough.
 
Upvote 0

thesunisout

growing in grace
Site Supporter
Mar 24, 2011
4,761
1,399
He lifts me up
✟159,601.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Hello! Doing a thorough search, with biblical reasons for separating from a relationship, with a willful sinner, who has continually apologized for his violations against me and continues to go back to the same behavior he apologized for. I need to add here: This isn't repentance which I know is, a 180 turn in the other direction.
Anyhow, I found numerous scriptures that stated what I needed to do:
Matt 18:14-18 ~ Go- take witnesses-go to the church ---Did that
1 Cor 5: 11-13 ~ Have nothing to do with them Did that
1 Cor 6 ~ take the serious violation to the church instead of the court (family --of God/not a building)
2 Tim 3:1-5 Have nothing to do with them.
Lastly about 40 verses in Proverbs, regarding how to handle a fool; basically, someone who returns to their vomit.
NOW my questions...
After explaining all of my biblical reasons to his Christian friends (yes he calls himself a Christian and will argue profusely that he is!), for not associating with this unrepented sinner. They said, I was being unloving, unkind, impatient and so forth. Also that "Jesus would never forsake anyone " his mother said. THey completely disregarded the scriptures. SHEESH!
Why are so many soft on sin?
What am I to do when they themselves are believers, and don't live with this man and don't see his violations/issues/repeated sin on a daily basis? I don't want a divorce I simply want him to get a wake-up call. THis has helped trememndously....but he hasn't fully repented (my hope still stands for his restoration)
How do I explain it better to those who we know, other than how the verses explain it?

Sorry, I misread the OP
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Radagast

comes and goes
Site Supporter
Dec 10, 2003
23,821
9,817
✟312,047.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
It's a rage issue, and I am his target.

If you're talking domestic violence, that's grounds for divorce. Or at least, that's what I understand "God has called you to live in peace" to mean in 1 Corinthians 7:15.
 
Upvote 0

Silly Uncle Wayne

Well-Known Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,332
598
57
Dublin
✟102,646.00
Country
Ireland
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Single
I think you might be confusing forgiveness with reconciliation...forgiveness is about the one forgiving where reconciliation is about both parties coming into a right relationship
Thanks, you might be right. I’ll give it some thought although my first instinct is to say forgiveness includes reconciliation.
 
Upvote 0

razzelflabben

Contributor
Nov 8, 2003
25,814
2,508
63
Ohio
✟122,293.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Thanks, you might be right. I’ll give it some thought although my first instinct is to say forgiveness includes reconciliation.
all reconciliation contains forgiveness but not all forgiveness includes reconciliation as sad as that is....
 
Upvote 0

Call me Nic

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 27, 2017
1,532
1,627
.
✟481,735.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Consider these verses:
Ezra 10:10-11
10 Then Ezra the priest stood up and said to them, "You have been unfaithful and have married foreign wives adding to the guilt of Israel. Now therefore, make confession to the LORD God of your fathers and do His will; and separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives."
NASU

Don't be so quick to judge those who cannot remain married. The real justification for divorce is hardness of heart, but one is not supposed to have that level of hardness of heart. How many hard hearts does it take? One is enough.
Firstly, this passage is not biblical justification for divorce. This was something the children of Israel did because they had broken a commandment that the Lord told them, which was in Deuteronomy 7:1-3, which says, "When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Caananites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; and when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son."

So you see here that the people were never even supposed to marry foreign women anyway as commanded by the Lord; so, in order to return to the Lord's will, Ezra commanded the people to put them away from them. That is the only reason why the people divorced their wives: because they were commanded not to be married in the first place.

Secondly, the passage in Matthew 19:7-9 says, "They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

We know that simply divorcing without remarrying is adultery based on a similar passage that Jesus taught in Matthew 5:31 which says, "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

You cannot and will not find justification for divorce in the Bible that allows for one to remain blameless before the Lord, unless it's for the cause of the other committing fornication (which must have happened prior to marriage). The Lord simply hates divorce, period.

And by the way, it's not me judging her - I'm not saying that the situation she's in isn't difficult, or that I wouldn't want out either. However, I am only giving her the truth based upon scripture as to what the most godly thing to do is - and that is to stay married. But if she cannot, that is up to her and she alone will answer to God for it. That's not me judging her, that's me simply telling her the truth BASED upon the judgements of God through scripture.
 
Upvote 0
May 10, 2018
24
23
65
Mid Atlantic
✟15,919.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The fact you have said relationship rather than marriage makes it sound to me like you have entered into a long term relationship outside of marriage. If that is the case I would suggest you repent of this situation as well.

However, whether you are or are not married it does not mean you should suffer any abuse. You mentioned a rage issue and if that results in violence against you or psychological abuse I do not think you should subject yourself to more.

GIRD YOUR LOINS.....thank you for your response and yes I took a stand: Removing the tempatation for him to be abusive (TY Eugene of Oregon--♥ your reply!)
In referencce to my marital status....carefully re-read my post, you'll see, I am (have been for almost 20 years), that is why I am not giving up, as many here are pointing the finger at me, and throwing the "Law" in my face, without realizing my heart is about Hope and Resoration.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
May 10, 2018
24
23
65
Mid Atlantic
✟15,919.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I cannot believe some of the responses here :(
hi x-carnal Christian....Me neither. I see a bunch of accusing Sadducees and Pharisees :sigh: :scratch:~jusayin!
Eugene of Oregon and Razzelflabben and a private inbox message were Jesus with skin on or Angels :angel:
 
Upvote 0
May 10, 2018
24
23
65
Mid Atlantic
✟15,919.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
If you're his wife then you need to understand your duty as a wife, before the Lord:

1 Peter 1:1-6

1Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear. 3 Do not let your adornment be merely outward—arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel— 4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

This kind of puts it in a different context, doesn't it? If he doesn't know Christ then he isn't saved, and if that is the case the word here is instructing you to be submissive to him. If he is committing the sin of adultery, you have the right to divorce him although unless it was abusive I would advocate for an attempt at reconciliation. If he is living a sinful life while claiming to be a Christian, he is only doing what is natural for him to do if he doesn't know the Lord. Your responsibility is to win him to Christ, not divorce him according to this word. I hope you pray about this sister.

Your ASSUMPTIONS are out the SHAZANG :sigh: ! !

You do not KNOW me, nor have YOU been in my home for the last 19 years.

I could have written a novel ...BUT.... Ain't Nobody Got Time For That!
My respect, submission, care, concern, adjustments, tweaking this then that, PRAYERS upon PRAYERS Only GOD knows this clear reality in my life. Not to mention, the abuse my daughters (who i didn't include for their safety!!). Unreal how so many of you ASSUME on this post!
Stop throwing stones and pointing fingers :sigh:.
How bout this for pointing out ...
You forgot to add the next line:
7 You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.
here ya go, you'll hate this one too:
" Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh :idea: with them." Col 3:19
 
  • Like
Reactions: razzelflabben
Upvote 0
May 10, 2018
24
23
65
Mid Atlantic
✟15,919.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And I cant believe either of these two responses. Dont really see how it adds to the discussion.....
They have my back sir! Something you obviously don't understand.
 
Upvote 0
May 10, 2018
24
23
65
Mid Atlantic
✟15,919.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Firstly, this passage is not biblical justification for divorce. This was something the children of Israel did because they had broken a commandment that the Lord told them, which was in Deuteronomy 7:1-3, which says, "When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Caananites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; and when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son."

So you see here that the people were never even supposed to marry foreign women anyway as commanded by the Lord; so, in order to return to the Lord's will, Ezra commanded the people to put them away from them. That is the only reason why the people divorced their wives: because they were commanded not to be married in the first place.

Secondly, the passage in Matthew 19:7-9 says, "They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

We know that simply divorcing without remarrying is adultery based on a similar passage that Jesus taught in Matthew 5:31 which says, "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

You cannot and will not find justification for divorce in the Bible that allows for one to remain blameless before the Lord, unless it's for the cause of the other committing fornication (which must have happened prior to marriage). The Lord simply hates divorce, period.

And by the way, it's not me judging her - I'm not saying that the situation she's in isn't difficult, or that I wouldn't want out either. However, I am only giving her the truth based upon scripture as to what the most godly thing to do is - and that is to stay married. But if she cannot, that is up to her and she alone will answer to God for it. That's not me judging her, that's me simply telling her the truth BASED upon the judgements of God through scripture.


And there are steps to take before divorce is ever in question AGAIN assumptions on the part of so many here!
Who can argue with the fact thatI have done everything NOW ....
I am doing him a favor by removing temptation from his vicinity . . . the temptation to abuse me.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

RaymondG

Well-Known Member
Nov 15, 2016
8,545
3,816
USA
✟268,974.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
They have my back sir! Something you obviously don't understand.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend....but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Maybe you should take time to consider that your true friends are the ones who say the things you do not want to hear......(not talking about any specific advice here)...

When you want truth, you will consider those who agree with you just as much as those who dont. It seems that you only want advise from and you respect only those who agree with you and give words that sound good to your ears.

And if that is what you want....I see nothing wrong with it. I find nothing negative about your posts and see no wrong in any choice you have made or decide to make.
 
Upvote 0