The logic of hell.

There are pathological liars who make up crazy stories, claiming they speak foreign languages or have special knowledge on stuff, and they often show themselves to be liars.

Muslims are reasonably deceived. They were raised on Islam, many didnt have christian friends, but since they are adults, they aren't victims. But they are reasonably deceived. The Quran has stories of horrible violence, but to secular standards, so is numbers 31, and christians just have faith its true.

It is very hard to accept they arent victims-if the christian people i know was raised in Albania or Afghanistan and not this american christian enviornment, and didnt have christian friends, they would live my life believing in Mohammad and would one day open their eyes in the torments of hell for rejecting Christ.

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RoadtoJericho said:

Very true.

We have a lot of deceived folks here in the UK.

And yes, Christ warns us against false prophets and false teachings.

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How are unevangelized muslims adults not unlucky? They dont question for the same reason people born into Christian homes dont question Numbers 31? What makes Moses saying to kill all the male children different from the slaughter of the Banu Quarzya (other than you can prove the Bible is true)?

RoadtoJericho said:

They are not unlucky because they will be judged differently if they haven't received the gospel. Death and violence are prominent within the Old Testament, but this is down to the curse of sin, from which we have been liberated from through Jesus offering himself as a sacrificial lamb.

There is a clear difference between the gospel of Christ and Muhammed. One was a Prince of Peace, and the other was a Warlord. The difference is that we don't look to emulate Moses, but instead look to Christ to overcome the curse of sin.

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So it goes beyond strict liability?

RoadtoJericho said:

They are not unlucky because they will be judged differently if they haven't received the gospel. Death and violence are prominent within the Old Testament, but this is down to the curse of sin, from which we have been liberated from through Jesus offering himself as a sacrificial lamb.

There is a clear difference between the gospel of Christ and Muhammed. One was a Prince of Peace, and the other was a Warlord. The difference is that we don't look to emulate Moses, but instead look to Christ to overcome the curse of sin.

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Did God want all the midianite boys killed for their mother's sin?

Thinking of this subject made me upset before. Salvation isn't about luck because adults can question, but those adults don't have the type of possibility of salvation like a person who is being prayed for does, and they dont question their faith for the same reason people born into Christian homes dont question it-its what they are exposed to and they are taught doubting is a sin.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Just as other nations, some of them seek the Creator, and have been saved.
Anyone from any nation, who seeks the Creator and keeps seeking Him will find Him.
This is the Promise He Gives, and He always Honors His Word, and Keeps All of His Promises.

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What does seeking the Creator mean? Muslims and Sikhs pray.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

First, how many Eternal Life-giving Creators are there ?

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I'm talking about Muslims being liable for not questioning the Koran's violence. I am not defending Islam, its a guaranteed false religion.


What makes Muslims accepting that from Christians accepting a prophet who said to kill all the boys and keep the virgins alive?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

In the Bible this same sort of thing is sometimes "the blind leading the blind" (no matter what if any faith including 'Christian') , and they both fall into the pit (destruction) (not saved).
"Test everything" includes what any person is raised around, Christian or other .

What is false ('Christian' or other) does not pass the testing (of prayer, faith and mainly of Scripture AND of the Spirit of Yahweh(God).
What is TRUTH (True to the Bible Christianity), passes all the testing with no fear nor doubt, as Scripture says clearly, without any subtlety.

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Answering Muslims: Muhammad and the Torture of Kinana ibn al-Rabi

What from a non christian POV, makes numbers 31 any better than that?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Your sentences / question doesn't seem to answer the question "How Many Eternal Life-Giving Creators are there ? "

I am not asking what the muslims or other religions think at this point - that doesn't matter at this point and does not address the question.

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They believe in an Eternal Life-Giving Creator too.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

From an unregenerate POV it only matters if they are seeking the One True Life-Giving Creator. If they remain lost in darkness and sin and trespasses, their POV is the world's POV, or the enemy's POV, carnal, and without power to save anyone.
If they seek and keep seeking the One True Life-Giving Creator, they will find out the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will set them FREE from all deception and lies and destruction.

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How is praying a salvation prayer seeking God?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

From an unregenerate POV it only matters if they are seeking the One True Life-Giving Creator. If they remain lost in darkness and sin and trespasses, their POV is the world's POV, or the enemy's POV, carnal, and without power to save anyone.
If they seek and keep seeking the One True Life-Giving Creator, they will find out the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will set them FREE from all deception and lies and destruction.

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So they are judged for not seeking God, not for not questioning stuff that is practically similar to what Christians believe? Quran violence and some OT violence like numbers 31 by conventional standards is both unacceptable to a moral person.

I even question God over how people born into other homes arent unlucky.