Only (3) States Approved Same Sex Marriage By Majority (Popular Vote)

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God institued marriage is between a Man And Woman, this applies to all humans and civil government whether they accept it or not.
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And yes, God judges all the nations, and each individual. However, do you think it will help them in that judgment more if you convince them to follow Christ or try to compel them to do something?
 
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Given that I have already stated that I do not agree with homosexual marriage, that is incorrect. And since I linked you to many posts where I argued against homosexual practice from the Scriptures for literally pages your statement makes no sense.

However, we are not to judge those outside the church. God does that when He comes.

You have still not responded to the Scripture I posted. Is there a reason you have not?

I Corin 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person
Christians are instructed to Judge the fruits of a person Matthew 7:13-20, God's written word has already judged and condemned homosexuality and those who practice it Romans 1:24-32, 2 Peter 2:6, the Christian is to preach and teach this truth 2 Timothy 4:2.

Matthew 7:13-20KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


2 Timothy 4:2KJV
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.


2 Peter 2 :6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;


Romans 1:24-32 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them
 
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Then God should have filed an amicus brief when Obergefell v. Hodges was being argued. He did not.

There are seven other approved marriages in the bible, other than the one between one man and one woman, but we never hear about those other marriages, do we? I think that's because those other biblical mandated marriages don't fit into their narrative to condemn homosexuals. I think it's rather amusing how these Christians cherrypick Old Testament laws and ignore the ones that don't suit them or don't support their narrative of a biblical marriage. But if you talk about adultery, they all clam up.
 
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With all these scriptures being tossed around in this thread and in the other 8 or 9 threads very similar to it, I've become more and more relieved that America isn't a Christian theocracy and that whatever scriptures or biblical mandates that are being thrown out in these threads have no place whatsoever in this country's federal secular government. I'm also relieved that the First Amendment makes it perfectly clear that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, such as evangelical Christianity. I shudder to think of the massive decline of freedom and liberties for LGBT (and other marginalized people) and non-Christians living in America if this country ever fell into the grasp of a extreme evangelical right wing Christian theocracy regime. It would be literally disastrous.
Not to mention all of the other Christian denominations which would go under the bus as well.
 
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Christians are instructed to Judge the fruits of a person, God's written word has already judged and condemned homosexuality and those who practice it.

Matthew 7:13-20KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Did you read the text you posted? That was speaking of false prophets. False prophets claim to be brothers, IE, claim to be Christians. Of course you must judge those who claim to be prophets, but have no fruit. But you still have not responded to the text that says not to judge those outside the church.

I will give you another opportunity:

I Corin 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person
 
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God's written word has already judged and condemned homosexuality and those who practice it Romans 1:24-32, 2 Peter 2:6, the Christian is to preach and teach this truth.

And God's written word also says that those who practice it may repent and be washed and cleansed. And that is why you don't judge those outside the church but care for them and show them the love of Christ:


9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 
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And God's written word also says that those who practice it may repent and be washed and cleansed. And that is why you don't judge those outside the church but care for them and show them the love of Christ:


9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
You read a different bible than I do, faith comes by hearing the word of God, all of it.

The believer is instructed to preach and teach this word, reprove, rebuke, instruct.
God's word is powerful, sharper than a two edged sword.

And don't forget, its not ok for homosexuals to marry as you stated, as Matthew 19:4-6KJV applies to all humans in the world, including homosexuals.

Secular government has the obligation to follow God's natural law of marriage, as history shows, whether the homosexual accepts this or not.

I have no further comment, it's all yours.

Matthew 19:4-6KJV
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Romans 10:17KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

2 Timothy 4:2KJV
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Hebrews 4:12KJV
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
 
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You read a different bible than I do,



Does your Bible not have I Corinthians in it?

I quoted from 5 regarding judging those outside the church. You still have not addressed it. And of course I quoted from 6 showing that people can be cleansed, including from homosexuality.

Here is the text again to respond to:

5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person


faith comes by hearing the word of God, all of it.

The believer is instructed to preach and teach this word, reprove, rebuke, instruct.
God's word is powerful, sharper than a two edged sword.

And don't forget, its not ok for homosexuals to marry as you stated, as Matthew 19:4-6KJV applies to all humans in the world, including homosexuals.

Why do you object to explaining what is meant by I Cor 5 then?

And note, I did not say it is OK for homosexuals to marry. I said that secular governments would have little reason to think it is wrong because they have no regard for God at all.
 
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I Never stated "Man And Woman" was identified in the US Constitution , a false claim :scratch:

I request that you supply this statement and refrenced place found, that you will not find.

“as their constitutions state "Man And Woman"”...

Why lie...?
 
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Polls are "Fake News" I don't care what you post, as all polls had Hillary Clinton winning the presidency.

"Fake News"

CNN

Poll: Most see a Hillary Clinton victory and a fair count ahead
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 1:17 PM EDT, Tue October 25, 2016

(CNN)Almost 7 in 10 voters nationwide say they think Hillary Clinton will win the presidency next month, but most say that if that happens, Donald Trump will not accept the results and concede, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

LaTimes, Nov. 8, 2016, 7:40 a.m.

SurveyMonkey has polled more than 1 million Americans over the last 11 months, providing a pool of data that is bigger than any previous effort. Its final poll sits at the high end of what it has found for the year, showing Clinton leading Trump 47% to 41%, with 6% for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee, and 3% for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Overall, SurveyMonkey estimates Clinton's chances of winning at 96%.

Oh, I’m sure you “don’t care” about the facts....you’ve made it abundantly clear that the only thing to consider is what you have been fed....
 
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Oh, I’m sure you “don’t care” about the facts....you’ve made it abundantly clear that the only thing to consider is what you have been fed....
You don't think the articles and polls below were fake news?

CNN posted the Monkey with Hillary having a 96% chance of winning?

Thats about as fake news as you can get!

CNN

Poll: Most see a Hillary Clinton victory and a fair count ahead
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 1:17 PM EDT, Tue October 25, 2016

(CNN)Almost 7 in 10 voters nationwide say they think Hillary Clinton will win the presidency next month, but most say that if that happens, Donald Trump will not accept the results and concede, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

LaTimes, Nov. 8, 2016, 7:40 a.m.

SurveyMonkey has polled more than 1 million Americans over the last 11 months, providing a pool of data that is bigger than any previous effort. Its final poll sits at the high end of what it has found for the year, showing Clinton leading Trump 47% to 41%, with 6% for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee, and 3% for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Overall, SurveyMonkey estimates Clinton's chances of winning at 96%.
 
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You don't think the articles and polls below were fake news?

CNN

Poll: Most see a Hillary Clinton victory and a fair count ahead
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 1:17 PM EDT, Tue October 25, 2016

(CNN)Almost 7 in 10 voters nationwide say they think Hillary Clinton will win the presidency next month, but most say that if that happens, Donald Trump will not accept the results and concede, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

LaTimes, Nov. 8, 2016, 7:40 a.m.

SurveyMonkey has polled more than 1 million Americans over the last 11 months, providing a pool of data that is bigger than any previous effort. Its final poll sits at the high end of what it has found for the year, showing Clinton leading Trump 47% to 41%, with 6% for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee, and 3% for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Overall, SurveyMonkey estimates Clinton's chances of winning at 96%.

No. As I’ve patiently tried to explain (but am rapidly beginning to think is a waste of time), polls demonstrate probabilities, not certainties...

The polls in question showed a likelihood that Ms Clinton would gain a majority of votes. She did.

They also showed a tightening of the numbers and that Trump had a chance of winning the Presidency, however unlikely. He did.

As someone else has pointed out, if one candidate has a 94% chance of winning, it also means that, 6 times out of 100, the underdog will win. This was one of those 6 times....
 
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“as their constitutions state "Man And Woman"”...

Why lie...?
I Never stated "Man And Woman" was identified in the US Constitution , a false claim :scratch:

I request that you supply this statement and refrenced place found, that you will not find.
 
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My question, what would the case be that could allow the Supreme Court to reconsider, and who would bring it?
I thought about that. Suppose a state decided to stop issuing marriage licenses for gay marriages. It could certainly happen.

We'd then get back into the same mess we were in before, except more states would now allow it. So the next Supreme Court case would be full faith and credit on whether states have to honor gay marriages from other states. That actually isn't a slam-dunk. We could definitely get into a situation where most states accept gay marriage but a few don't. Now we'd have major corporations refusing to locate in those states. Lots of cases, lots of conflict. Just the kind of situation some people would want.

I think there's a pretty substantial probability this will happen. I'm convinced the liberal view will triumph in the end, but I don't think it will happen as quickly as some do. I see no reason Trump and a Republican legislature can't be reelected. Between the builtin bias of the Senate towards small states and gerrymandering, Republicans can continue in a majority for some time.
 
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I Never stated "Man And Woman" was identified in the US Constitution , a false claim :scratch:

I request that you supply this statement and refrenced place found, that you will not find.

I never said I approved of same sex marriage either. But you said I did.

Incidentally, you haven't explained I Cor 5 yet:

5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person

 
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I Never stated "Man And Woman" was identified in the US Constitution , a false claim :scratch:

I request that you supply this statement and refrenced place found, that you will not find.

And I didn’t mention US either....I quoted your statement that “man and women” were found in the constitution. So please indicate where those words appear in any constitution of any state or nationally...
 
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Christians are instructed to Judge the fruits of a person....
Not

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

James 4:11-12
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

James 4:12
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 2:1-3
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

What Does the Bible Say About Judging Others? - OpenBible.info
 
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I never said I approved of same sex marriage either. But you said I did.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
 
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That's not how rights work or should work.

In 1958 around 4% of Americans approved of interracial marriage.

In 1968 when the SCOTUS Loving v. Virginia decision overturned state miscegenation laws, around 20% of Americans approved of interracial marriage.

But... to humor your logic for a moment, if same sex marriage were put to a national popular vote today, it would overwhelmingly win.

Leaving aside the fact that morality is not a matter of poll numbers, or that Wikipedia is not a particularly reliable resource that most students are forbidden from using when submitting high school - let alone college - coursework...

...The bottom line reality for the Christian is that interracial marriage was specifically endorsed by God in Numbers, even going so far as to curse those who murmured against it and that homosexuality is always, consistently treated as a sin that results in damnation. So for the Christian to even entertain the concept of "same sex marriage" is a bit absurd.
 
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