Does The 14th Amendment Provide For And Protect Same Sex Marriage?

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Where is “Christ” mentioned in these documents?
I stated God and Christ, as they are mentioned separately.
DECLARATION - GOD THE CREATOR
  • The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
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    hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.​
  • We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The Constitution, Article 7; our Lord can only be the Lord Jesus Christ given the dating was figured to be 1787 years after His birth. The Lord was not the King of England but recognized as the King of all the earth and all its peoples, the Christ.
  • Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth
 
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A bit confused here, aren't "we?" Traditional marriage is not about marrying "within their own...sex").

Indeed -- bit of a typo there. Thank you for pointing it out.
 
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I stated God and Christ, as they are mentioned separately.
DECLARATION - GOD THE CREATOR
  • The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
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    hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.​
  • We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The Constitution, Article 7; our Lord can only be the Lord Jesus Christ given the dating was figured to be 1787 years after His birth. The Lord was not the King of England but recognized as the King of all the earth and all its peoples, the Christ.
  • Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth

Not much of a nail to hang a theocracy on, is it?
 
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The Constitution, Article 7; our Lord can only be the Lord Jesus Christ given the dating was figured to be 1787 years after His birth. The Lord was not the King of England but recognized as the King of all the earth and all its peoples, the Christ.
  • Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth
A common usage of the time, even among Deists and Unitarians.

Yet somehow you think it grants some kind of superior standing to the Christian Right.
 
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George Washington

Judge; Member of the Continental Congress; Commander-In-Chief of the Continental Army; President of the Constitutional Convention; First President of the United States; Father of His Country:


You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are.

While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. to the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.

The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger. The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier, defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.

I now make it my earnest prayer that God would… most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of the mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion.

John Adams

signer of the Declaration of Independence; Judge; Diplomat; One of Two Signers of the Bill of Rights; Second President of the United States:


The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.

Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!

I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.

Dr. Benjamin Rush

signer of the Declaration of Independence; Surgeon General of the Continental Army; Ratifier of the U. S. Constitution; Father of American Medicine; Treasurer of the U. S. Mint; Father of Public Schools Under The Constitution


The Gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations! . . . My only hope of salvation is in the infinite transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the Cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins [Acts 22:16]. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly! [Revelation 22:20]

I do not believe that the Constitution was the offspring of inspiration, but I am as satisfied that it is as much the work of a Divine Providence as any of the miracles recorded in the Old and New Testament.

By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published.

[T]he greatest discoveries in science have been made by Christian philosophers and . . . there is the most knowledge in those countries where there is the most Christianity.

[T]he only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible.

The great enemy of the salvation of man, in my opinion, never invented a more effective means of limiting Christianity from the world than by persuading mankind that it was improper to read the Bible at schools.

[C]hristianity is the only true and perfect religion; and in proportion as mankind adopt its principles and obey its precepts, they will be wise and happy.

The Bible contains more knowledge necessary to man in his present state than any other book in the world.

The Bible, when not read in schools, is seldom read in any subsequent period of life [T]he Bible should be read in our schools in preference to all other books because it contains the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public happiness.

Christian Heritage Fellowship
Which of these documents are the official government founding documents you said referred to Christ?
 
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...if you had been intending to talk about fornication, yes. But this is what was posted, and the claim being made is clearly not about fornication--
I appreciate the clarification. I can freely DJ or bake cakes for fornicators. In fact, the White House chef is on line one. Gotta go.
 
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I stated God and Christ, as they are mentioned separately.
DECLARATION - GOD THE CREATOR
  • The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
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    hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.​
  • We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The Constitution, Article 7; our Lord can only be the Lord Jesus Christ given the dating was figured to be 1787 years after His birth. The Lord was not the King of England but recognized as the King of all the earth and all its peoples, the Christ.
  • Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth
And why would the word Christ not appear in the documents of a Christian nation being founded????
 
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And why would the word Christ not appear in the documents of a Christian nation being founded????
17th day of september in Year Of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, AD After Death, You can continue your antics in denial of presented truth.
 
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And why would the word Christ not appear in the documents of a Christian nation being founded????
Because they knew the citizens of the nation that had broken the yoke of British subjection had a high enough IQ to figure out the 1787 years of our Lord pointed to the birth of Christ.
 
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Everyone used BC and AD. Now are you going to argue that the world was a Christian World, LOL.
Keeping Time: The Origin of B.C. & A.D.
I will argue that the colonies and founding fathers were largely under the convictions of Christianity and the Holy Bible.

The Christian World Used The Definition "Year Of Our Lord" refering to Jesus Christ, just as John has presented to you several times in your denial of this truth.

Wikipedia: Anno Domini
The terms anno Domini (AD) and before Christ (BC) are used to label or number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars.
The term anno Domini is Medieval Latin and means "in the year of the Lord", but is often presented using "our Lord" instead of "the Lord", taken from the full original phrase "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi", which translates to "in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ".
 
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I respect your 1st amendment right sir and swore an oath to defend it, so we are on the same page for your right to disagree with me. Obviously if I didn't believe that I would not have given my oath. However, that said, I don't believe judges should have the power to modify or legislate its meaning to something the founders never intended. This is something Jefferson feared as well. Interpreting the Constitution is one thing redefining it is quite another and, as I stated previously, that is bad whether your ideology is liberal or conservative. For it can be done when the majority of judges are of either persuasion.
Obviously redefining marriage between a man and woman to marriage also being defined as same gender unions was never intended to be part of the 14th amendment. The nation that voted it in would have found that interpretation totally out of its scope and never would have been ratified by the represented States if that was the case. So please show me below where the redefinition of marriage is in the 14th Amendment.


neither was the 14th amendment intended to desegregate schools or protect motorists from illegal searches or the rights of patients and their doctors to make medical decisions without government interference. It was also never intended to be used to allow blacks and whites to marry


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I will argue that the colonies and founding fathers were largely under the convictions of Christianity and the Holy Bible.

The Christian World Used The Definition "Year Of Our Lord" refering to Jesus Christ, just as John has presented to you several times in your denial of this truth.

Wikipedia: Anno Domini
The terms anno Domini (AD) and before Christ (BC) are used to label or number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars.
The term anno Domini is Medieval Latin and means "in the year of the Lord", but is often presented using "our Lord" instead of "the Lord", taken from the full original phrase "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi", which translates to "in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ".
And that relates to the present discussion exactly how? Those Christian founding fathers belonged to denominations which the modern-day Christian Right regards with open hostility and contempt.
 
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The 14th amendment was not written in original intent in (1868) to provide for "Same Sex Marriage" as the US Supreme Court has ruled it does, (2015) Obergefell v. Hodges.

This amendment was provided for newly freed slaves of the (1865) 13th amendment to ensure citizenship and, Life, Liberty, Property, Equal Protection And Due Process.

(1865) 13th amendment, freedom from slavery
(1868) 14th amendment, to protect freed slaves, as US citizens.

Life=Death Penalty
Liberty=Imprisonment,Detained
Property=Confiscation/Seizure
Equal Protection=Public Lawyer, Due Process

The only way true provision and protection will be seen regarding "Same Sex Marriage" is through a constitutional amendment.

Wikipedia: United States Constitution

The Thirteenth Amendment (1865) abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime, and authorized Congress to enforce abolition. Though millions of slaves had been declared free by the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, their post Civil War status was unclear, as was the status of other millions.[82] Congress intended the Thirteenth Amendment to be a proclamation of freedom for all slaves throughout the nation and to take the question of emancipation away from politics. This amendment rendered inoperative or moot several of the original parts of the constitution.[83]

The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) granted United States citizenship to former slaves and to all persons "subject to U.S. jurisdiction". It also contained three new limits on state power: a state shall not violate a citizen's privileges or immunities; shall not deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; and must guarantee all persons equal protection of the laws.

Wikipedia: Obergefell v Hodges

Dissenting opinions

Chief Justice Roberts

In his dissent, Chief JusticeJohn
Roberts argued same-sex marriage bans did not violate the Constitution.
Chief Justice John Roberts wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas. Roberts accepted substantive due process, by which fundamental rights are protected through the Due Process Clause, but warned it has been misused over time to expand perceived fundamental rights, particularly in Dred Scott v. Sandford and Lochner v. New York.[129] Roberts stated that no prior decision had changed the core component of marriage, that it be between one man and one woman; consequently, same-sex marriage bans did not violate the Due Process Clause.[130] Roberts also rejected the notion that same-sex marriage bans violated a right to privacy, because they involved no government intrusion or subsequent punishment.[131] Addressing the Equal Protection Clause, Roberts stated that same-sex marriage bans did not violate the clause because they were rationally related to a governmental interest: preserving the traditional definition of marriage.[132]

More generally, Roberts stated that marriage, which he proposed had always had a "universal definition" as "the union of a man and a woman", arose to ensure successful childrearing.[133] Roberts criticized the majority opinion for relying on moral convictions rather than a constitutional basis, and for expanding fundamental rights without caution or regard for history.[134] He also suggested the majority opinion could be used to expand marriage to include legalized polygamy.[135] Roberts chided the majority for overriding the democratic process and for using the judiciary in a way that was not originally intended.[136] According to Roberts, supporters of same-sex marriage cannot win "true acceptance" for their side because the debate has now been closed.[137] Roberts also suggested the majority's opinion will ultimately lead to consequences for religious liberty, and he found the Court's language unfairly attacks opponents of same-sex marriage.[138]

Justice Scalia
Justice Antonin Scalia wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justice Thomas. Scalia stated that the Court's decision effectively robs the people of "the freedom to govern themselves", noting that a rigorous debate on same-sex marriage had been taking place and that, by deciding the issue nationwide, the democratic process had been unduly halted.[139] Addressing the claimed Fourteenth Amendment violation, Scalia asserted that, because a same-sex marriage ban would not have been considered unconstitutional at the time of the Fourteenth Amendment's adoption, such bans are not unconstitutional today.[140] He claimed there was "no basis" for the Court's decision striking down legislation that the Fourteenth Amendment does not expressly forbid, and directly attacked the majority opinion for "lacking even a thin veneer of law".[140] Lastly, Scalia faulted the actual writing in the opinion for "diminish[ing] this Court’s reputation for clear thinking and sober analysis" and for "descend[ing] from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."[141]

Justice Thomas
Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a dissent rejecting substantive due process.
Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justice Scalia. Thomas rejected the principle of substantive due process, which he claimed "invites judges to do exactly what the majority has done here—roa[m] at large in the constitutional field guided only by their personal views as to the fundamental rights protected by that document"; in doing so, the judiciary strays from the Constitution's text, subverts the democratic process, and "exalts judges at the expense of the People from whom they derive their authority."[142] Thomas argued that the only liberty that falls under Due Process Clause protection is freedom from "physical restraint".[143] Furthermore, Thomas insisted that "liberty has long been understood as individual freedom from governmental action, not as a right to a particular governmental entitlement" such as a marriage license.[144]According to Thomas, the majority's holding also undermines the political process and threatens religious liberty.[145] Lastly, Thomas took issue with the majority's view that marriage advances the dignity of same-sex couples. In his view, government is not capable of bestowing dignity; rather, dignity is a natural right that is innate within every person, a right that cannot be taken away even through slavery and internment camps.[146]

Justice Alito
Justice Samuel Alito wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas. Invoking Washington v. Glucksberg, in which the Court stated the Due Process Clause protects only rights and liberties that are "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition", Alito claimed any "right" to same-sex marriage would not meet this definition; he chided the justices in the majority for going against judicial precedent and long-held tradition.[147] Alito defended the rationale of the states, accepting the premise that same-sex marriage bans serve to promote procreation and the optimal childrearing environment.[148] Alito expressed concern that the majority's opinion would be used to attack the beliefs of those who disagree with same-sex marriage, who "will risk being labeled as bigots and treated as such by governments, employers, and schools", leading to "bitter and lasting wounds".[149] Expressing concern for judicial abuse, Alito concluded, "Most Americans—understandably—will cheer or lament today’s decision because of their views on the issue of same-sex marriage. But all Americans, whatever their thinking on that issue, should worry about what the majority’s claim of power portends

This amendment was provided for newly freed slaves of the (1865) 13th amendment to ensure citizenship and, Life, Liberty, Property, Equal Protection And Due Process.

This was a goal of the amendment. To achieve this goal, the amendment was written broadly enough to include not just former slaves but all persons within the jurisdiction of any state. Hence, the 14th Amendment says, "No person..." So, the protections of the 14th Amendment are applicable to ALL people within the jurisdiction of the state.

First, a brief history. The 14h Amendment was understood by the drafters to include rights the people enjoyed under the U.S. Constitution. "They were intended by the framers of the Fourteenth to extend the jurisdiction and protection of federal courts to all rights recognized by the Constitution and Bill of Rights against actions by state government." http://www.constitution.org/col/intent_14th.htm

The rights of the people under the Constitution went beyond those enumerated in the first 8 amendments of the Bill of Rights. It is important to remember the Constitution was seen as protecting the rights and liberties of the people by specifically enumerating the powers of the federal government. Since the powers of the federal government did not include the rights of the people, then the rights of the people were secure since the government was given no authority over those rights.

Hence, the Federalists rejected the necessity of a list of enumerated rights, arguing the rights of the people were secure by virtue of the fact the Constitution vested no power to the federal government in relation to the rights of the people. The Anti-Federalist demanded a list of rights, asserting a better way to secure the rights of the people is to list them. The Federalist countered that a list of rights of the people was impossible, the people quite simply possessed too many rights and liberties to enumerate. The Federalist argued any rights not specifically enumerated, whereas others were, would imply those rights not enumerated were not secure from government regulation.

So, James Madison developed a compromise. He proposed a Bill of Rights in which some of the rights of the people were specifically mentioned. However, to ensure protection of those rights not enumerated, he drafted language later to become the 9th Amendment. "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

One such right not enumerated but protected by the dictates of the 9th Amendment is the liberty and freedom to marry. The liberty and freedom to marry enjoyed by people was a liberty interest the drafters of the 14th Amendment sought to impose upon the states. The drafters of the 14th Amendment envisioned the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the 14th Amendment as incorporating those rights onto the states. However, the Court chose the 14th Amendment Due Process Clause as the venue.

From this perspective, the liberty to marry was incorporated onto the states by the 14th Amendment. The liberty to marry was a right recognized in the common law and under state law. The liberty to marry was perceived as a natural right.

The only way true provision and protection will be seen regarding "Same Sex Marriage" is through a constitutional amendment.

This is not true if the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment prohibited arbitrary laws infringing upon liberty. The Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment says, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." See Randy Barnett's paper I linked to regarding arbitrary infringement on liberty.

 
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And that relates to the present discussion exactly how? Those Christian founding fathers belonged to denominations which the modern-day Christian Right regards with open hostility and contempt.
The Christian World Used The Definition "Year Of Our Lord" refering to Jesus Christ, just as John has presented to you several times in your denial of this truth.

Wikipedia: Anno Domini
The terms anno Domini (AD) and before Christ (BC) are used to label or number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars.
The term anno Domini is Medieval Latin and means "in the year of the Lord", but is often presented using "our Lord" instead of "the Lord", taken from the full original phrase "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi", which translates to "in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ".
 
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This was a goal of the amendment. To achieve this goal, the amendment was written broadly enough to include not just former slaves but all persons within the jurisdiction of any state. Hence, the 14th Amendment says, "No person..." So, the protections of the 14th Amendment are applicable to ALL people within the jurisdiction of the state.

First, a brief history. The 14h Amendment was understood by the drafters to include rights the people enjoyed under the U.S. Constitution. "They were intended by the framers of the Fourteenth to extend the jurisdiction and protection of federal courts to all rights recognized by the Constitution and Bill of Rights against actions by state government." http://www.constitution.org/col/intent_14th.htm

The rights of the people under the Constitution went beyond those enumerated in the first 8 amendments of the Bill of Rights. It is important to remember the Constitution was seen as protecting the rights and liberties of the people by specifically enumerating the powers of the federal government. Since the powers of the federal government did not include the rights of the people, then the rights of the people were secure since the government was given no authority over those rights.

Hence, the Federalists rejected the necessity of a list of enumerated rights, arguing the rights of the people were secure by virtue of the fact the Constitution vested no power to the federal government in relation to the rights of the people. The Anti-Federalist demanded a list of rights, asserting a better way to secure the rights of the people is to list them. The Federalist countered that a list of rights of the people was impossible, the people quite simply possessed too many rights and liberties to enumerate. The Federalist argued any rights not specifically enumerated, whereas others were, would imply those rights not enumerated were not secure from government regulation.

So, James Madison developed a compromise. He proposed a Bill of Rights in which some of the rights of the people were specifically mentioned. However, to ensure protection of those rights not enumerated, he drafted language later to become the 9th Amendment. "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

One such right not enumerated but protected by the dictates of the 9th Amendment is the liberty and freedom to marry. The liberty and freedom to marry enjoyed by people was a liberty interest the drafters of the 14th Amendment sought to impose upon the states. The drafters of the 14th Amendment envisioned the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the 14th Amendment as incorporating those rights onto the states. However, the Court chose the 14th Amendment Due Process Clause as the venue.

From this perspective, the liberty to marry was incorporated onto the states by the 14th Amendment. The liberty to marry was a right recognized in the common law and under state law. The liberty to marry was perceived as a natural right.



This is not true if the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment prohibited arbitrary laws infringing upon liberty. The Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment says, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." See Randy Barnett's paper I linked to regarding arbitrary infringement on liberty.
I disagree, try reading the Supreme Courts dissenting opinions, the interpretation of "Original Intent" will soon reverse Obergefell v Hodges

The 14th amendment was not written in original intent in (1868) to provide for "Same Sex Marriage" as the US Supreme Court has ruled it does, (2015) Obergefell v. Hodges.

This amendment was provided for newly freed slaves of the (1865) 13th amendment to ensure citizenship and, Life, Liberty, Property, Equal Protection And Due Process.

(1865) 13th amendment, freedom from slavery
(1868) 14th amendment, to protect freed slaves, as US citizens.

Life=Death Penalty
Liberty=Imprisonment,Detained
Property=Confiscation/Seizure
Equal Protection=Public Lawyer, Due Process

The only way true provision and protection will be seen regarding "Same Sex Marriage" is through a constitutional amendment.

Wikipedia: United States Constitution

The Thirteenth Amendment (1865) abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime, and authorized Congress to enforce abolition. Though millions of slaves had been declared free by the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, their post Civil War status was unclear, as was the status of other millions.[82] Congress intended the Thirteenth Amendment to be a proclamation of freedom for all slaves throughout the nation and to take the question of emancipation away from politics. This amendment rendered inoperative or moot several of the original parts of the constitution.[83]

The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) granted United States citizenship to former slaves and to all persons "subject to U.S. jurisdiction". It also contained three new limits on state power: a state shall not violate a citizen's privileges or immunities; shall not deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; and must guarantee all persons equal protection of the laws.

Wikipedia: Obergefell v Hodges

Dissenting opinions

Chief Justice Roberts

In his dissent, Chief JusticeJohn
Roberts argued same-sex marriage bans did not violate the Constitution.
Chief Justice John Roberts wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas. Roberts accepted substantive due process, by which fundamental rights are protected through the Due Process Clause, but warned it has been misused over time to expand perceived fundamental rights, particularly in Dred Scott v. Sandford and Lochner v. New York.[129] Roberts stated that no prior decision had changed the core component of marriage, that it be between one man and one woman; consequently, same-sex marriage bans did not violate the Due Process Clause.[130] Roberts also rejected the notion that same-sex marriage bans violated a right to privacy, because they involved no government intrusion or subsequent punishment.[131] Addressing the Equal Protection Clause, Roberts stated that same-sex marriage bans did not violate the clause because they were rationally related to a governmental interest: preserving the traditional definition of marriage.[132]

More generally, Roberts stated that marriage, which he proposed had always had a "universal definition" as "the union of a man and a woman", arose to ensure successful childrearing.[133] Roberts criticized the majority opinion for relying on moral convictions rather than a constitutional basis, and for expanding fundamental rights without caution or regard for history.[134] He also suggested the majority opinion could be used to expand marriage to include legalized polygamy.[135] Roberts chided the majority for overriding the democratic process and for using the judiciary in a way that was not originally intended.[136] According to Roberts, supporters of same-sex marriage cannot win "true acceptance" for their side because the debate has now been closed.[137] Roberts also suggested the majority's opinion will ultimately lead to consequences for religious liberty, and he found the Court's language unfairly attacks opponents of same-sex marriage.[138]

Justice Scalia
Justice Antonin Scalia wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justice Thomas. Scalia stated that the Court's decision effectively robs the people of "the freedom to govern themselves", noting that a rigorous debate on same-sex marriage had been taking place and that, by deciding the issue nationwide, the democratic process had been unduly halted.[139] Addressing the claimed Fourteenth Amendment violation, Scalia asserted that, because a same-sex marriage ban would not have been considered unconstitutional at the time of the Fourteenth Amendment's adoption, such bans are not unconstitutional today.[140] He claimed there was "no basis" for the Court's decision striking down legislation that the Fourteenth Amendment does not expressly forbid, and directly attacked the majority opinion for "lacking even a thin veneer of law".[140] Lastly, Scalia faulted the actual writing in the opinion for "diminish[ing] this Court’s reputation for clear thinking and sober analysis" and for "descend[ing] from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."[141]

Justice Thomas
Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a dissent rejecting substantive due process.
Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justice Scalia. Thomas rejected the principle of substantive due process, which he claimed "invites judges to do exactly what the majority has done here—roa[m] at large in the constitutional field guided only by their personal views as to the fundamental rights protected by that document"; in doing so, the judiciary strays from the Constitution's text, subverts the democratic process, and "exalts judges at the expense of the People from whom they derive their authority."[142] Thomas argued that the only liberty that falls under Due Process Clause protection is freedom from "physical restraint".[143] Furthermore, Thomas insisted that "liberty has long been understood as individual freedom from governmental action, not as a right to a particular governmental entitlement" such as a marriage license.[144]According to Thomas, the majority's holding also undermines the political process and threatens religious liberty.[145] Lastly, Thomas took issue with the majority's view that marriage advances the dignity of same-sex couples. In his view, government is not capable of bestowing dignity; rather, dignity is a natural right that is innate within every person, a right that cannot be taken away even through slavery and internment camps.[146]

Justice Alito
Justice Samuel Alito wrote a dissenting opinion, which was joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas. Invoking Washington v. Glucksberg, in which the Court stated the Due Process Clause protects only rights and liberties that are "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition", Alito claimed any "right" to same-sex marriage would not meet this definition; he chided the justices in the majority for going against judicial precedent and long-held tradition.[147] Alito defended the rationale of the states, accepting the premise that same-sex marriage bans serve to promote procreation and the optimal childrearing environment.[148] Alito expressed concern that the majority's opinion would be used to attack the beliefs of those who disagree with same-sex marriage, who "will risk being labeled as bigots and treated as such by governments, employers, and schools", leading to "bitter and lasting wounds".[149] Expressing concern for judicial abuse, Alito concluded, "Most Americans—understandably—will cheer or lament today’s decision because of their views on the issue of same-sex marriage. But all Americans, whatever their thinking on that issue, should worry about what the majority’s claim of power portends
 
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I certainly do not believe that the United States was founded to be a secular republic and those words are found no where in our founding documents, whereas references to God and Christ are found both in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. Our government was forged by people seeking religious freedom. Most Civil meeting places were originally Churches. They intended religion to be an intrinsic part of their identity as we the people. The debate over whether to declare ourselves a Christian nation was part of the fabric of Constitutional debate and it was non-interference with religious liberties which won the day relative to the 1st Amendment. Benjamin Franklin was the first to advocate for prayer during the Constitutional Convention and today we still pray in Congress, print money that says in God We Trust, Pledge allegiance to One Nation Under God, Have a National Anthem which praises God who made us a nation, Still has a National Day of Thanksgiving to God as a holiday, etc, etc, ect. So this idea we were a secular nation likened to the French Revolution which attempted to impose secularism on their own country is sheer nonsense.

What you say is true, the historical evidence does not suggest the framers, ratifies, and founding generation understood a "wall of separation" between religion and the government. Those historical facts you reference demonstrate there was not a "wall of separation" enshrined into the Establishment Clause of the 14th Amendment. See Marsh v. Chambers, and also Scalia's dissent listing the historical examples in McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union of Ky, MCCREARY COUNTY V. AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIESUNION OF KY.

Some of those examples you reference were justified by some framers and founders, such as Madison, as generally permissible because they were merely religious nature. Madison opined, in defending his National Day of Prayer, that the proclamation was religious in nature, religiously neutral and general, as opposed referencing or citing to any specific religion.

Yet, despite that historical evidence, the framers most certainly disfavored laws benefitting religion, benefitting specific religions over others, discriminating against religious people/religions, discriminating against non-religious people, etcetera. The framers and drafters also disfavored any rights and liberty interests infringed upon, or limited in applicability, because of, or on the basis of religion.
 
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I will argue that the colonies and founding fathers were largely under the convictions of Christianity and the Holy Bible.

The Christian World Used The Definition "Year Of Our Lord" refering to Jesus Christ, just as John has presented to you several times in your denial of this truth.

Wikipedia: Anno Domini
The terms anno Domini (AD) and before Christ (BC) are used to label or number years in the Julian and Gregorian calendars.
The term anno Domini is Medieval Latin and means "in the year of the Lord", but is often presented using "our Lord" instead of "the Lord", taken from the full original phrase "anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi", which translates to "in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ".
And was used the for the same purpose as a.m and p.m.....expression of measurement of time.
 
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