Only (3) States Approved Same Sex Marriage By Majority (Popular Vote)

Truth7t7 · May 9, 2018

Allandavid said:
So you lied when you said “man and woman” was part of the constitution...?

I Never stated "Man And Woman" was identified in the US Constitution , a false claim :scratch:

I request that you supply this statement and refrenced place found, that you will not find.

Truth7t7 · May 9, 2018

Allandavid said:
Nope, sorry......it’s not my opinion, it’s what YOUR countrymen say....

Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage

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U.S. Support for Gay Marriage Edges to New High

A record percentage of Americans supports gay marriage, new poll finds

Polls are "Fake News" I don't care what you post, as all polls had Hillary Clinton winning the presidency.

"Fake News"

CNN

Poll: Most see a Hillary Clinton victory and a fair count ahead
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Updated 1:17 PM EDT, Tue October 25, 2016

(CNN)Almost 7 in 10 voters nationwide say they think Hillary Clinton will win the presidency next month, but most say that if that happens, Donald Trump will not accept the results and concede, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

LaTimes, Nov. 8, 2016, 7:40 a.m.

SurveyMonkey has polled more than 1 million Americans over the last 11 months, providing a pool of data that is bigger than any previous effort. Its final poll sits at the high end of what it has found for the year, showing Clinton leading Trump 47% to 41%, with 6% for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee, and 3% for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Overall, SurveyMonkey estimates Clinton's chances of winning at 96%.

TLK Valentine · May 9, 2018

Nicholas Deka said:
Tom and Sally both love Jim and want to marry him. Sally can marry him because she's a woman, Tom cannot marry him because he's a man. Sounds like textbook gender discrimination to me. No need to even think about discrimination based on sexual orientation.

It is, and I raised that issue once upon a time, as did Justice Roberts, of all people, during oral arguments.... surprisingly, this issue never made it into the the final SCOTUS decision, as they preferred a simple 14th Amendment solution.

TLK Valentine · May 9, 2018

Just think about all the things we wouldn't have today if we relied solely on the "popular vote."

Skreeper · May 9, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Overall, SurveyMonkey estimates Clinton's chances of winning at 96%.

I don't see the problem. They didn't say the chances of Clinton winning is 100%. There was a 4% chance of Trump winning and we were unfortunate enough to hit that 4%.

TLK Valentine · May 9, 2018

Skreeper said:
I don't see the problem. They didn't say the chances of Clinton winning is 100%. There was a 4% chance of Trump winning and we were unfortunate enough to hit that 4%.

...and that's assuming Mueller's investigation comes up empty.

Hank77 · May 9, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Thats your opinion 60% or that of a biased poll and has nothing to do with the facts presented in a 52/47% voting to "Ban Same Sex Marriage", as their voices were silenced by a "Biased Homosexual Judge"

Same Sex Marriage Has Been Pushed Upon America Against Their Will.
Just one example, when the court is in a 5/4 conservative majority, the States below coud re-enact their marriage bans, as their constitutions state "Man And Woman" and not sell marriage liscenses.

Any county in "Any State" that currently sells marriages liscenses could refuse based upon marriage is "Historically" defined between a Man And Woman and not sell same sexes liscenses

See the cases are assigned to conservative Judges In the lower State And Federal Courts, All The Way To SCOTUS

Obergefell v Hodges will be challenged, as soon as the 5/4 majority is in place.

(13) States with Same-Sex Marriage Bans Prior to the June 26, 2015 Supreme Court Ruling As Seen Below.

12 by Constitutional Amendment and State Law
Arkansas (2004, 1997), Georgia (2004, 1996), Kentucky (2004, 1998), Louisiana (2004, 1999), Michigan (2004, 1996), Mississippi (2004, 1997), Missouri (2004, 1996), North Dakota (2004, 1997), Ohio (2004, 2004), South Dakota (2006, 1996), Tennessee (2006, 1996), Texas (2005, 1997)

1 by Constitutional Amendment only
Nebraska (2000)

There were other states that also had bans on ssm and had State Constitutional Amendments, such as Utah and Colorado. When they tried to enforce those bans the US District Court of Appeals stepped in and overruled them, declaring them unconstitutional, and the SCOTUS refused to hear the case. This is what happened with the 10th District, effecting Utah, Colorado, most of Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, and Wyoming.

Truth7t7 · May 9, 2018

Hank77 said:
There were other states that also had bans on ssm and had State Constitutional Amendments, such as Utah and Colorado. When they tried to enforce those bans the US District Court of Appeals stepped in and overruled them, declaring them unconstitutional, and the SCOTUS refused to hear the case. This is what happened with the 10th District, effecting Utah, Colorado, most of Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, and Wyoming.

I agree 100%, and to top it off, Federal Judge and Homosexual Vaughn R.Walker in California declared prop 8 unconstitional, as many have claimed a conflict of interest kn 2010 in the prop 8 case, that I agree with.

Quote, Judge Vaughn Walker On Homosexual Witness Ryan Kendall Testimony below.

It was "the most touching testimony at trial,"

He finally came out in 2011 after retirement, 100% biased in my opinion.

He has written a book that shows personal sympathy and identification with the homosexual witnesses in the case.

SCOTUS Justice Alito has commented and cited this act that many leading lawyers and justices believe it was a blatant conflict, and he should not been a part of hearing the case.

Just as Muller in the current Trump investigation, and his relationship to Comey, a 100% partisian Democratic investigation, really :scratch:

tall73 · May 9, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Same Sex Marriage Will Be Reversed In A Soon To Be Conservative US Supreme Court, The Battle Will Continue.

Please consider the following Scripture:

I Corinthians 5:
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Churches would be a lot better off if we focused on living sincere Christian lives and sharing Christ, not worrying about what the government is doing.

The role of the government is a moral one, but since Peter and Paul both wrote to submit to the government when that meant at the time submitting to Nero, we should never think the government will be perfect.

Someone who is not in Christ would have no reason to live as a Christian, and no interest. So trying to shape laws for that purpose is getting things backwards. If you want people to live as Christians then share Christ with them. If they accept Him as Lord then they will follow Him. If not, how could they follow Him, and why would they?

In the meantime as secular government has little reason to deny marriage to consenting adults.

Truth7t7 · May 9, 2018

tall73 said:
Please consider the following Scripture:

I Corinthians 5:
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Churches would be a lot better off if we focused on living sincere Christian lives and sharing Christ, not worrying about what the government is doing.

The role of the government is a moral one, but since Peter and Paul both wrote to submit to the government when that meant at the time submitting to Nero, we should never think the government will be perfect.

Someone who is not in Christ would have no reason to live as a Christian, and no interest. So trying to shape laws for that purpose is getting things backwards. If you want people to live as Christians then share Christ with them. If they accept Him as Lord then they will follow Him. If not, how could they follow Him, and why would they?

In the meantime as secular government has little reason to deny marriage to consenting adults.

You give your long drawn speech on true Christianity, then approve of same sex marriage in closing, real convincing :oldthumbsup:

Quote Tall73:

"In the meantime as secular government has little reason to deny marriage to consenting adults."

2 Peter 2 :6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Romans 1:24-32 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

tall73 · May 9, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
You give your long drawn speech on true Christianity, then approve of same sex marriage in closing, real convincing

Quote Tall73:

"In the meantime as secular government has little reason to deny marriage to consenting adults."

You apparently did not read what I said. Secular governments have little reason...where does that say I am in favor of it?

Are you going to disregard the text of Scripture as "my speech"? Can you respond to what it says?

I Corin 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person

We are to judge those in the church. We are not to judge those outside.

How do you think you can make non-Christians walk in the Spirit and obey Christ? How could they?

tall73 · May 9, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
then approve of same sex marriage in closing, real convincing

For my view on the subject, here is a 352 post discussion on the Bible texts at issue where I point out that homosexuality is still condemned:

Focused discussion, Lev. 18:22

It started focused on the one text and expanded out during the discussion into other texts, including those in the NT.

But if someone has no regard for God and no faith in Christ, they would not structure their life around the Scriptures. So the key to winning them over is to bring them to Christ.

Belk · May 9, 2018

You keep on howling in the wilderness.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · May 9, 2018

That's because to many people like sticking their nose in grown people's lives. IF you don't like gays or lesbians getting married . Don't become gay and get married to the person of the same sex as you. It's really that easy.

Truth7t7 · May 9, 2018

tall73 said:
For my view on the subject, here is a 352 post discussion on the Bible texts at issue where I point out that homosexuality is still condemned:

Focused discussion, Lev. 18:22

It started focused on the one text and expanded out during the discussion into other texts, including those in the NT.

But if someone has no regard for God and no faith in Christ, they would not structure their life around the Scriptures. So the key to winning them over is to bring them to Christ.

You have openly approved homosexual marriage, in defiance of scripture.

God institued marriage is between a Man And Woman, this applies to all humans and civil government whether they accept it or not.

It's a christians responsibility to preach and teach this truth to those who don't believe it, including you.

Quote Tall73, Post #49:

"In the meantime as secular government has little reason to deny marriage to consenting adults."

Matthew 19:4-6KJV
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Shiloh Raven · May 9, 2018

tall73 said:
For my view on the subject, here is a 352 post discussion on the Bible texts at issue where I point out that homosexuality is still condemned:

Focused discussion, Lev. 18:22

It started focused on the one text and expanded out during the discussion into other texts, including those in the NT.

But if someone has no regard for God and no faith in Christ, they would not structure their life around the Scriptures. So the key to winning them over is to bring them to Christ.

With all these scriptures being tossed around in this thread and in the other 8 or 9 threads very similar to it, I've become more and more relieved that America isn't a Christian theocracy and that whatever scriptures or biblical mandates that are being thrown out in these threads have no place whatsoever in this country's federal secular government. I'm also relieved that the First Amendment makes it perfectly clear that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, such as evangelical Christianity. I shudder to think of the massive decline of freedom and liberties for LGBT (and other marginalized people) and non-Christians living in America if this country ever fell into the grasp of a extreme evangelical right wing Christian theocracy regime. It would be literally disastrous.

tall73 · May 9, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
You have openly approved homosexual marriage, in defiance of scripture.

Given that I have already stated that I do not agree with homosexual marriage, that is incorrect. And since I linked you to many posts where I argued against homosexual practice from the Scriptures for literally pages your statement makes no sense.

However, we are not to judge those outside the church. God does that when He comes.

You have still not responded to the Scripture I posted. Is there a reason you have not?

I Corin 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person

Truth7t7 · May 9, 2018

tall73 said:
Given that I have already stated that I do not agree with homosexual marriage, that is incorrect. And since I linked you to many posts where I argued against homosexual practice from the Scriptures for literally pages your statement makes no sense.

However, we are not to judge those outside the church. God does that when He comes.

You have still not responded to the Scripture I posted. Is there a reason you have not?

I Corin 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person

God institued marriage is between a Man And Woman, this applies to all humans and civil government whether they accept it or not.

It's a christians responsibility to preach and teach this truth to those who don't believe it, including you.

Quote Tall73, Post #49:

"In the meantime as secular government has little reason to deny marriage to consenting adults."

Matthew 19:4-6KJV
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

TLK Valentine · May 9, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
You have openly approved homosexual marriage, in defiance of scripture.

God institued marriage is between a Man And Woman, this applies to all humans and civil government whether they accept it or not.

Then God should have filed an amicus brief when Obergefell v. Hodges was being argued. He did not.

Shiloh Raven · May 9, 2018

TLK Valentine said:
Just think about all the things we wouldn't have today if we relied solely on the "popular vote."

Yeah, we might have a real president, one with actual dignity and honor, in the White House.

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